Would Trump really build his wall? (ALIPAC)

Would Trump really build his wall?

Tuesday, May 17, 2016
| Chad Groening (OneNewsNow.com)


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An immigration enforcement activist says even though he's endorsing Donald Trump in the presidential election, he isn't sure that if elected the billionaire businessman will follow through on his promise to build a wall along the Mexican border.


One of the key elements to Trump's rise in popularity among many in the GOP faithful is his pledge to build a wall along the Mexican border to stop illegal immigrants flooding into the U.S. Critics have been skeptical of Trump's pledge, including his claim that he will get the Mexican government to pay for it.


William Gheen, president of Americans for Legal Immigration PAC, tells OneNewsNow that ALIPAC will hold Trump accountable to keeping his promises.


"We have no way of telling whether Donald Trump will or will not keep his promises,” he says. “But since we have endorsed him, we can always drop endorsement. And I promised the people that if Donald Trump begins to break any of his major promises to the American public, ALIPAC will be the first to drop our endorsement. ALIPAC will be the first to go after him with all the fury and force we can carry."

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According to Gheen, there are many different ways to make Mexico pay for the wall.


“[The options range] from stopping the remittances that they send home and stopping the IRS from giving out over four billion dollars worth of earned income credit to Mexican illegal immigrants each year, to tariffs and other things," he says.

On its website ALIPAC has posted a "Top 10 Ways" to make Mexico pay for the wall.



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He can't build the wall unless Congress votes to fund the wall.

No money. No wall.

I am actually not that thrilled with the idea of building a wall. It would cost a lot of money and would do little to stop illegal immigration. What we really need is for laws to be enforced in the interior, especially in the workplace (mandatory E-Verify, SSN-No Matching, etc.). This would deny illegals jobs, and with no way to make a living they would likely leave. I think any talk of a wall is a major distraction from more important issues regarding illegal immigration.

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I am actually not that thrilled with the idea of building a wall. It would cost a lot of money and would do little to stop illegal immigration . . .

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It would do nothing to prevent small boats from dropping people off in the middle of the night along the thousands of miles of coastline along the Gulf of Mexico, Atlantic and Pacific.

Top Trump Surrogate Says Border Wall and Mass Deportation Will Be "Virtual"

The wall is just a symbol of the problem of illegal immigration, it is a flagship of what Trump claims to represent. He has also said that he would restrict Muslim immigration. He has said many, many things about illegal immigration. It is NOT just politics to him, this is very clear.

The only way to confront illegal immigration is by confronting illegals who are here now. One of the things he has said he would do is throw out the illegals who are here now. And this is really the only thing we have to do -- and even Trump as president can't do it all by himself. It will take a lot of people working to do this and making sure that it is done. Building a wall against the Mexicans is not going to do the job to prevent any more illegals from coming. It's not just the Mexicans. It is the Chinese, the Canadians and increasingly, the Middle East that is a source of illegal and illicit immigration. And the only reason they keep coming here is because they know that once they get here, nobody will try to throw them out. If we start throwing them out, after a jail term in the more aggravating cases, they will quit coming here.

We have to do both, we have to secure our border against illegal immigration and we must secure the interior against the presence of illegal immigrants. Don't get stuck on a single wall as being the litmus test of Trump's stand on illegal immigration.

We can never stop illegal immigration without a full deportation of illegal aliens already in the country. Illegal aliens already in the country are the primary lure to others. They are part of the networks, the safety nets, the drug cartels, the criminal enterprises, the labor camps, all of it. They are the lure, the number one lure, and that lure must be removed whatever it takes, by all means necessary.

What Would It Take for Donald Trump to Deport 11 Million and Build a Wall?

By JULIA PRESTON, ALAN RAPPEPORT and MATT RICHTERMAY 19, 2016


Big promises are to be expected from presidential candidates, but reality often intrudes. The elder George Bush broke the “no new taxes” pledge that helped lead to his election. And Barack Obama’s administration has yet to live up to his prediction that his nomination would go down in history as the moment “when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.”

