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    Barack Obama faces 'revolution' if he imposes tough carbon t

    Barack Obama faces 'revolution' if he imposes tough carbon targets, warns IPCC

    Barack Obama faces a "revolution" if he imposes emission cuts on the US similar to those set in Europe, the chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has conceded.

    By Richard Alleyne, Science Correspondent in Copenhagen
    Last Updated: 9:31AM GMT 11 Mar 2009


    Rajendra Pachauri, head of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). Developed nations should aim for 25-40 per cent cuts by then to avoid dangerous climate change Photo: EPA

    But Rajendra Pachauri, head of the United Nation's body tasked with leading the fight against climate change, also questioned the value of a new global climate deal without such a US pledge.

    He said political constraints such as creating new jobs made it impossible for the new president to announce the measures that scientists believe are necessary.

    Barack Obama announces plans to 'end America's dependence on foreign oil'His comments made at the climate summit in Copenhagen came as scientists warned that the modest IPCC estimates of likely sea level rise this century need to be increased.

    Extra melting in Greenland could drive sea levels to more than a metre higher than today by 2100, they said.

    Obama has said the US will work to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions to 1990 levels by 2020. Europe has pledged to cut them by 20-30 per cent on 1990 levels in the same period.

    The IPCC said developed nations should aim for 25-40 per cent cuts by then to avoid dangerous climate change.

    Speaking on the fringes of a high-level scientific conference on climate change in Copenhagen, Mr Pachauri told the Guardian: "He [Obama] is not going to say by 2020 I'm going to reduce emissions by 30 per cent. He'll have a revolution on his hands. He has to do it step by step."

    Mr Pachauri's remarks echo those of Todd Stern, the US president's new chief climate negotiator, who said last week that it was "not possible" for the US to aim for 25-40 per cent cuts by 2020.

    Such a stance could threaten attempts to agree a new global deal to regulate carbon emissions to replace the existing Kyoto protocol, the first phase of which expires in 2012. Campaigners say a new treaty must be agreed at UN talks in Copenhagen this December.

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    Pachauri is an engineer which makes it strange he should head up a "scientific" group about climate change. James Hansen of Nasa is their guru on climate and is called a climatologist even though he is an astronomer, about as far as you can get from "climate." The colder it gets, the more outlandish their doomsday projection become. The temp. has been flat for over 10 years and is cooling. While other scientists warn us to prepare for colder weather for the next 15-30 years, these crazies keep preaching their environmental destruction and absurd sea level increases.

    It's ALL about the money and power that comes by govt. control of energy.

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    While other scientists warn us to prepare for colder weather for the next 15-30 years, these crazies keep preaching their environmental destruction and absurd sea level increases.
    There is so much information out there today and with technology it is easy and fast to get to it. Through the internet and all the books and magazines out there. Makes your head spin. And if there is one theory there is another to prove it wrong or discredit it.

    As far as melting snow and oceans rising. Evidentally with this scenario happening it actually causes the world to go into an ice age. Due to the warmer waters circulating through the rest of the world. So global warming is suppose to cause a mini ice age.
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    You got it right Gofer. It's such a joke!

    Ice core samples from the arctic going back 800,000 years or more indicate that increased CO2 levels FOLLOW increases in global temperature. CO2 is not the cause of global warming. So us limiting CO2 emissions, while totally trashing our economies in the process, is completely and utterly pointless!!
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