Thread: La Raza on Immigration reform

Be advised this is translated from Spanish and might not completely make sense.

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Residents in the migratory reform

By Life in the Valley

(Published Wednesday, October, 26, 2005 11:1ÄM)

Life in the Valley made a survey to people in the Valley of San Joaquin on its opinions of the several proposals of immigration in the American congress. The question was: ' the undocumented residents must pay a fine to participate in the program of working guests? or, the congress would be better with an amnesty program? Why if '? or why no?
Life in the Valley surveyed San Joaquin Valley residents about to their thoughts on immigration reform proposals in Congress. The question was: Should undocumented residents pay to fine to participate in a guest to worker program or would Congress be to better off with an amnesty program? Why or why not?

Freddy To Boza: "First we would have to identify what type of undocumented people we are speaking, because, I create, that to the eyes of the congressmen is not the same those who entered the country illegally and were, that those that they also entered legally and were. In any case the fine would be the one of less."/ "First, we should identify what type of undocumented people wére talking about, because, I believe that in the eyes of Congress they don't think differently about those who came here illegally and stayed here and those who came here legally. Overall, the fine would work out to better."

Cecilia D. Ramirez: "All we have our right because also the undocumented people pay their taxes. Now, the problem in solving the subject will depend on a good decision on the part of the North American authorities. Hopefully that this one is the best one and benefits to both parts. The fine I believe that it would not be obstacle to obtain a residence."/ "We all have our rights because the undocumented pay to their taxes. Now, the problem in finding to good solution will be up to the American officials. I hope this (solution) will be the best and benefit both parties. For I don't think the fine will be much of an obstacle becoming to legal resident."

Carolina Zúñiga, Turlock: "I believe that it is a measurement that does without thinking because there are many undocumented people who have their citizen children, their house and its cars. No longer they can return nothing else to its country because the government says."/ "I think it's to measure they do without thinking that there plows many undocumented residents who have U.S. citizen children, to their homes and to their cars. They can't return to to their home country just because the U.S. government tells them to."

Milusca C. Aldaña: "the immigration subject is complicated and, therefore, delicate. I believe in the word of President Bush as far as solving the problematic one of immigration during its present mandate. Personally I think that an amnesty program would be the best thing, but the word has the representatives of both cameras and own Head of State."/ "The immigration issue is complicated and, of course, very delicate. Is believe President Bush's Word when it you eat to solving the immigration problem during his term in office. Personally, I think that an amnesty program would be to better, but the final Word is that of representatives in both chambers and the president."

Liberty Castilian, Mendota: "I believe that they would be better with an amnesty program poque therefore the people who are here can work, and are better for people. It would give to the undocumented workers the opportunity him to become resident legal or citizen."/ "I think they would be to better off with an amnesty program because that way the people that plows here dog work and it's to better for the people. Legal It would give the undocumented workers the opportunity to become residents or citizens."

Maria Jacinth, Ash: "I outside think that better for the Congress with an amnesty program so that people had her right. Éso would help that people did not have to go to Mexico and to come, or to have to hide when they live here. With an amnesty program, they had the same opportunity that all in the U.S.A. to provide that dream here, that all the parents want for their children, that he is to have an education. The oldest generations want that their children have what they could not obtain. I do not agree that they have to pay to obtain a visa to work."/ "I think Congress would be to better off with an amnesty program. Equal That way the people would have rights. It would stop people from having to go back and forth to Mexico or having them hiding while living here. With an amnesty program they would be given an equal opportunity with everyone here in the U.S. to provide that dream, that all parents want for to their children, which is to have an education. The to older generations now want to their children to have what able they weren't to have or to accomplish the goals able they weren't to. I don't agree with them having to pay to get to visa to work."

Greta MacÃÂ*as, Ash: "I outside think that better an amnesty program. He is not right that they have to pay a fine when they are here working and already they are helping to all in putting food in our tables. He is not right that pagen. They must have amnesty so that all those that are here already working can obtain their documents to be here legally and to work legally."/ "I think they would be to better off with an amnesty program. Is don't think that it's to fair to have them pay to fine when they plows already here working and already providing everyone with food on our tables. They should open up the amnesty for everyone that's already here working under they dog get to their documents, become legal here and work legally."