Donald J. Trump’s vow to restore what he says is America’s lost luster, while perhaps not as flowery, comes with campaign promises that are equally grandiose. But Mr. Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee, has typically provided scant details on how he might make good on his promises — and ambitious ideas, even the concrete kind, do not always add up.

Central to Mr. Trump’s campaign, and to his national security strategy, is his intent to clamp down on illegal immigration, using a vast deportation “force” to relocate people to the other side of a wall, funded by Mexico, that would stretch nearly the length of the southern border.

Mr. Trump has suggested he will flesh out his ideas in a forthcoming speech. But experts across many fields who have analyzed his plans so far warn that they would come at astronomical costs — whoever paid — and would in many ways defy the logic of science, engineering and law.

Mass deportations: Adding chaos to dysfunction

Mr. Trump has a simple plan to reduce the population of 11 million immigrants living illegally in the United States: Deport them.

How? He says he would follow the example of the military-style roundups authorized by President Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1954. The initiative, known as Operation Wetback, expelled hundreds of thousands of Mexicans.

Mr. Trump contends that the start of deportations would show immigrants he meant business and prompt many to leave on their own, and that it would take about two years to finish the job. There, the specifics end.

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Immigrants crossing from Mexico into Roma, Tex., last month. CreditJohn Moore/Getty Images

Former senior immigration and border officials are skeptical, to put it mildly. Deportations have peaked recently at about 400,000 a year, so the increase in scale to reach Mr. Trump’s goal would be exponential. And many legal procedures and constitutional constraints on the police did not exist in the Eisenhower era.

“I can’t even begin to picture how we would deport 11 million people in a few years where we don’t have a police state, where the police can’t break down your door at will and take you away without a warrant,” said Michael Chertoff, who led a significant increase in immigration enforcement as the secretary of Homeland Security under President George W. Bush.

Finding those immigrants would be difficult, experts said. Police officers across the country would need to ask people for proof of residency or citizenship during traffic stops and street encounters. The Border Patrol would need highway checkpoints across the Southwest and near the Canadian border. To avoid racial profiling, any American could expect to be stopped and asked for papers.

To achieve millions of deportations, the Obama administration’s focus on deporting serious criminals would have to be scrapped, said Julie Myers Wood, a director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, also known as ICE, under Mr. Bush. “You would not care if the person had a criminal record,” she said.

Large-scale raids, rare under Mr. Obama, would resume at farms, factories, restaurants and construction sites, with agents arresting hundreds of workers and poring over company records. And prosecutors would bring criminal charges against employers hiring unauthorized immigrants.

Mr. Trump has said he would triple ICE’s deportation officers, to 15,000 from about 5,000. But even if that could be accomplished quickly — difficult given the vetting and training required — it would still be insufficient, experts said. The F.B.I. and other agencies would have to set aside some of their missions to help.

John Sandweg, who led ICE for seven months under Mr. Obama, said wholesale deportations could make it easier for immigrant gang members and drug traffickers to escape detection. “If the agents are looking for volume, they won’t spend the time to do the detective work tracking down the high-value bad guy who has fake documents, the hardened criminals in the shadows,” he said.

To prevent flight after arrest, the authorities would have to detain most immigrants awaiting deportation. Existing facilities, with about 34,000 beds, would have to be expanded to hold at least 300,000, Mr. Sandweg estimated, perhaps with tens of thousands of people in detention camps, similar to the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II.

Most deportations must be approved by judges. But backlogs in the 57 immigration courts are already severe, with waits as long as two years for a first hearing. The federal government would have to open dozens of emergency courts and hire hundreds of judges, shortcutting the painstaking selection process.

The millions of immigrants from Central American countries, China, the Philippines, India and other noncontiguous nations would have to be flown home at the federal government’s expense. Arranging flights would in itself be a huge and very costly task.

At the border, where illegal crossings have fallen to the lowest levels since the 1970s, the Border Patrol would face a rush of newly deported immigrants trying to return, experts said. “Many of these people have been here for decades,” said David V. Aguilar, who was the chief of the Border Patrol and then the commissioner of Customs and Border Protection. “We should expect an immediate effort to reunify with the family left behind.”

