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    Why Donald Trump, and American Workers, Need Andrew Puzder as Sec. of Labor

    Why Donald Trump, and American Workers, Need Andrew Puzder as Secretary of Labor…





    Posted on December 8, 2016 by sundance




    In order to tackle the U.S. Illegal Immigration issues, even broadly, a person must first change their paradigm and understand the root issue which creates the crisis. The problem was created by the UniParty, and the problem continues specifically because the UniParty desire it to continue.

    Before you can reasonably present a solution to the illegal immigration problem, you must first understand the economic problem. Understanding how illegal aliens work in the U.S. is step one toward understanding what proposed solutions would/could work, and which are mere political talking points.

    Here’s the stuff the professional political class don’t necessarily want you to know.











    You can clearly see, from many of the various pearl-clutching articles about Labor Secretary Nominee Andrew Puzder, how entrenched, erroneous and naive many peoples’ beliefs are on the specific issue of illegal aliens within the employment system.

    It is difficult to accept -perhaps for the first time- what you previously believed is not based on any substantive reality. Blaming U.S. businesses for hiring illegal aliens makes for a good avoidance technique; heck, the UniParty relies upon an electorate doing just that. However, that blame-casting actually keeps people from recognizing and confronting the underlying ‘real world’ issues faced by U.S. employers.

    This is where the value of a successful businessman, Corporate CEO, large employer, and specifically a man who has faced down the weaponized EEOC, Andrew Puzder, becomes infinitely more valuable as Secretary of Labor.









    THE ISSUE
    – Most people think of illegal alien workers as farm workers, or workers employed by small service businesses. While there is some validity to the precept, the vast majority of illegal aliens actually find it easier to gain employment in large organizational businesses. When you understand labor law, you understand why this is the case.


    Every entity that hires people is potentially at risk for audit, inspection, or charge from an entity called the EEOC (Equal Employment Opportunity Commission) within their regional jurisdiction.


    The EEOC responds to hiring practice complaints from a perspective of ensuring equal employment opportunity. As we’ll show, the rules of the EEOC are in direct contradiction with the Department of Homeland Security [formerly Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS)] immigration laws.


    Large corporations have legal, compliance and HR departments to assist and train the hiring by managers within the organizational structure. These departments exist first and foremost to protect the organization or corporation from risks presented by the EEOC.


    When you understand the emphasis of the risk avoidance you begin to understand how illegal aliens in the workforce are as common an occurrence as legally employed U.S. workers.









    FIRST – According to EEOC (Equal Employment Opportunity Commission), or EEO, rules and laws, IT IS UNLAWFUL NOT TO HIRE ILLEGAL ALIENS.


    According to EEO laws, under the auspices of their guiding principle of Disparate Impact (in discrimination rulings), a business cannot use any employment eligibility standard that disqualifies a federally protected category (in this example ethnicity, race, national origin) from employment.


    Here’s how it works on Main Street – If you require all applicants to be legally eligible to work in the U.S., and part of that application process is the applicant providing you documents to prove that eligibility, you cannot verify those documents –> if the verification of those documents would exclude a larger percentage of ethnic applicants, protected class applicants, than the general application pool.


    Meaning, as an example, if you check Social Security numbers (example E-Verify) for employment eligibility, and that verification disqualifies a disproportionate amount more Latinos than all other applicants, then the verification process itself is unlawful because it creates a “Disparate Impact” against Latinos and you are guilty of violating EEOC law.


    That risk is why most large U.S. corporations and businesses do not use E-Verify; and those who do use E-Verify have noted it is less and less effective at blocking illegal aliens/undocumented applicants.


    As a direct consequence of rulings in complaints brought by the EEOC under the auspices of “disparate impact“, there is no legal requirement to verify employment eligibility beyond accepting the word of the applicant.


    Additionally, as some small and mid-sized organizations did begin using e-verify, the unlawful immigrants shifted to using real -but stolen- Social Security numbers (ie. identity theft), and/or the frequency of using a false -specifically Puerto Rican- identity has risen.


    This takes us to the second point.










    SECOND – The illegal alien (pc undocumented worker) gains employment with the presentation of false documents – and as outlined above the business cannot immediately disqualify the applicant because of those false documents.
    The Dept. of Homeland Security now has the responsibility for telling employers how to scrutinize hiring documents; as you can see below DHS doesn’t want employers being critical.


