Thread: Advocates of splitting California into six states gathering signatures

Why the heck 6 states? I see that as a clear attempt for stronger liberal control of the House and Senate. I could see cutting it into 2-3 states but no more. But 2-3 states would leave 1, probably 2 strongly Conservative/Republican.

California, the most populous state in the United States and third largest in area, has been the subject of more than 220 proposals to divide it into multiple states^[1] including at least 27 serious proposals.^[2] In addition, there have been various calls for the restoration of the California Republic, which would entail secession from the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partiti..._in_California

Whats Cali's population though w/o Immigrants, illegal aliens, and anchor babies? Those sort of things are what should be looked at. US Citizens are meant to elect our leaders, and in doing so pick our laws. But if a state like Cali gets to split into many states when 1/2 the population or more don't have the legal right to vote or should of never been in the country in the first place it would doom the rest of us.

We really need the US Census to differentiate between Citizen, Legal Immigrant, and Illegal Alien. Representation should ONLY be split based on Citizens.

Originally Posted by ReformUSA2012

Whats Cali's population though w/o Immigrants, illegal aliens, and anchor babies? Those sort of things are what should be looked at. US Citizens are meant to elect our leaders, and in doing so pick our laws. But if a state like Cali gets to split into many states when 1/2 the population or more don't have the legal right to vote or should of never been in the country in the first place it would doom the rest of us.

We really need the US Census to differentiate between Citizen, Legal Immigrant, and Illegal Alien. Representation should ONLY be split based on Citizens.

Anchor babies are U.S. citizens under current Federal Laws.
They shouldn't be, but the are.
California has no say in that matter.
Legal immigrants have the ability to become U.S. citizens under Federal Law.
California has no say in that matter.
Federal laws count all people in the census.
California has no say in that matter.
It is the Federal Governments responsibility to control the border.
They do a very poor job of it.
The Federal Government says all kids must be given an education, at taxpayer expense.
No state can get out of it.
Federal laws say anchor babies are eligible for welfare, foodstamps , medicare , etc.
No state has a say in any of these matters.
Looks like the Federal Government is responsible for all of these problems.

There have been more than 220 attempts to split CA.
None of them have worked.
And this one won't either.

California, the most populous state in the United States and third largest in area, has been the subject of more than 220 proposals to divide it into multiple states^[1] including at least 27 serious proposals.^[2] In addition, there have been various calls for the restoration of the California Republic, which would entail secession from the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partiti..._in_California

Advocates for splitting California into six states verify signatures

CAPTIONTom KnorrTerry Chea / Associated Press
Tom Knorr holds a State of Jefferson flag in Corning, Calif. The idea of forming their own state has been a topic among local secession dreamers for more than a century in the state.


CAPTIONState of Jefferson FlagFrancine Orr / Los Angeles Times
Molly Kelley, 62, of Klamath River, holds up a State of Jefferson flag as she folds it inside the Klamath River Community Hall in California.


CAPTIONState of Jefferson flagFrancine Orr / Los Angeles Times
Molly Kelley, 62, of Klamath River, holds up a State of Jefferson flag as she folds it on Nov. 20, 2013.


CAPTIONYrekaJeff Chiu / Associated Press
Pedestrians cross Miner Street in Yreka, Calif. Yreka, the would-be capital of the State of Jefferson, began as part publicity stunt, part political gesture.


CAPTIONSiskiyou CountyFrancine Orr / Los Angeles Times
Main Street is quiet, with very little traffic, in the small town of Etna, Calif., in scenic rural Scott Valley, in Siskiyou County. The county is one of several that backs separating much of Northern California into its own State of Jefferson.

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Advocates of splitting California into six states work to verify signatures from weekend petition drive

Proponents for a plan to split up California into a half-dozen separate states were working feverishly Monday to verify signatures gathered from across the state over the weekend in support of a petition to get the measure on the ballot, officials said.

[W]e are dedicated to challenging the status quo and are hopeful that Six Californias will be the much needed refresh for state government.- Anna Morris, spokeswoman for Six Californias

The Six Californias idea needs 808,000 signatures by July 18 to qualify for the ballot in two years. The idea is the brainchild of Timothy Draper, a venture capitalist from Menlo Park – or as he hopes to some day call it, the state of Silicon Valley.

Draper has sunk $2 million into signature gathering for the proposal. He maintains it will break bureaucratic deadlock in Sacramento (in the proposed state of North California) and attract more business.
"California has become the worst managed state in the country," he told The Times this spring. "It just is too big and too ungovernable."

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Draper said he has support from the Oregon border (proposed state of Jefferson) to San Diego (South California), but the plan has been given almost no chance of success by some experts and ridiculed by Democrats and Republicans alike.

Anna Morris, spokeswoman for Six Californias, said in an email Monday that it would take awhile to verify signatures gathered over the weekend, but that the group plans to release the tally once it's completed.

“For people who put our chances at zero, we say that we are dedicated to challenging the status quo and are hopeful that Six Californias will be the much needed refresh for state government,” she said.

Joe Rodota, the co-chair of OneCalifornia, an opposition group, downplayed the significance of getting signatures on a petition.


“This is just a process that pretty much any well-funded interest can pursue,” said Rodota, former cabinet secretary for Gov. Pete Wilson.

The real challenge, he said, is ballot approval and “it’s just very difficult to get a 'yes' vote historically.”

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...623-story.html

California is the most populous state and the third-largest state, geographically.

One of its 58 counties is larger geographically than the nine smallest U.S. states – and larger than the four smallest ones combined.

http://watchdog.org/142040/greenhut-split-california/