Mr. Aguilar said a surge of returning deportees could divert the Border Patrol from the fine-tuned hunt for terrorists trying to infiltrate the country, now its top priority.

Ms. Wood said mass deportations would add chaos to a dysfunctional immigration system.

By any tally, the costs would be enormous. The American Action Forum, a conservative-leaning research group, calculated the federal outlay to be at least $400 billion, and then only if the deportations were stretched over 20 years.

But the proposals’ main flaw, former officials said, is that they are unrealistic. “Unless you suspend the Constitution and instruct the police to behave as if we live in North Korea,” Mr. Chertoff said, “it ain’t happening.”

The wall: Big, beautiful and impractical

Mr. Trump has promised that the wall will be big, beautiful, tall and strong. Spanning 1,000 miles along the southern border, it will stem the flow of immigrants bringing drugs and crime. And, yes, Mexico will pay for the Great Wall of Trump, as he has called it.

But the wall — symbolic of an iron-fisted immigration policy and providing a rallying cry for his supporters — has proved to be as divisive in theory as it would be in practice. And experts in domestic security, immigration policy and civil engineering say that building it would be a daunting task and cause more problems than it would solve.

Mr. Trump has shared few details. He has said that the wall would be built from precast concrete and steel and that it could be 50 feet tall, if not higher. After calling for it to extend across the entire 2,000-mile southern border, he more recently said half that length could be sufficient because of natural barriers. He has pegged the cost at $4 billion to $12 billion, most recently settling on around $10 billion.

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A Border Patrol agent at a gap in the border fence in Hidalgo, Tex., in 2013. CreditKirsten Luce for The New York Times

Some see that as low. “There’s a lot of logistics involved in this, and I don’t know how thoroughly they’ve thought it out,” said Todd Sternfeld, chief executive of Superior Concrete, a Texas-based builder of walls. “The resources alone would be astronomical.”

Mr. Sternfeld, who has led major wall projects across the country and approached the Trump family last summer, suggested that Mr. Trump was overly optimistic about the cost and was underestimating the complexity of the undertaking.

Running the numbers, Mr. Sternfeld said a 40-foot-tall concrete wall using a “post and panel” system that went 10 feet below the ground — to minimize tunneling — would cost at least $26 billion. The logistics would be nightmarish, including multiple concrete casting sites and temporary housing for a crew of 1,000 workers if the job were to be completed within Mr. Trump’s first four-year term.

Maintenance would be an additional recurring expense, said Walter W. Boles, an engineering professor at Middle Tennessee State University who specializes in concrete construction. Deep trench work would also be necessary for keeping a wall of that height from toppling, he said, and seismic sensors to detect digging would be wise for preserving its integrity from below.

“That’s one heck of a construction project,” said Mr. Boles, who assessed Patrick J. Buchanan’s 1996 proposal for a border barrier. “It’s certainly a lot more ambitious than I was imagining.”

The most common benchmark used for assessing Mr. Trump’s wall is the fencing that already exists at the border. In 2006, the Bush administration signed the Secure Fence Act, and $2.4 billion was spent to construct 670 miles of fencing over three years, according to a 2009 Government Accountability Office report. Many Republicans, including Mr. Trump, have argued that the fence turned out to be too porous, with much of it designed to keep out only vehicles, not pedestrians.

Thad Bingel, the chief of staff at Customs and Border Protection during the Bush administration, said the fence offered a cautionary tale. It became mired in lawsuits and environmental controversies that sowed deep anger along the border, and required the extensive use of eminent domain, a practice that Mr. Trump has been criticized for using to seize private properties for his big developments.

A wall would be even more complicated, requiring redirection of water so that concrete could be mixed on location, difficult work on rocky terrain and a potential disruption of archaeological sites. Also, Mr. Bingel said, a solid wall could hamper border agents by blocking their view of the wall’s other side.