    In short, to avoid running afoul of EEO laws (ie avoiding lawsuits, fines, penalties), and because DHS essentially discourages critique, most businesses don’t even check Social Security Numbers – and if the eligibility documents look legit, DHS guidance says “accept them”.


    The only legal requirement upon the hiring organization is for the business to complete the federally required I-9 employment form with the information from the documents provided by the applicant when hired.


    This I-9 form, along with W-4, is then retained by the employer subject to inspection by the Department of Labor. The data is used by the payroll department to and sent to the IRS, and a copy of all communicated data kept on file for random audit/inspection within the business.


    The fact the information is false has no bearing on the business. The hiring company has to take the word of the employee as to the truthfulness therein. Illegal applicants know this, they know how to “game the system”, and they pay for false documents ($300 to $600 per set) to complete this part of their application for employment:







    Dept. of Homeland Security gives
    guidelines for I-9 completion. If it looks legit, just accept it.


    This is how illegals get jobs. This is also why the various Washington DC bureaucrats who make up the UniParty, and are lobbied by K-Street operatives of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, oppose “Card Check” legislation, which could stop illegal aliens from getting employment.


    The I-9 is completed by the employer, using the employee presenting information to evidence their eligibility. The W-4 is the employee filling out their tax withholding status.


    The W-4 is also the easiest way to know if you have hired an illegal, (though you can’t question it, or do anything about it) because many illegals use the dependent withholding on their W-4 to do the same thing. Which brings us to point #3.
    THIRD – It is an absolute lie that illegals pay federal income taxes. 80% of the illegals working will never file income tax returns. Instead, the way they keep their money is to falsify the number of dependents on their W-4. It is not unusual to see W-4’s from illegal aliens claiming 4, 5, 6+ dependents. This keeps them from paying much, if any, federal income taxes.


    The illegal employee, once inside the system, customarily will never file federal tax returns so a tax refund is generally not part of their consideration. Instead their endeavors are structured to avoid paying taxes on the front-end, their paychecks. However, they do pay into SSA which they cannot avoid.


    FOURTH – How do they get away with it? The IRS and Social Security Office have a process of comparing Social Security numbers based on the SSA collections, and the database of social security numbers when generated by the feds. (*Note* you might be familiar with SSA benefit statements from the Social Security office during your work history – usually rec’d in the mail).


    The comparison of SS numbers to SS/IRS/Data-base filings generates a list known as a Mismatched Social Security list.

    Starting in early 2002, under the updated policy, a letter is being sent in each case where the employer filed even one Form W-2 where the worker’s name or Social Security number does not match SSA records. The letters began going out to employers shortly after the 1/31/02 calendar year deadline for W-2s, producing concern and confusion for employers because of conflicting obligations under different laws. (link)
    If you have an employee on that list, the feds send you a notification of mis-matched social security number. This is also the primary way that all employers are notified they have illegal aliens working for them.
    And to give you an idea how this process is fraught with legal trapdoors to be avoided consider this paragraph:

    Watch out for discriminatory actions
    . On the other hand, employers also risk a charge of unlawful discrimination by terminating employees because they are not able to explain and resolve SSN/name discrepancies.
    As in any employment action, employers should be careful to treat employees consistently, without regard for the employee’s ethnic group, citizenship status, or nationality.

    Further, employers should be careful to avoid a charge of “document abuse” that could result if employees are required to show their Social Security cards to help resolve a mismatch.

    SSA letters carefully advise employers to “ask [their] employees to check [their] Social Security card and to inform [them] of any name or Social Security number difference” between the records and the cards. Under IRCA, employers should not require employees to present specific documents, including Social Security cards, for employment eligibility verification purposes.

    Do you begin to see the problem? But wait, it gets worse:

    “It was wrong before but now it’s right”
    . INS also opines on one specific situation that occurs fairly frequently.
    An employee who has been working under a false SSN subsequently becomes authorized for employment and obtains a legitimate SSN. The employee then informs his employer that his SSN has changed so that his earnings can be credited to his new, proper SSA account.


