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    SHOULD CHURCHES OFFER SANCTUARY TO ILLEGAL ALIENS? : CLOSED



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    Long Beach church offers sanctuary to undocumented mother

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    Hundreds of Escondido students do not graduate

    Hundreds of students fail to make it to graduation day

    By: SHAYNA CHABNER - Staff Writer

    ESCONDIDO ---- Just over 2,000 teenagers walked onto the city's three comprehensive high school campuses four years ago as freshmen. Nearly 700 of them were not there to say goodbye at last month's graduations.

    Educators largely attribute these numbers to social and economic obstacles at play in the community and a student's perception of school. The percentage varies little throughout Escondido Union School District's three major campuses ---- San Pasqual, Orange Glen and Escondido ---- and is almost unchanged from the district's class of 1997.

    "The majority of the time, they don't feel like they are going to be a part of anything great," said Christian Ortiz, 16, an incoming junior at Orange Glen who has watched many friends drop out of the system before graduating. "A lot of them are sick of it."



    Where'd they go?

    There are many reasons a student leaves a school.

    A change in the financial stability or living situation of a student are two of the leading causes that families cite as influencing their students' ability to attend a particular school, said Sharon von Maier, the district's director of curriculum and assessment.

    That often includes rising housing prices, a general high cost of living and even the loss of a parent's job, von Maier said.

    In a community such as Escondido, where there is a large transient population ---- made up primarily of military and immigrant families ---- San Pasqual Principal Martin Griffin said that can also create a very high mobility rate, where students are moving in and out of the district on a regular basis.

    "They go out of the district, out of the state, out to Mexico," von Maier said, adding that those students who stay within the district boundaries may choose to pick up their education at one of the alternative campuses or Palomar College because of the flexibility.
    Tracking where students are headed ---- which may also shed light on why they are leaving ---- however, is an almost impossible feat, she said.

    Currently, there is no overarching computerized system that documents students' progress through the public education system. Counselors and school officials depend on student reports on where they are headed and the possible transcript request from other districts to determine if a student is continuing their education elsewhere.

    A statewide identifying system that will track students with an individual 10-digit number ---- similar to a Social Security number ---- is supposed to in place for the 2008-09 school year, von Maier said.

    "Once that is in place, it will be a much easier job to identify these students and where they are going, and are they actually finishing," she said. "(Right now,) trying to give you something current is like trying to put your finger on Jell-O."

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    A side effect to having a student body that is constantly flowing and changing, von Maier added, is that you have students who aren't tied to the school or even their education.

    That's where a student's and his or her family's perception of the importance of school can really be a key factor in whether or not that student makes it to graduation day, said Jonathan Russell, a program specialist with Escondido Education COMPACT, which stands for "creating opportunities, making partnerships and connecting teens."

    "Students don't necessarily see the value of a high school diploma ---- that it translates to a better-paying job or a more successful career," Russell said.

    And if they aren't making that link, he added, when other distractions, like friends, gangs and even economic issues come into the picture, school takes a back seat.

    "They just don't see the point," said Ortiz, a high school student at Orange Glen who is now on track to graduate in two years, after wondering for some time if getting an education was worthwhile or not.

    "I just remember that it didn't seem that great to me at all," he said.

    When students get to high school, and the schools are larger, the courses are more difficult and there is less one-on-one attention, Ortiz added, many students just give up and consider education a lost cause. He too, would have done the same thing, Ortiz said, if he had not joined clubs, built connections and found role models that told him differently.

    "I think that they would have to see and accept the fact if they don't graduate they aren't going to do anything," he said.

    Staying on track

    That's the same message, district and school officials said they are trying to send home to families and reinforce through programming that guides students through the four years of curriculum.

    From communicating to parents about the importance of a stable, continuous education to providing students with credit recovery options and additional classes for them to catch up on course work, the district's high schools have implemented a multitude of programs and ideas, Escondido High Principal Sue Emerson said.

    "We know that we need to actively seek out ways for our school to make connections," she said.

    Some of the programs that Escondido High has found to be effective, Emerson added, are the academic support programs that target incoming freshmen, and a student mentoring club where juniors and seniors guide incoming freshmen.

    As a result, the district's largest high school has slowly begun to chip away at the percentage of students it loses in the four-year period.

    The 2003 graduating class of 368 students at Escondido High was down by 248 students, or 40 percent, from its freshman year class of 616 students. In the 2007 graduating class, that loss had been reduced to about 35 percent, with 472 students graduating out of a 723-student freshman class in 2003.

    Orange Glen and San Pasqual, on the other hand, have seen those figures waver more, with a slight increase in the percentage of students leaving school before graduating. This year, about 245 students from the 2003 freshman class at San Pasqual and 319 students from Orange Glen were not there on graduation day.

    The overall loss of students in the district, however, was lower because 129 seniors graduated from Center City and Valley high schools.

    Both schools have implemented similar programs to those running at Escondido High and administrators said they think the statistics will show them to be effective in coming classes, as more students make the transition from freshmen to sophomore, sophomore to junior, and junior to senior.

    "Our classes, our graduating classes, are going to be getting larger," Griffin said.

    Another factor in the coming years, Griffin said, will be the board's recently approved plan to build learning centers on each of the three comprehensive classes. The centers will provide students with credit recovery and independent study programs from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m.

    The goal, von Maier said, is to catch the kids before they fall too far behind, while allowing them to retrace their steps and finish course work without having to change schools.

    "We are looking at ways for students to earn multiple credits or more credits, so that they don't have to transfer," von Maier said. "We believe that they will be less likely to move through the system and maybe leave down the road."

    Contact staff writer Shayna Chabner at (760) 740-5416 or schabner@nctimes.com.
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    That picture is wrong. The illegal aliens are breaking at least 3 Commandments.

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    As far as I'm concerned, this is participation in politics and should cost them their tax exempt status!

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