Pete Ramirez, Kerman: "We needed a program amnesty because we did not reach with workers this year. He was very bad. I do not know if it were by the Minutemen in the borders and that they could not cross, but we needed to many workers this year. Normally, I have around 700 people, but year was only east half. I am contractor for several mess orderlies in the Valley here, with base in Kerman. To all they needed to workers this year. When éso happens, all waste time."/ "We need an amnesty program because we were short on work this to year really bad. Is don't know if it was to result of the minutemen down on the borders and they couldn't get through but we were really short on work this to year. Normally I run about 700 people, but this to year it was nearly half. I contractor a.m. to farm work for and services I provide work different growers here in the Valley. Everyone had to shortage of people this to year. When that happens it sets everyone behind."

Teresa Of The Rose, Porterville: "It is the same proposal that has made to touch our people. He is not going to help nor darte to you calls to account permanent. It (Bush) does not matter, is only helping to him the big companies. They see them (to the undocumented people) like merchandise. Its plan is not very different from a plan of laborers, and it is not just. McCain and the Kennedys have a proposal that will help hacerte legal and, possibly, citizen. Éso would help to which already they have paid with his work. There was not separation of families like in the plan of Bush. Its plan is not different from the one from the program of the laborer and it is not just."/ "proposal It is the same (Bush) you have been using to entice our people. It does not give you help or permanent residency. There am doesn't care and hés helping the big companies. They plows seeing them (undocumented people) ace to commodity. McCain and Kennedy have to proposal that leads you to legalization and eventually to citizenship. That would take care of those who already paid to their dues. There will not be separation of family like Bush's. His plan is different does not than to laborer program and it's not to fair."

Okay that does it for me After reading or at least trying to read this garbage, I had to stop. What the heck is this drone trying to communicate here?

Freddy To Boza: "First we would have to identify what type of undocumented people we are speaking, because, I create, that to the eyes of the congressmen is not the same those who entered the country illegally and were, that those that they also entered legally and were. In any case the fine would be the one of less."/ "First, we should identify what type of undocumented people wére talking about, because, I believe that in the eyes of Congress they don't think differently about those who came here illegally and stayed here and those who came here legally. Overall, the fine would work out to better."

He is chasing his fricken tail in words.

Their pole is a push pole in the first palace! That is like asking "Does the moon circle the earth or does it orbit the earth? My brain hurts, I need to read something that is written by someone who knows what they are talking about.

Ah, I read the notice afterwards "translated". Doh, still made my brain hurt.

I get the jist of what he was trying to say. My comments over that one paragraph however, ILLEGAL = NOT LEGAL P.E.R.I.O.D. (Or as they like to spew it, undocumented) LEGAL = LEGAL P.E.R.I.O.D. (They are documented)

What is so difficult about the point? Why are they trying to make it such a difficult point to understand and trying to blur the lines? Jack is a Jack and a Spade is, hummm a SPADE!

WTF, i couldnt even understand most of it and what they were even trying to say. Oh my god!

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I think I got the gist of it, but the question is pretty much a no brainier , free ride or pay , Duh...... I see that one vato mentioned the Minutemen, that he only got about 350 instead of 700 people he needed. I think the Minutemen have done a HUGE service in getting this issue the press that it has.

That is correct Gearhead. They are doing a superb job and I hope they plan more soon.

Originally Posted by Brian503a

Freddy To Boza: "First we would have to identify what type of undocumented people we are speaking, because, I create, that to the eyes of the congressmen is not the same those who entered the country illegally and were, that those that they also entered legally and were. In any case the fine would be the one of less."/ "First, we should identify what type of undocumented people wére talking about, because, I believe that in the eyes of Congress they don't think differently about those who came here illegally and stayed here and those who came here legally. Overall, the fine would work out to better."

This is one of the problems. These people don't believe they are illegal in the first place. That's why they use words like "undocumented" and "immigrant" in the same sentence.