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    Re: hero

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    when did obama become a hero ?

    If they wanted heros, why racists like oprah winfrey, or adulterers like kobe bryant ?

    how about real heros, real american war heros......men like the tuskegee airmen not only were they the first black fighter pilots, but if memory serves, while running bomber escort, they never lost a bomber
    They were brave heros but it was an urban myth that they never lost a bomber, which has been disproved.

    Controversy over escort record

    While it had long been said that the Redtails were the only fighter group who never lost a bomber to enemy fighters,[13] suggestions to the contrary, combined with Air Force records and eyewitness accounts indicating that at least 25 bombers were lost to enemy fire,[14] resulted in the Air Force conducting a reassessment of the history of the unit in late 2006.

    The claim that no bomber escorted by the Tuskegee Airmen had ever been lost to enemy fire first appeared on March 24, 1945, in the Chicago Defender, under the headline "332nd Flies Its 200th Mission Without Loss." According to the March 28, 2007, Air Force report, however, some bombers under 332nd Fighter Group escort protection were shot down on the very day the Chicago Defender article was published.[15][16][17][18] The subsequent report, based on after-mission reports filed by both the bomber units and Tuskegee fighter groups as well as missing air crew records and witness testimony, was released in March 2007 and documented 25 bombers shot down by enemy fighter aircraft while being escorted by the Tuskegee Airmen.[19]

    Men of the 332nd Fighter Group attend a briefing in Italy in 1945.The St. Petersburg Times in 2008 quoted a historian at the Air Force Historical Research Agency as confirming the loss of up to 25 bombers. Disputing this, a professor at the National Defense University said he researched more than 200 Tuskegee Airmen mission reports and found no bombers were lost to enemy fighters. Bill Holloman, a Tuskegee airman who taught black studies at the University of Washington and now chairs the Airmen's history committee, was reported by the Times as saying his review of records did confirm lost bombers, but "the Tuskegee story is about pilots who rose above adversity and discrimination and opened a door once closed to black America — not about whether their record is perfect."[20]

    One mission report states that on July 26, 1944: "1 B-24 seen spiraling out of formation in T/A (target area) after attack by E/A (enemy aircraft). No chutes seen to open." A second report, dated August 31, 1944, praises group commander Colonel Davis by saying he "so skillfully disposed his squadrons that in spite of the large number of enemy fighters, the bomber formation suffered only a few losses."[21]

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    thanks for that, I still believe they are better heros than sports figures, I appreciate having the info I had corrected

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    I like the way Pappy Boyington put it,

    "Show me a hero, and I'll show you a bum".

    He had no illusions. But then strapped into an F4U1A and usually outnumbered by the Zekes from Rabaul, I guess you would learn to live without illusions.

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    Three Los Angeles school teachers have been suspended for giving children pictures of O.J. Simpson, Dennis Rodman and RuPaul to carry in a Black History Month parade.
    I suppose it could have been worse. They could have had Louis Farrakhan, Al Sharpton and the Rev.Wright. Viewed from that perspective, RuPaul doesn't sound so bad! Although having a child hold up the picture of the thug and butcher OJ Simpson is a complete disgrace.

    In any event, you would think that teachers within a district that has such a high drop out rate would have better sense. I guess not.
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    . . . I still believe they are better heros than sports figures . . .
    I agree with that 100%.
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    NoBueno wrote:

    suppose it could have been worse. They could have had Louis Farrakhan, Al Sharpton and the Rev.Wright.
    What makes you think they didn't?

    A few good choices (off the top of my head):

    George Washington Carver, Alex Haley, Rosa Parks, Jesse Owens, Booker T. Washington, Mae Jemison, Jackie Robinson, and Barbara Jordan would have been good choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MW

    A few good choices (off the top of my head):

    George Washington Carver, Alex Haley
    Alex Haley pledgarized and fabricated much of the book "Roots".

    How about Thomas Sowell, Dori Miller, or John R. Fox.
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    Re: HONOR THIS MAN

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    I really like this gentleman. I would honor him no matter what color anyone says he is...Neil is a great guy.

    http://www.haydenplanetarium.org/tyson/
    Tbow009, you are the man. I LOVE Neil DeGrasse Tyson. I particularly love how he can so easily destroy smug atheists like Richard Dawkins, because hardline idiot atheist scientists like Dawkins are being proved wrong with projects like CERN that are actually proving God exists. I just wish religion could co-exist with the actual science that is being proven in recent years without the flat out denial by bible thumpers. The religious, including christians AND muslims have closed their minds so much, that proven science can't sway their beliefs. Once that happens, the atheists are finally given their proof that yes, there is a conscience that is controlling things (as seen at the sub-atomic level) and that can only show that it is God, or a creator of some sort, and the religious are shown that their book is actually written by man to understand the life they knew 2000+ years ago.

    For those of you that have to clue what I am saying, watch this from Michio Kaku http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39qmbl7mpJQ
    Tell me God isn't bigger than what people tend to think he is. Talk about humble.
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