Setting aside the need for congressional approval and a likely fight with Mexico over financing, many who study borders doubt that a mass of concrete would accomplish its purpose. From the ancient Great Wall of China to Israel’s modern security barrier, walls rarely prove totally impervious to people set on traversing them.

Walls tend to be crude solutions to complex problems and are evidence of geopolitical failure, said Michael Dear, a professor at the University of California, Berkeley, who specializes in the border with Mexico.

“People always find a way to go above or below or through a wall,” said Professor Dear, the author of “Why Walls Won’t Work.” “It’s just political window dressing and rabble-rousing of the worst order.”

Maintaining water supplies: A diplomatic challenge

What about the water?

Billions of gallons flow between the United States and Mexico, funneling lifeblood to farms and communities on both sides of the border. The Colorado River sends water south; the Rio Grande, a natural boundary for hundreds of miles, delivers precious water from Mexico, through dozens of canals, to much of South Texas.

Water experts in the Southwest question how Mr. Trump’s border wall could accommodate those crucial flows and still provide the barrier he wants.

Another complication is that a nearly 50-year-old treaty between Mexico and the United States prevents any construction that obstructs or diverts the flow of the waterways. The wall, in other words, could not interfere in any way with the flow of water in either direction.

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A section of the Rio Grande in 2013. CreditJohn Moore/Getty Images

“We’ve been joking: How big does the hole in the wall have to be to let the water run through it?” said Patricia Mulroy, a Brookings Institution senior fellow and former Nevada water official.

One option would be a wire fence, but that would catch all sorts of trash. “There are going to be consequences for any kind of fence you build,” said Gabriel Eckstein, a water law expert at Texas A&M University.

Asked whether the proposed wall might impede water flows, Hope Hicks, a Trump spokeswoman, did not directly respond. “The proposal speaks for itself,” she said, adding that details could be found on Mr. Trump’s website. But the site does not address water flows.

Complicated environmental science and a fraught diplomatic history await anyone seeking to determine how to build a wall that cuts off the flow of people without violating the nation’s water treaty obligations.

Experts on those subjects, in interviews, were skeptical that one would ever be built. They speculated that the financial and political challenges were too great, among other reasons.

With the will and the financial wherewithal, though, an engineering solution can be found, said Sally Spener, the United States secretary for the International Boundary and Water Commission, which manages the water relationship between Mexico and the United States.

But she acknowledged longstanding and delicate water-sharing issues between the United States and Mexico — a point emphasized by Michael Connor, deputy secretary of the Interior Department, who has worked closely with Mexico on those subjects.

A wall could be built that accommodates water flows, Mr. Connor said, but “the question becomes, when does it become economically significant to address those issues?”

(Officials from the Bureau of Reclamation, which reports to Mr. Connor, said they could not quantify the cost given that they had not envisioned or studied such a project.)

A bigger concern, he said, was the addition of a potential major wrinkle into the delicate bilateral diplomacy over water sharing. “Any proposal that would threaten that relationship or trust we’ve built would concern me,” Mr. Connor said.

Several treaties, particularly one from 1944, outline rules for sharing water from the Colorado River, the Tijuana River and the Rio Grande.

It is a complex system that involves water flowing down the Colorado River through Nevada and Arizona into Mexico, and down the Rio Grande from New Mexico into Mexico, where it is replenished by major tributaries before turning to Texas. (On the United States side, the Rio Grande watershed alone includes well over four million people.)

The relationship has been strained by drought: Tensions have flared over the last 15 years when Texas accused Mexico of delivering insufficient supplies of water.

The Texas Commission of Environmental Quality, overseen by appointees of the governor, cited a 2013 Texas A&M study saying that Mexico’s failure to deliver its annual water allotment cost the state economy nearly 5,000 jobs and $400 million each year.

Mexico countered that it did not have the water because of drought — a position that some American environmentalists said was valid.

The issue was resolved this year when the United States, jointly with Mexico, said the water debt had been paid off. Separately, the United States and Mexico took five years, from 2007 to 2012, to reach a landmark agreement to fix canals and water delivery systems to cope with historic drought.