    The employer in this situation should consider reviewing its policy regarding termination decisions when employees commit fraud in the workplace, and should consult counsel regarding the employee’s possible termination. INS’s opinion contains a reminder that “[k]nowing false statements on the Form I-9, or the use of false documents to obtain employment, are felonies that are not excused by subsequent grants of work authorization or lawful status.” INS further advises that employers should not continue to rely on Forms I-9 that the employer knows were completed fraudulently. (link)

    There are some instances where a married woman with a name change might appear on that mismatched list; however, the vast majority are fraudulent social security numbers used with specific intent to gain employment.
    The business is notified and is obligated (10 days to comply) to re-verify the employee information, and send the employee to the local Social Security office to reconcile/fix the problem of disparity within 30 days.
    It can take years, sometimes many years, for the Social Security Administration to catch the illegal SS# being used. In the interim the employee is getting paid just like every other employee. I’ve personally seen illegal workers with 5 to 15 years of employment before they appear on the list.


    However, in actual life the end result is not too complex. Generally as soon as you tell an illegal alien employee you have received that mismatch notification, they simply quit.


    If you have a good relationship with them, they’ll admit they are illegal – and simply go get another job and start the process all over again. If you don’t know them well, or if they are not comfortable with you, they just stop showing up to work.


    That’s it.

    It’s not a grand or significant conspiracy. No big mystery. No-one goes looking, no-one comes to see you. Just *poof* the illegal disappears, and the business hires someone else, quite possibly another illegal – and the cycle begins again.





    This is just the way it works
    . It is not the fault of the business, who are simply complying with conflicting federal employment and labor laws.


    However, what most people don’t know is what you just read; that (Federal) EEOC hiring rules are in direct conflict with (Federal) Dept of Labor hiring Laws when it comes to DHS employment eligibility, immigration laws, and EEOC “disparate impact”.


    So when anyone says they have a solution to stop illegal alien employment they must first accept that DHS (INS), Dept. of Labor, and the EEOC all must come into alignment.


    It does not take laws to accomplish this, the laws are already on the books, it simply takes a president who clarifies the rules to their cabinet members (Labor and DOJ). For Donald Trump that would be Attorney General nominee Jeff Sessions, and Labor Department nominee Andrew






    The only actual law needed, to avoid issues with any following administration, is a federal law to mandate the verification of employment eligibility documents as they are presented.


    The most current proposal to mandate this verification is called “card check”. The “card check” legislation, as a stand-alone principle of law, is staunchly opposed by unions, liberals, progressives, Democrats and hidden UniParty (G08/Republican politicians.


    President-elect Donald Trump’s primary businesses are within the building/construction and hospitality industry. Both the building and hospitality industries are rife with illegal alien workers.


    Depending on whether the preferred regional scheme is false documents or the more modern stolen identity documents, the average 300 room hotel would be anticipated to receive 50 to 100 mismatched notifications annually depending on location.


    Within the construction industry, the notifications are less frequent because the jobs are generally more short-term in duration and by the time the mismatched SSI index would catch up with the employee/employer, the illegal is no longer working there.


    As you can see, the issue of illegal alien employment is not as easy to tackle as many would initially believe. All indicators are that part of Trump’s overall approach toward immigration enforcement is to avoid congress and focus on strict enforcement of current immigration law.


    Factually, this is the fastest approach to dealing with it – however, that approach requires the DOJ and DoL to be in synergy as enforcement of existing employment law is used to identify and tackle those who are currently illegally employed.
    With that in mind, a corporate CEO who has specific knowledge of these issues within a business that is directly impacted by the formerly allowed (willfully blind) bureaucratic legal gobbledy-gook known as “disparate impact”, is a key attribute to dealing with it.





    AUTHORS NOTE:
    Regarding various articles written by various media outlets, many “conservative”, opposing

    Ask yourself: Have any of those authors ever run a multi-million fast paced business, with hundreds of employees; and simultaneously getting dozens of these mismatched SS# notifications each year; and trying to figure out how to keep your operation afloat – while hiring and retraining replacements?

    Running a Main Street business is not an esoteric enterprise under these challenges. It is real life. I know because I’ve done it.. I’ve hired and trained thousands, and navigated through the precarious minefields of regulation and compliance while operating a business that depends on labor efficiency and effectiveness. It is not easy.

    I can totally understand how President-elect Donald Trump needs Andrew Puzder’s specific skill-set to balance an issue of immigration enforcement, and still allow business interests to function while navigating their way through the painstaking process of rebuilding their workforce.

