Thread: We aren't the only ones...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/u ... 988816.stm


Blair 'rattled' over immigration
Tory leader David Cameron has accused Prime Minister Tony Blair of being "rattled" over immigration, foreign prisoners and human rights laws.
In fierce Commons exchanges, Mr Cameron also repeated his claim these issues showed the government's "paralysis".

The PM acknowledged there was "far more" to do but said Mr Cameron had opposed many key security measures.

Ministers are under fire after an immigration chief said he did not know how many illegal immigrants there were.

Mr Blair confirmed there were no official estimates of the number of illegal immigrants, but asylum applications were down and the numbers of failed asylum seekers being deported had increased since 1999.


We are making huge efforts to remove them, but not on the basis of tracing individuals
David Roberts, Immigration and Nationality Directorate head of removals Hear the comments


The introduction of "electronic borders" planned for 2007 and the planned identity card scheme would help control immigration, he added.

Mr Blair insisted the government had not shifted its position on ensuring the "vast bulk" of foreign prisoners are deported automatically.

Mr Cameron said the foreign prisoner debacle - taken together with immigration and the government's failure to reform human rights legislation - showed it was in "paralysis".


This debacle underlines the fact that the government have effectively lost control of UK's borders
Sir Andrew Green, Migration Watch


"After four home secretaries, 43 pieces of legislation in nine years, should anyone believe he is the right man to sort it out?", asked Mr Cameron.

Keith Best, chief executive of the Immigration Advisory Service, said the problems had been caused by the end of embarkation controls, in 1994 for people leaving the UK for the EU, and in 1998 for the rest of the world.

This meant the government no longer knew the identity of people leaving or entering the country - something ID cards and "e-borders" are meant to rectify.

Sir Andrew Green, of pressure group Migration Watch, said: "This debacle underlines the fact that the government have effectively lost control of UK's borders.

"The Home Office has deliberately increased immigration with the result that it has been overwhelmed by numbers. That is fundamentally the reason why we keep getting one incident after another."

The row erupted after the UK's head of immigration removals David Roberts told MPs on Tuesday he did not "have the faintest idea" of the numbers.

'Real disgrace'

Mr Roberts told the Commons home affairs committee there was little point trying to hunt people who overstayed their visas and resources had been targeted instead on firms employing illegal workers.


HAVE YOUR SAY
Time for a proper border patrol like most countries have
John Smith, Leicester


He also said he did not know how many people had been ordered by the Home Office to leave the country - a situation described as "amazing" and "a mockery of the immigration control system" by Labour MP David Winnick.

Shadow home secretary David Davis said the government had not told the "whole truth" and ministers actually knew how many illegal immigrants there were.

He said the figure according to official estimates released last year was "higher than 500,000" but he said ministers had been instructed "not to talk about it".

But the "real disgrace", Mr Davis argued, was not the figures but the fact that the home office did not know where individual illegal immigrants were and that it was no longer looking for them.

Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman Nick Clegg said Mr Roberts' "breathtaking admission" confirmed "what many people have suspected for some time: the government's management of our immigration system is completely incompetent".


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and here we have the GLOBALIZED ONE WORLD ORDER
that Bush 1 touted.

Lovely to see the results, eh?

Somehow, it's not comforting to know that our government is not the only ineffectual government in the world.

I know right! The knot in my stomach just got knottier!!

Mr. Blair's approval rating were at 26% last week.

English citizens are furious about this too. I read where they are losing their last car manufacturer....they are fed up, like we are.

I tell you people, I hope our kids and grandkids do not give our country away, because they are too lax or just don't care about the future of our country.

I might have to come back and haunt them!

"It is only when the people become ignorant and corrupt, when they degenerate into a populace, that they are incapable of exercising their sovereignty. -- John Adams"

What an appropriate statement for the state of governments today. I believe, that on balance, it's the Citizens themselves that are holding tight to the principles of sovereignty. Our government would have us not only ignorant and corrupted but degenerate as well; by referring to us as "consumers"- a wholly undignified slur.

I have been thinking this for a while. It is such a coincidence that the major westernized, advanced countries in the world are all having the same problem at the same time. Major influx of illegals from 3rd world countries. This is indeed a plan for globalization and not a coincidence at all.

The Brits are very upset about what is (or isn't) going on in their country. I'm told that London now has the highest crime rate of any major western city in the free world.