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What I have seen here is the same ire demonstrated by the left when President Trump says something like the MS-13 are animals. The left "heard" "all immigrants are animals." And they will not see the truth!
Maybe like that "Yanny vs Laurel" thing. We see/hear different things. But only one is true!
Our Republic was not born from laziness and can't do attitudes.
Our Republic was born without Photo ID.
Yep, and what was our country's population then? Changing times create new problems that must be dealt with accordingly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy
What "new problem" is that?
Medical care is not a right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy
GOOD...then why are OUR taxpayer dollars funding medical care for lazy breeders who don't work and have no insurance and illegal aliens who do not belong in our country? It should not be a right to provide it for any of them unless life or death situation.
They have NO RIGHT to our medical care then. Any taxpayer funded "business" including our own Federal and State Government offices should have mandatory E-verify and valid Government Issued ID card to ensure there is no fraud and they have NO right to free medical care.
These hospitals and Doctors offices ARE funded with OUR taxpayer money. And WE foot the bill and pay the high premiums for those who have NO RIGHT to medical care.
A Driver's License issued to an ILLEGAL ALIEN who has no right to be in this country, no right to drive on our roads and the State has NO right to issue those government licenses should not be acceptable as a form of ID.
Talk about setting a high bar! 8OQuote:
Originally Posted by Judy
When our republic was born, we didn't have internet to massively misinform people. We didn't have telephones, telegraph or even the Pony Express. We didn't have photography. We didn't have airplanes to transport us across the oceans in a matter of hours. We didn't have automobiles to transport us from city to city in a matter of hours.
People generally remained in the same town throughout their lives. Families were physically close. Registrars of voter generally knew the people who were voting, and they knew if they were supposed to be voting.
I know you asked "What 'new problem' is that?" Sorry that I gave you far more than you asked for.
Voting is a "right" granted by law. It is not a universal right granted by a creator. And as I pointed out, Constitutionally, it is not an absolute right. But it comes with it a responsibility. Among those responsibility is registering. If you don't register, you don't have the "right to vote". And registration requires proving who you claim to be and that you have the right to vote. Photo ID is one method used to verify the you are who you say you are!
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Originally Posted by jtdc
And we did not have Soros, Koch Brothers, the Demorats, MAYOR'S, GOVERNORS, JUDGES and Zuckerburg, creating apps to notify illegal aliens of ICE, how to vote, how to invade our country, LETTING THEM OUT OF JAIL, how to protest, get on a bus, how to steal ID's, sign up for free stuff, kill American's and get away with it...get paid for it and get your bought and paid for custom made signs to mouth off in our streets and wave THEIR countries FLAG!
Not to mention the BILLIONS of dollars from donors, lobbyists, and NWO creeps are pouring money into the pockets of our elected officials who are TRAITORS!
We also did not have the MASSIVE unrelenting invasion of our country by every despot on the face of the Earth coming here.
How do you all think Barry Sotero won the 2nd election? FRAUD...NOW UNSEAL HIS RECORDS AND EXPOSE HIM AND PELOSI HAND IN IT!
NO MORE REFUGEES, NO TPS, NO ILLEGAL ALIENS AND NO DAMN ASYLUM FOR ANYBODY!!!
I WANT ASYLUM FROM PAYING MY MONEY FOR THIS!!!
21 TRILLION IN DEBT
30 MILLION TO DEPORT
MASSIVE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS, SHOOTING OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS, DRUGS, POVERTY, RAPE CRIME, MURDER, GANGS AND DRUGS!!!
SHUT IS ALL DOWN!
AMERICAN'S FIRST, NATIONAL VOTER ID AND GET THESE FREAKING PEOPLE OUT OF HERE!
So, what is the "new problem" again? Telephones, airplanes, computers and citizens moving from place to place to find work are "new problems"? Those are not problems to most people, they are benefits and opportunities.Quote:
Originally Posted by jtdc
As to voter registration, every citizen is already required to register to vote in both federal and state elections or verify they're eligibility on voting day. American voter registration started in 1800 in Massachusetts. So this is not a new issue or a new requirement. American citizens who wish to vote are required to register to vote in 49 states, North Dakota is the only state that doesn't require voter registration, but still requires through other means, verification that you are a US citizen, 18 years of age, and a resident of North Dakota to vote. The purpose of voter registration proves who you are as well as other processes of verification for new voters like those used in North Dakota. If you move to another place for work, retirement or whatever, you have to register again in that new place in order to vote there or in North Dakota have sufficient information for them to verify your eligibility to vote in North Dakota.
As to when our republic was born and internet wasn't available to "massively misinform people", internet wasn't needed to do that. They successfully without any modern technology at all, "massively misinformed people" that blacks weren't people and women weren't smart enough to vote.
Finally, voting is in fact a right of US citizens 18 years or older protected by the US Constitution. That's why the US Constitution has been amended 3 times to protect the right of blacks, women and 18 year old citizens to vote and no state or Congress can change that.
