Thread: what are the actual numbers?

While Latino advocacy groups tout that 47 miilion Hispanics live in the United States I am wondering if indeed they are not using statistics to drive the debate in their favor. After all numbers mean a lot isn't that true, or is it?

Can anybody confirm this. Roughly 27 - 28 million Hispanic US Citizens + 5 million - ish legal resident = 47 million? Isn't the difference illegal aliens. Could be up to 30% of illegals?!?

Are my numbers about right or am off base? Please let me know.
thanks

I don't think they like to distinguish between legal and illegal....and no matter how they do their numbers, it never seems to add up. Here's an article in todays paper and I can just about guarentee the growth is majority illegal.

Kendall's Hispanic numbers nearly quadruple


August 8, 2008Recommend

By ANDRE SALLES asalles@scn1.com
The Hispanic population in Kendall County has nearly quadrupled over the past seven years, according to new figures released by the United States Census Bureau this week.

But those numbers have only sporadically translated into new Hispanic-owned businesses in the county, economic development officials say.

RELATED STORIES• Online: U.S. Census Bureau
Fox Valley census• Overall population growth
County / 2000 / 2007

Kane / 374,119 / 501,021

Kendall / 54,544 / 96,818

DuPage / 906,760 / 929,192

Will / 502,266 / 673,586

• Minority population growth

County/2000/2007

Kane / 96,787 / 183,410

Kendall / 5,407 / 22,843

DuPage / 185,729 / 246,874

Will / 108,594 / 196,301

• Hispanic population growth

County/2000 /2007

Kane / 95,924 / 141,481

Kendall / 4,086 / 15,466

DuPage / 81,366 / 113,989

Will / 43,768 / 97,286

Source: U.S. Census Bureau


In an update to 2007 population estimates released last month, the Census Bureau revealed that Kane County still has the highest percentage of minorities in the region -- 36 percent of the population in 2007, up from 26 percent in 2000.

Numbers are up in DuPage and Will counties as well: DuPage is 26 percent minority, up from 20 percent seven years ago; and Will is now 29 percent minority, up from 22 percent in 2000.

But Kendall County is setting the pace for the Fox Valley. It remains one of the fastest-growing counties in the country -- the population is up to 96,818, an increase of 43 percent over the last census figures in 2000. In the past seven years, the minority population of the county has grown from 11 percent to nearly 25 percent.

In 2000, the Hispanic population in Kendall numbered 4,086. In 2007, that number rose to 15,466, an increase of 279 percent.

According to Robert Bernstein, spokesman for the Census Bureau, Kendall County's Hispanic population growth is ranked 14th in the nation among counties with 10,000 people or more.

There are more than 2,400 counties in that category, Bernstein said, adding that the Hispanic population in Kendall is growing more than six times as fast as the overall population.

But that increase in Hispanic residents, at least in Oswego, has not meant a flood of Hispanic-owned businesses, or even businesses aimed at the Hispanic population, said Michael Cassa, head of the city's economic development corporation. He said there has been an increase in businesses opening, but could not think of one targeted at the Hispanic community.

That's not the case in Plano, according to Rich Healy, executive director of the city's economic development corporation. He said Plano has seen a marked increase in Hispanic residents, and although many choose to live in Plano while working elsewhere, his office has seen a rise in Hispanic-owned businesses in town as well.

However, he noted the economy is not what it was three years ago, and that could account for the slowdown in new businesses -- Hispanic and otherwise -- throughout the county. Healy said his office was taking four to five phone calls a month from interested business owners earlier this year, but lately the phone has been silent.

The Plano EDC does use the growing Hispanic population as a selling point for businesses looking to locate in the city and also offers courses on building a Hispanic customer base, Healy said.

Plano's growth has been at the same pace as the county at large -- the city's latest special census figures put it at 11,600 residents, many of whom don't want to drive out of town to get the necessities.

"That's 6,000 new residents in seven years," Healy said. "We're teaching people to work with the newer population."

Noone wants us to know the actual numbers of illegal immigrants here. We will only find out if an amnesty bill passes and millions come out of the shadows to apply. I, for one, would like a better accounting of the true numbers before any legalization, or guest worker program is approved.
How can we verify the numbers, when it is considered profiling to ask status? We can not ask the illegal school kids, who are probably the largest group. We can estimate how many are in the workplace using mismatched social security numbers, but that does not include the kids, moms not working, or grandparents or others not in the workforce.
If American citizens knew the true numbers, there would be justifyable outrage. Just like those of us who choose to be aware, and do not trust our government to tell the truth.

Illegals have been coming into our country, basically unimpeded, for the last 22 years, at a rapidly increasing rate, peaking in 2005, and slowing down, since that time, mainly due to our slowing economy.

Border Patrol agents typically say that they catch 25% of the intruders. With the addition of some fencing, and 5,000 additional BP agents, that percentage should be increasing,. but still, a sizeable majority are able to illegally enter our country.

-------------SOUTHWEST BORDER PATROL APPREHENSIONS----------
-----2003-------2004--------2005-------2006-------2007------2008
--905,065-1,139,282-1,189,108-1,071,972--858,638--578,774

I think the numbers indicate that there are probably 30, to 35, million illegal immigrants in our ccountry; possibly even 40 million, or more.

Pile them on top of the 47 million of our own, that are uninsured, and that essentially doubles the number of poverty level people we have in our country.

Adding 10 to 15% to our population, when that 10 to 15% are all poverty level persons, creates an enormous burden on our social welfare system. Amereican taxpayers bear the burden of all of these people.

Someone needs to stand up and squash that 12 million number that keeps getting used, as it is a complete fallacy.

Someone needs to stand up and squash that 12 million number that keeps getting used, as it is a complete fallacy.

Exactly. Not to mention this "minority" business. How can a school be 50-80% hispanic and still be a "minority". Why is it when a school has more white students, they re-draw the districts to make it more balanced but others don't have to?

Crazybird wrote

Exactly. Not to mention this "minority" business. How can a school be 50-80% hispanic and still be a "minority". Why is it when a school has more white students, they re-draw the districts to make it more balanced but others don't have to?

Because only whites can be the majority because whites are the problem for all of the minoritys problems and need to be weeded out!

If thats not it I don't know why our country has such a chip on their shoulder for white people, One number that is right though is that whites are the majority throughout the country but compose the of the lowest percentage of any other group in jail! If whites are so bad why are not overflowing the justice system? I guess whites committ the crime and the police blame it on the minority?

Its is so stupid and the answers that make sence to the problems always get pushed aside in the name of fairness and compassion? It boils my blood!!!!