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Originally Posted by jtdc

Talk about setting a high bar!

When our republic was born, we didn't have internet to massively misinform people. We didn't have telephones, telegraph or even the Pony Express. We didn't have photography. We didn't have airplanes to transport us across the oceans in a matter of hours. We didn't have automobiles to transport us from city to city in a matter of hours.

People generally remained in the same town throughout their lives. Families were physically close. Registrars of voter generally knew the people who were voting, and they knew if they were supposed to be voting.

I know you asked "What 'new problem' is that?" Sorry that I gave you far more than you asked for.

Voting is a "right" granted by law. It is not a universal right granted by a creator. And as I pointed out, Constitutionally, it is not an absolute right. But it comes with it a responsibility. Among those responsibility is registering. If you don't register, you don't have the "right to vote". And registration requires proving who you claim to be and that you have the right to vote. Photo ID is one method used to verify the you are who you say you are!

So, what is the "new problem" again? Telephones, airplanes, computers and citizens moving from place to place to find work are "new problems"? Those are not problems to most people, they are benefits and opportunities.

As to voter registration, every citizen is already required to register to vote in both federal and state elections or verify they're eligibility on voting day. American voter registration started in 1800 in Massachusetts. So this is not a new issue or a new requirement. American citizens who wish to vote are required to register to vote in 49 states, North Dakota is the only state that doesn't require voter registration, but still requires through other means, verification that you are a US citizen, 18 years of age, and a resident of North Dakota to vote. The purpose of voter registration proves who you are as well as other processes of verification for new voters like those used in North Dakota. If you move to another place for work, retirement or whatever, you have to register again in that new place in order to vote there or in North Dakota have sufficient information for them to verify your eligibility to vote in North Dakota.

As to when our republic was born and internet wasn't available to "massively misinform people", internet wasn't needed to do that. They successfully without any modern technology at all, "massively misinformed people" that blacks weren't people and women weren't smart enough to vote.

Finally, voting is in fact a right of US citizens 18 years or older protected by the US Constitution. That's why the US Constitution has been amended 3 times to protect the right of blacks, women and 18 year old citizens to vote and no state or Congress can change that.

Originally Posted by Judy

So, what is the "new problem" again? Telephones, airplanes, computers and citizens moving from place to place to find work are "new problems"?

Yes! You must be a hermit! We have lawsuits about tapping phones and other communication devices. That problem didn't exist back when the country began. You had to be within earshot to eavesdrop!

Airplanes? Back then it took weeks to cross the Atlantic for an invasion or for spies to communicated with the homeland. And look at how we have to have security for airplanes.

Computers? They had nothing like that that could hack polling places or FALSIFY IDENTITIES!

Originally Posted by Judy

American citizens who wish to vote are required to register to vote in 49 states, North Dakota is the only state that doesn't require voter registration, but still requires through other means, verification that you are a US citizen, 18 years of age, and a resident of North Dakota to vote.

You mean just anybody can't just walk in and vote? And here you said it is a right!

Originally Posted by Judy

The purpose of voter registration proves who you are as well as other processes of verification for new voters like those used in North Dakota.

And photo ID is just another method to accomplish that!

Originally Posted by Judy

As to when our republic was born and internet wasn't available to "massively misinform people", internet wasn't needed to do that.

The only way then was word of mouth!

Originally Posted by Judy

Finally, voting is in fact a right of US citizens 18 years or older protected by the US Constitution.

Another circle argument we already discussed. You just are determined to repeat what isn't true! The Constitution allows the "privilege" with exceptions. The fact alone that those under 18 can't vote demonstrates that it is not a universal right, as is the right to live. And until Amended, the Constitution did not allow Blacks to vote, and that was 93 years after this country was founded. And woman didn't get the privilege to vote until 1920. So those were added privileges.

But all this evades the fact that the Constitution provided the privilege to vote only to U.S. citizens. And everything you have provided here shows the right of states to verify identify. Photo ID is just one method!

Originally Posted by Judy

and no state or Congress can change that.

Even by Amendment?

LOL!!

A right guaranteed by the Constitution is not a privilege, it's a right.

Even by Amendment?

Correct. It requires 38 states, not one, to Amend the US Constitution. It requires 2/3 vote in both chambers of Congress to propose the Amendment to the states.

I'm sorry you have such a fear of your telephone, computer and airplanes. My suggestion is get rid of your cell phone, use a land-line, dump your personal computer and use the free ones at the library, and stop flying. Take personal responsibility for your own issues and stop making your fears someone else's problem.

You mean just anybody can't just walk in and vote? And here you said it is a right!

Under the US Constitution it is a right of US citizens 18 years and older. You didn't know that??!!!!

And photo ID is just another method to accomplish that!

LOL!! That's why "Voter Registrars" accept them as one means to register you to vote if the history of your license tracks back to a birth certificate. Geez. You are still confusing yourself. GET HELP!!!

Originally Posted by Judy

A right guaranteed by the Constitution is not a privilege, it's a right.

A "conditional right", a privilege! If some of the Founders had their way there would be no Amendment process, and therefore, you and Blacks would still not be able to vote. So it wasn't a "right" for everybody, only the "privileged"! And they still had to prove that they were who they said they were!

Originally Posted by jtdc

A "conditional right", a privilege! If some of the Founders had their way there would be no Amendment process, and therefore, you and Blacks would still not be able to vote. So it wasn't a "right" for everybody, only the "privileged"! And they still had to prove that they were who they said they were!

It's not a "conditional right". It's a guaranteed constitutional right of adult US citizens. Who else matters? Who else's rights are you concerned with?

Geez, you're quickly working your way into the "human rights" crowd. STOP IT!! GET HELP!!

Originally Posted by Judy

It's not a "conditional right". It's a guaranteed constitutional right of adult US citizens.

Unless they have been convicted of a felony. SO IT IS NOT AN "INALIENABLE RIGHT!"

Originally Posted by jtdc

Unless they have been convicted of a felony. SO IT IS NOT AN "INALIENABLE RIGHT!"

Oh geez. The Constitution allows at the discretion of the states, the exclusion of those committing insurrection or rebellion, "or crime". Some states do, some states don't.

There is no such thing as "iinalienable right" in the US Constitution. The term doesn't exist in that document anywhere, not once. Maybe you ought to read the Constitution before you embark on these ridiculous discussions of a document you obviously aren't even familiar with.

Originally Posted by Judy

Finally, voting is in fact a right of US citizens 18 years or older protected by the US Constitution. That's why the US Constitution has been amended 3 times to protect the right of blacks, women and 18 year old citizens to vote and no state or Congress can change that.

Who is taking their "right" to vote away? They already do vote.

Are they turned away at the voting booths?