    Most people have no idea how many illegals are working in America. It would blow your mind. When you’ve never signed the front of a paycheck under these circumstances it’s easy to be a critic, or an author of an opinion article.
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    Trump Expected to Tap Labor Secretary Who Prefers Foreign Labor to American Workers

    Trump Expected to Tap Labor Secretary Who Prefers Foreign Labor to American Workers

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    by JULIA HAHN8 Dec 2016Washington D.C.5931


    President-elect Donald J. Trump is expected to name as his Labor Secretary fast food executive Andy Puzder, who stands diametrically opposed to Trump’s signature issues on trade and immigration — which won him the election.

    Puzder is the chief executive of CKE Restaurants, which includes Carl’s Jr. and Hardee’s.

    Advocates for American wage-earners say that Puzder as Secretary of Labor is alarming because he will be in charge of enacting policies that directly impact American workers, whom Puzder believes are “unwilling” to do certain jobs. Puzder has suggested that available U.S. jobs should instead be filled by imported foreign labor.

    Puzder has even gone so far as to suggest that he prefers foreign laborers to native-born American workers because foreign nationals are more grateful and have a better “attitude.”

    “The fact is that there are jobs in this country that U.S. citizens, for whatever reason, are reluctant or unwilling to perform,” he said in a 2013Politico op-ed in which he advocated for expansionist immigration policies.

    As the Washington Post reported, Puzder suggested that flipping burgers is one such job Americans simply won’t do:

    “Andrew Puzder, head of the California-based Hardee’s fast-food chain, said his business is a good fit for immigrants because they are willing to start at the bottom and work up…

    “Immigrants appreciate what America offers,” Puzder said during a recent visit to Washington to lobby for immigration reform. “They are not taking jobs from Americans, because there are not sufficient Americans applying for jobs. Maybe they feel they have better options.”


    Acclaimed Manhattan Institute scholar Heather Mac Donald was critical of Puzder’s logic in a piece titled, “Does America Need More Hamburger-Flippers?” Mac Donald wrote:

    Isn’t the argument for importing low-skilled immigrants that they take jobs that Americans won’t do? Farm labor is almost certainly one of those hard-to-fill jobs, but it’s news to me that working a fast-food counter is another — unless perhaps that niche becomes dominated by Mexican or Central American immigrants. A black kid from Watts is going to have a hard time getting hired at a Carl’s Jr. in South Central L.A. where all the employees speak to each other in Spanish.



    Polling data suggests that Puzder’s desire to import foreign workers to fill U.S. jobs stands opposed to the desires of the American electorate.

    Indeed, a 2014 poll from Kellyanne Conway’s polling company found that by nearly a 10-1 margin, Americans believe that companies should raise wages and improve working conditions for workers already here – rather than importing new foreign labor from abroad to fill American jobs.

    Yet, during a 2013 AEI panel, Puzder seemed to express his preference for foreign workers over native-born Americans. Puzder said that his California labor force, which has a high percentage of foreign-born workers, is comprised of “hardworking, dedicated, creative people that really appreciate the fact that they have a job. Whereas in other parts of the country you often get people who are saying, ‘I can’t believe I have to work this job.’ With the immigrant population you always have a “Thank-God-I-have-this-job” kind of attitude, so you end up with a real different feeling. Now that’s a gross generalization… but I think it’s probably accurate.”

    Last year, Puzder even joined forces with Michael Bloomberg, Bob Iger, and Rupert Murdoch’s open borders lobbying firm, the Partnership for a New American Economy, to call for “free-market solutions” to our immigration system.

    “America should be a destination for hard-working immigrants from all over the world. Our economy will benefit from that,” Puzder wrote, perhaps unaware of the fact that the U.S. already has the world’s most generous immigration system– admitting one million plus foreign nationals on green cards; one million guest workers, dependents, and refugees; and half a million foreign students each and every year.

    Puzder has been equally vocal about his support for immigration amnesty.

    In 2013, Puzder lamented that the federal government’s current immigration policy is unfair to “undocumented workers who are lured to the country by the prospect of employment, [but] then must live in the shadows.”

    Similarly, in a 2015 op-ed published in the Wall Street Journal’s open borders opinion pages, Puzder declared that “every candidate should support a path to legal status” for all illegal immigrants “willing to accept responsibility for their actions”.