As part of that agreement, Mexico agreed to share some of its water supply from the Colorado River so that the water could be retained in Lake Mead, near the Nevada-Arizona border. That situation worked out well, highlighting friendly but delicate relations.

“I was there, and I know the hurdles we had to overcome to assure them we weren’t manipulating the system,” said Ms. Mulroy, from Brookings.

“We are dependent on the Mexicans trusting us,” she said. “ It’s an enormous diplomatic issue.”

With a wall, Ms. Mulroy said, “the chances of another cooperative agreement would be nil.”

What Would It Take for Donald Trump to Deport 11 Million and Build a Wall?

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As I have maintained, Trumps immigration solutions are everything to me when supporting him as a candidate. With respect to paying for the wall, I have wrote in the past we, the (US) should pay for it and just get it done. We as a country waste so much money on so many other garbage ideas that this one would save the country countless of billions of dollars each year from the adverse effects of drug use in this country (providing the wall had a material impact on the illegal flow of drugs into the country). Having the US pay for it would guarantee its construction and completion while leaving the more important issue (the actual construction of the wall) in tact. I have no tolerance for any back pedaling on the illegal immigration issue.

We can pay for it and be reimbursed by Mexico through the many different ways that have been offered up here and elsewhere. We've already wasted billions on cameras that didn't work, fencing they can climb over in 2 seconds carrying a huge backpack of marijuana, ICE that can't get it done, Border Patrol that's told not to get it done, etc., etc., etc.

joe s is right. We build the wall and at some point Mexico will pay for it. Trump will make Mexico pay for it. It's his Number One Goal. So everyone needs to get on board with the wall, enforcing our laws, deporting all illegal aliens, and pausing all immigration for at least 10 to 20 years until our country can recover and be back on top again .... in "EVERYTHING".

We're gonna win, win, win, win and win some more.

We have all talk, no action politicians who have hurt our country, but when we have all talk, no action citizens, we lose our country.

Lets take it back right here, right now and fight for it with words and actions, with money and spirit, and with that all so famous American Ingenuity.

LETS GO AMERICA! IT'S TIME FOR ACTION!

VOTE TRUMP!

RYAN'S GOTTA GO!

SCOTT BROWN FOR VP!

6/6/16

Texas Rep to Trump: Shove Border Wall ‘Up Your Ass’

Filemon Vela is a nasty, low-life pervert.

Brownsville is over-run with illegal aliens. Tell me why in the world a Congressman representing Brownsville would say such a thing about a wall that would stop illegal immigration into Texas? I'll tell you. All these nut-jobs who support illegal immigration and don't want any real action implemented to stop it are on the take with the drug cartels behind it.

Anyone got a better explanation, I'm all ears.

Get rid of him, Brownsville. He's selling you out every single day he's in the US Congress. In fact, I'd run him out of Texas if I were you.

Here are my thoughts on how President Donald Trump can discourage illegal immigration and reduce the cost of building the wall at the same time. He can ask congress to pass two laws:

1) Illegal immigration is a criminal offense that is punishable up to six months in jail. Of course this does not apply to minors.

2) Every day that any illegal immigrant volunteers to help build the border fence and border wall will have their prison sentence reduced by six days. They will not be paid.

Illegal immigrants who want to be free sooner will help to build the wall. Immigrants who do not help build the border fence will face 180 days in prison, but those that do help build the fence will serve 30 days in prison.

After the fence is build, this “chain gang” would build a “wall” made from the local natural materials. Villages in Mexico build the walls for their houses using the local material on the land such as rocks and clay. Illegal immigrants who volunteer to help build the wall can use the materials that they find to construct it.

The immigrants will live in "tent cities" near their work site, and they will help construct the tent cities also. Having television images of illegal immigrants working on the wall will help discourage a lot of foreigners thinking about breaking into the United States. The cost of building the wall and the fence will drop because of the free labor. Their punishment will be cheaper since their sentence will be dropped from six months to one month.