Other than word of mouth they had little. Even printing presses had not been invented so mass pamphlets had to be created by hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beezer
Correct, medical care is a business service, that someone has to pay for, you or someone on your behalf, whether that's your chosen insurance company you pay to pay for you, a retirement program you pay into that is part of your employer contract or Medicare, a benefit program an employer pays for as a company employee benefit in lieu of wages, a poverty program funded by the government, a gift from a charity, or a service you pay for privately yourself or with the help of friends or family. It's a business service and always has been.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beezer
We have 12 states and DC who issue drivers licenses to illegal aliens. The other 38 states don't. Republicans and other common sense Americans who live in those 12 states and DC need to work hard to repeal those stupid laws to stop that absurd practice.
Yes! You must be a hermit! We have lawsuits about tapping phones and other communication devices. That problem didn't exist back when the country began. You had to be within earshot to eavesdrop!Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy
Airplanes? Back then it took weeks to cross the Atlantic for an invasion or for spies to communicated with the homeland. And look at how we have to have security for airplanes.
Computers? They had nothing like that that could hack polling places or FALSIFY IDENTITIES!
You mean just anybody can't just walk in and vote? And here you said it is a right!Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy
And photo ID is just another method to accomplish that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy
The only way then was word of mouth!Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy
Another circle argument we already discussed. You just are determined to repeat what isn't true! The Constitution allows the "privilege" with exceptions. The fact alone that those under 18 can't vote demonstrates that it is not a universal right, as is the right to live. And until Amended, the Constitution did not allow Blacks to vote, and that was 93 years after this country was founded. And woman didn't get the privilege to vote until 1920. So those were added privileges.Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy
But all this evades the fact that the Constitution provided the privilege to vote only to U.S. citizens. And everything you have provided here shows the right of states to verify identify. Photo ID is just one method!
Even by Amendment?Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy
LOL!!
A right guaranteed by the Constitution is not a privilege, it's a right.
Correct. It requires 38 states, not one, to Amend the US Constitution. It requires 2/3 vote in both chambers of Congress to propose the Amendment to the states.Quote:
Even by Amendment?
I'm sorry you have such a fear of your telephone, computer and airplanes. My suggestion is get rid of your cell phone, use a land-line, dump your personal computer and use the free ones at the library, and stop flying. Take personal responsibility for your own issues and stop making your fears someone else's problem.
Under the US Constitution it is a right of US citizens 18 years and older. You didn't know that??!!!!Quote:
You mean just anybody can't just walk in and vote? And here you said it is a right!
LOL!! That's why "Voter Registrars" accept them as one means to register you to vote if the history of your license tracks back to a birth certificate. Geez. You are still confusing yourself. GET HELP!!!Quote:
And photo ID is just another method to accomplish that!
A "conditional right", a privilege! If some of the Founders had their way there would be no Amendment process, and therefore, you and Blacks would still not be able to vote. So it wasn't a "right" for everybody, only the "privileged"! And they still had to prove that they were who they said they were!https://www.alipac.us/images/icons/icon14.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Judy
It's not a "conditional right". It's a guaranteed constitutional right of adult US citizens. Who else matters? Who else's rights are you concerned with?Quote:
Originally Posted by jtdc
Geez, you're quickly working your way into the "human rights" crowd. STOP IT!! GET HELP!!
Unless they have been convicted of a felony. SO IT IS NOT AN "INALIENABLE RIGHT!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy
Oh geez. The Constitution allows at the discretion of the states, the exclusion of those committing insurrection or rebellion, "or crime". Some states do, some states don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by jtdc
There is no such thing as "iinalienable right" in the US Constitution. The term doesn't exist in that document anywhere, not once. Maybe you ought to read the Constitution before you embark on these ridiculous discussions of a document you obviously aren't even familiar with.
So it is not an unalienable right! The word unalienable is in the Declaration Of Independence, which preceded the Constitution. And that document didn't even mention voting!Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy
Now you want to argue the meaning of words? Inalienable or unalienable means something that can't be taken away. The "right to vote" doesn't meet that definition!
The words are interchangeable, except for your spelling!Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy
At least I can spell "constitution" and "inalienable"! So you're not so smart after all! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy
You argue that voting is not an "inalienable right" or as you correct yourself, "unalienable right". I never said it was, no one in the history of our country to my knowledge ever said it was, the Constitution never said it was either one, so you're arguing with yourself again.
GET HELP!!!
That's what this is all about, you're trying to prove you're smarter than me?!!!Quote:
At least I can spell "constitution" and "inalienable"! So you're not so smart after all!
Well, good luck with that!
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Originally Posted by Judy
Who is taking their "right" to vote away? They already do vote.
Are they turned away at the voting booths?
So if it is not an unalienable right, it is a privilege!Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy
And winning! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Judy