    In a July 2016 Wall Street Journal op-ed co-authored with Stephen Moore, Puzder insisted that the President-elect’s plan to enforce U.S. immigration law and repatriate the illegal population is “unworkable.”

    “[Many undocumented immigrants] live in fear of being deported, losing what they’ve built and being separated from their families,” Puzder separately told reporters during a 2015 conference call with top GOP donors. “Our values indicate we should be the party of immigration reform.”

    By “immigration reform” Puzder was referring to a widely-used progressive euphemism that means amnesty and flooding the labor market with foreign workers. Indeed, as Puzder himself explained in 2013, “comprehensive immigration reform” should include “a robust legal immigration program, including incentives for highly educated people to come to the U.S. and a guest worker program; a pathway to adjusted status for those here illegally now; and special relief for the children of undocumented immigrants.”

    “The reality is that the government is not going to enforce the law effectively now against those who are here unlawfully,” Puzder wrote in 2013. The United States, Puzder reasoned, simply lacks “the will” to enforce U.S. immigration law:

    There are more than 11 million illegal immigrants in our country. Many have families, homes, jobs and children who are American citizens. We simply are not going to take them from their homes, put them in prisons, load them on buses and take them back over the border. Nor will we enact draconian measures that drive them from their homes or their jobs and force them to “self-deport.” As a nation, we lack both the will and the resources to implement such policies.



    More recently, Puzder has argued that “deportation should only be pursued when an illegal immigrant has committed a felony or [has] become a ‘public charge’.”

    However, President-elect Trump himself explained why only enforcing some aspects of U.S. immigration law would be unfair to American workers. During his immigration speech delivered in Phoenix, Arizona, Trump said:

    Immigration law doesn’t exist just for the purpose of keeping out criminals. It exists to protect all aspects of American life – the worksite, the welfare office, the education system and much else. That is why immigration limits are established in the first place. If we only enforce the laws against crime, then we have an open border to the entire world.”



    In his 2016 Wall Street Journal op-ed, Puzder also described himself as a “free trader” who “oppose[s] punitive tariffs.”

    Many have credited Trump’s pro-American worker stance on trade as part of the reason he was able to break through the left’s “blue wall” in states like Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.

    As MSNBC’s Chris Matthews explained on election night, Trump won, in large part, due by running against the Washington establishment’s position on trade and immigration:

    The fact that we don’t have an immigration system that we enforce: business wants the cheap labor, Democrats want the jobs and the votes. Nobody’s gotten it together. In terms of trade… just drive through Michigan, drive through Wisconsin, and you’ll see places that are hollowed out…Trump said, ‘You know what, I think I can run against this stuff.’ … It was a legitimate campaign on those issue.



    It remains to be seen whether Puzder will abandon his former open borders positions on these issues and will take up Trump’s pro-American worker platform on trade and immigration, which won him the election.

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    MW Wrote:

    More recently, Puzder has argued that “deportation should only be pursued when an illegal immigrant has committed a felony or [has] become a ‘public charge’.”
    According to USCIS, a public charge is:

    A. For purposes of determining inadmissibility, “public charge” means an individual who is likely to become primarily dependent on the government for subsistence, as demonstrated by either the receipt of public cash assistance for income maintenance or institutionalization for long-term care at government expense.Sep 3, 2009
    https://www.google.com/search?q=what...utf-8&oe=utf-8

    87% of illegal aliens are on welfare. Deport them and the criminals, and that has to be more than 90% of them, maybe more. Deport all the expired visa illegal aliens which Trump has already said he's going to do day one, and come on, they're all out of here.

    When was the last time we had a Secretary of Labor who said to the public, if you're a criminal or on welfare, you're out of our job market, because you're out of our country? It will be the first-time in my life-time.

    I was reserved on Puzder but supportive because he was Trump's pick and I have faith in Trump. But now I'm a fan of Puzder. Lets give someone who has stated publicly that all illegal aliens who are criminals or on welfare gotta go!! I don't think we'll be disappointed, I think we'll be amazed.
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    Thank you GeorgiaPeach for your great article. Sundance is right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    Thank you GeorgiaPeach for your great article. Sundance is right.
    If they're so right, how come they left off these important tidbits?