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Here are my thoughts on how President Donald Trump can discourage illegal immigration and reduce the cost of building the wall at the same time. He can ask congress to pass two laws:
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I like your attitude, but we need good high tech walls that require better skills then provide by illegal immigrants. If illegal immigrants are building our walls, there is also a good possibility that they would fool with the walls to make them penetrable by other illegals.

Working is a privilege in prisons and also requires mobility, something that illegals cannot be trusted with in jail. No parole for illegals either, they would just run back across the border.

Thanks for your comments Pkskyali. The company contracted to build the fence and wall would have inspectors to verify that they were being constructed correctly. If it appears that one of the prisoners is sabotaging the project, they have the authority to send him back to the regular prison without any reduction in his prison sentence.

There would be technicians from the company to install any high tech equipment. All of them would be United States citizens.

They will not be able to "run" across the border. Some of them will be enclosed in the "tent city" making bricks for the wall. Everyone outside of the city will be wearing a ball-in-chains or tethered to a post in the ground.

After spending 30 days in the hot sun, from early morning to night time, I do not believe we will see a lot of returning illegal immigrants. Most of them would not want to go through that experience again. And even if they do, they will have a wall and two fences to deal with. Each time we catch them in the United States illegally, their prison sentence will double the previous sentence. One year, two years, four years, more??? Yes, I know, I am wicked. :)

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Again, I'm sure we all appreciate your attitude, but try to keep on the practical end of solutions. Avoid indulging yourself in fantasy, no matter how gratifying it might be to all of us.

Ending illegal immigration and removing illegal immigrants has got to happen and not just because it is an aggravation. Illegal immigration is not just an aggravation, it is a very real threat, not just to this country, but to all freedom loving peoples and their nations everywhere.

Be serious.

Jeb Bush: Donald Trump's supporters will feel 'betrayed'

By Rachel Chason, CNN
Updated 3:13 PM ET, Mon July 11, 2016

(CNN)Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush predicted Monday that Donald Trump's supporters will feel "betrayed" when his campaign promises fail to become reality.

"I think people are really going to feel betrayed,"Bush told MSNBC's Nicolle Wallace of his former 2016 rival. "There isn't going to be a wall built. And Mexico's not going to pay for it. And there's not going to be a ban on Muslims."

Trump's former rival -- who has said he will not vote for Trump and does not plan to attend the Republican National Convention -- said the presumptive nominee is living in an "alternate universe that he created."

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"People are going to be deeply frustrated and the divides will grow in our country," Bush said, in his first public remarks since Trump become the GOP's presumptive nominee.

Bush gave Trump credit in one area: his understanding of the media.

"He's a master at understanding how the media works -- more than anybody I've ever seen in politics," Bush said. "Kudos (to) him for kind of creating the environment and then manipulating the environment."

READ: Jeb Bush breaks his silence, calls for a contested convention

Trump has not shied away from Bush's past criticism, telling supporters at a rally in June that he wasn't afraid of efforts among Republicans -- which he accused Bush of leading -- to deny him the nomination at the convention in Cleveland.

"I love competition like that," Trump said. "I love it."

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Trump now says he plans to legalize some undocumented immigrants

Trump never said he may legalize some illegal aliens. EVER.

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Trump never said he may legalize some illegal aliens. EVER.

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He most certainly has!

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Trump Campaign said the Univision article was false. Trump himself said it was false. Hispanics at the meeting said the article was false. Trump didn't say what the headline says he said.

It's a LIE!!

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No he has not!! Under US law, deported illegal aliens can re-apply to re-enter after a period of time. Some 3 years, some 10 years. That is the law.

But whatever. This fabricated media scam led by Kellyanne Conway is going to cost Trump the election. So just get ready for Madame President. You perpetuate a lie as many times as it has been perpetuated here and as many times as it's been perpetuated in the MEDIA since Sunday, it becomes accepted by the electorate as the truth. That doesn't win open border voters, it costs you the electorate who believed in Donald Trump and now erroneously based on a CORRUPT MEDIA SCAM to paint him as a liar and a fraud, believe he can't be trusted.