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after Smithfield representatives met with Rev. Carlos N. Arce, a Roman Catholic priest who helped broker the temporary settlement.

What's with this Catholic Priest stuff? Isn't he a little outside his jurisdiction? They wouldn't give a couple, here in Nashville, a marriage license without a SSN......what did they do? They came back with a Catholic Priest to plead for them. Of course it didn't help and the priest said that it wasn't very "family oriented" to require a SSN! These people are plain disgusting. All these priests do is try to get them around the law. They act like their "mommie and daddy." It's a pitiful, sorry sight!! I guess these people are so ignorant and illiterate that they think a priest can, somehow, get them pity......maybe that's the way it works in Mexico.

Originally Posted by gofer

after Smithfield representatives met with Rev. Carlos N. Arce, a Roman Catholic priest who helped broker the temporary settlement.

What's with this Catholic Priest stuff? Isn't he a little outside his jurisdiction? They wouldn't give a couple, here in Nashville, a marriage license without a SSN......what did they do? They came back with a Catholic Priest to plead for them. Of course it didn't help and the priest said that it wasn't very "family oriented" to require a SSN! These people are plain disgusting. All these priests do is try to get them around the law. They act like their "mommie and daddy." It's a pitiful, sorry sight!! I guess these people are so ignorant and illiterate that they think a priest can, somehow, get them pity......maybe that's the way it works in Mexico.

$$$ - Pure and simple

Huh? So Tennessee won't give a marriage license without a SSN?

That sounds strange to me, because Social Security won't issue a SSN to any alien who is not authorized to work. There are quite a few nonimmigrant visas that either don't authorize work at all or require specific permission from DHS, but the alien is certainly not prohibited from marriage.

Originally Posted by bquasius

Huh? So Tennessee won't give a marriage license without a SSN?

That sounds strange to me, because Social Security won't issue a SSN to any alien who is not authorized to work. There are quite a few nonimmigrant visas that either don't authorize work at all or require specific permission from DHS, but the alien is certainly not prohibited from marriage.

Pursuant the so-called Deadbeat Dad Law, most licenses in most states now require an SSN or else a complicated exemption process that requires an affidavit and some other recognized form of photo ID such as a passport along with a Birth Certificate.

I certainly can understand why the States want a SSN, so they can identify deadbeat Dads, etc. However, they need to exercise caution or efforts designed to curb illegal immigration or solve other problems will wind up hurting legal immigrants.

My own state of Minnesota rushed into effect new regulations requiring proof of U.S. citizenship or lawful presence for aliens before they'd issue a drivers license. First there was a lawsuit because in their hurry they didn't follow the required rule-making proceedures. The State courts told motor vehicles they had to do the rule making.

It turned out they forgot some groups of aliens, such as aliens with expired immigration documents adjusting status from non-immigrant to permanent resident. An alien adjusting status only has a receipt from Immigration to prove they applied for permanent resident status. Most would look at one of these receipts and conclude they prove nothing, and if the visa is expired probably confiscate their documents.

My wife came to the U.S. on a fiancé visa, which allows 90 days to either marry or leave, and cannot be extended. She married within 90 days, which allowed her to stay and adjust her status. After 90 days everyone who looked at her documents thought she was an illegal alien who overstayed her visa, and no one would accept a receipt for adjustment of status as proof of lawful presence.

We lucked out in that we weren't required to go through an interview. Most couples applying for change of status wait a few months for the paperwork to be approved, then wait another 12 months for the interview. Meanwhile, the hapless fiancé/spouse who followed all the laws has expired documents, can't get a SSN, drivers license, government benefits, etc.

Originally Posted by ALIPAC

"They're using immigration as an intimidation tool against workers who are finally standing up for their rights," said Eduardo Pena, a coordinator for the union, which has long complained about what it contends are unsafe working conditions at the plant.

Unsafe working conditions? How safe would their job be if they were working back home making a fraction of the pay?

This is a prime example of a Union exploiting workers to get their foot in the door. The plant is currently a non-union operation.

Apparently a large percentage of the workers are illegal immigrants, who naturally are very afraid the will be fired and perhaps deported.

Along comes the Union promising they can organize the workers and block management from firing illegal workers. Never mind that the company has to follow the law and will be fined big $$$ if they knowingly hire or continue to employ illegal immigrants. As long as the Union is voted to represent the workers, the Union has what it wants and to H--- with the workers!

Doesn't that defeat the point of hiring illegals in the first place? It is driving the costs up.

Beginning in October 1994, section 245(i) of the INA allowed illegal residents who were eligible for immigrant status to remain in the United States and adjust to permanent resident status by applying at an INS office and paying an additional penalty fee. Section 245(i) is no longer available unless the alien is the beneficiary of a petition under section 204 of the Act or of an application for a labor certification under section 212(a)(5)(A), filed on or before April 30, 2001. And, if filed after January 1, 1998, the alien must have been present in the United States on December 21, 2000. Prior to October 1994, most illegal residents were required to leave the United States and acquire a visa abroad from the Department of State as they are again now.

http://immigration.about.com/cs/immi...tStatusUSA.htm

Looks to me like a marriage visa allows a citizen to marry an alien. The Visa gives no right to the alien to remain in the United States pending an adjustment of status. Such spouse would technically be in the US illegally and a receipt for application for adjustment should not be considered as being in the country legally. Such spouse would be an illegal alien disregarding our law.

The section you quoted is one that applied to illegal aliens for a temporary period, allowing them to apply for permanent resident status after paying a $1,000 penalty.

There are various sections of the INA and CFR governing adjustment of status (AOS) to lawful permanent resident (LPR), including special provisions governing immediate family members and fiancés of U.S. Citizens.

Here's a link to Immigration's web page describing who can and cannot adjust status to LPR.
www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis

Key points related to families:
Fiancés and their minor dependents are only required to leave the U.S. if the fiancé doesn't marry the U.S. citizen who sponsored them for the visas. If the fiancé marries the petitioner within 90 days they're considered immigrants and can do the AOS to LPR.
www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem

Any alien, including immediate family members, who entered without being inspected (i.e. jumped the fence) cannot adjust status to LPR without leaving and reentering legally, getting the required visas, etc.

An alien who becomes an immediate family member who entered lawfully but overstayed their visa can still adjust their status, unless they were in deportation proceedings when they became immediate family. Immediate family members are not considered to have unlawful presence. Unlawful presence is not counted for minors, who are not considered responsible for their actions.

Other than immediate family, Aliens who fail to maintain their status by overstaying, working without authorization, or otherwise violating status are inadmissable, and barred from adjusting status or obtaining another visa. Overstayers who accumulate 180 days of unlawful presence are barred from the U.S. for 3 years, and accumulating a year of unlawful presence results in a 10 year bar.

For non-family adjustment of status, days of unlawful presence are not counted when there's a properly filed adjustment of status pending, so non-family nonimmigrants who file a non-trivial application before their authorized stay expires are not unlawfully present while Immigration processes their application.

This is just a general summary. The actual rules are more complicated than this, and that's the reason police being trained to enforce immigration law need eight weeks of training.