    Puzder has suggested that available U.S. jobs should instead be filled by imported foreign labor.
    Puzder has even gone so far as to suggest that he prefers foreign laborers to native-born American workers because foreign nationals are more grateful and have a better “attitude.”

    “The fact is that there are jobs in this country that U.S. citizens, for whatever reason, are reluctant or unwilling to perform,” he said in a 2013Politico op-ed in which he advocated for expansionist immigration policies.
    Polling data suggests that Puzder’s desire to import foreign workers to fill U.S. jobs stands opposed to the desires of the American electorate.

    Indeed, a 2014 poll from Kellyanne Conway’s polling company found that by nearly a 10-1 margin, Americans believe that companies should raise wages and improve working conditions for workers already here – rather than importing new foreign labor from abroad to fill American jobs.
    Last year, Puzder even joined forces with Michael Bloomberg, Bob Iger, and Rupert Murdoch’s open borders lobbying firm, the Partnership for a New American Economy, to call for “free-market solutions” to our immigration system.
    Puzder has been equally vocal about his support for immigration amnesty.

    In 2013, Puzder lamented that the federal government’s current immigration policy is unfair to “undocumented workers who are lured to the country by the prospect of employment, [but] then must live in the shadows.”
    Similarly, in a 2015 op-ed published in the Wall Street Journal’s open borders opinion pages, Puzder declared that “every candidate should support a path to legal status” for all illegal immigrants “willing to accept responsibility for their actions”.
    In a July 2016 Wall Street Journal op-ed co-authored with Stephen Moore, Puzder insisted that the President-elect’s plan to enforce U.S. immigration law and repatriate the illegal population is “unworkable.”

    “[Many undocumented immigrants] live in fear of being deported, losing what they’ve built and being separated from their families,” Puzder separately told reporters during a 2015 conference call with top GOP donors. “Our values indicate we should be the party of immigration reform.”
    There are more than 11 million illegal immigrants in our country. Many have families, homes, jobs and children who are American citizens. We simply are not going to take them from their homes, put them in prisons, load them on buses and take them back over the border. Nor will we enact draconian measures that drive them from their homes or their jobs and force them to “self-deport.” As a nation, we lack both the will and the resources to implement such policies.
    In his 2016 Wall Street Journal op-ed, Puzder also described himself as a “free trader” who “oppose[s] punitive tariffs.



    The fact that any ALIPAC member could support this guy just boggles the mind because he stand for everything we're opposed to!
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    I don't know that anyone is surprised that our government departments have worked to make sure no one has to verify illegals. Truly, did we not know that. It allows businesses to say 'we just can't verify them'.

    Now before we get all soft feeling on these employers, ask yourself how these conflicting regulations got in place.

    Personally, I think they allowed employers to write these regulations, so they would have a 'legal' out.

    Many illegals work on a contract basis. They show the employer a SS card. At the end of the year, the employer mails a 1099 and it is up to the employee to file and pay all applicable taxes - including self-employment SS. This gives the employer an out.

    This could be fixed quite simply by comparing all tax returns to 1099's and when you find the huge numbers that do not file - then action can be taken.

    When asked about this, some government spokesman said they simply didn't have the ability to do that.

    We have a small royalty check for a gas lease received through an inheritance. It amounts to almost nothing. For many years, the oil company stated the check stub revealed the amount received and we were to use it to report the income to the IRS.

    We were working on the road and simply did not have that with us when we got our tax papers ready to send to the CPA - we missed that whopping $50 income.

    The IRS found that and the penalty was more than the $50.

    But they can't find thousands/millions of 1099's that have not had returns filed?

    Shouldn't using false documents be a felony? I would have thought the Patriot Act would have such a provision.
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    The IRS is complicit with illegal immigration, it started during the Clinton Administration who arranged for TIN for illegals because they didn't have social security numbers.

    No one stopped it or fixed it. Every new illegal in the country can call or have someone call and get a TIN number and file an income tax return with that number and 9 million households, not people, households, do every single year. The IRS brags that this brings in about $9 billion of payroll and income tax a year. I guess the IRS is so computerized now that they can't do math in their heads any more. This is $1,000 of income and payroll tax ll tax per illegal alien family. They file the returns to get EITC. An average tax credit refund for a family eligible for EITC is around $7,000. So for every family tax return filed, we lose $6,000.
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