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You lie. Ron Paul opposed amnesty and he is a Republican and ran as a Republican, he just didn't have what it took to succeed in the Republican primary against McCain. No one else did either. Political reality.

Originally Posted by Judy

You lie. Ron Paul opposed amnesty and he ran on the Republican ticket in the 2008 primary because he is a Republican.

Oh no, you didn't! Ron Paul was an open border libertarian and you supported him then and it seems you still do. You say I lie, but what I'm saying is so easily provable.

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Ron Paul is For Amnesty and Has a Terrible Record on Illegal Immigration

by Gregory Hilton

Posted on March 6, 2011 |

Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) was first elected in 1976 but has never authored any legislation to stop illegal immigration. This has occurred despite the fact he represents Texas which has the nation’s longest border with Mexico.

He is against the E-Verify program to stop employers from hiring illegal aliens. In fact, he is against all laws prohibiting employers from hiring illegal aliens. He opposes Arizona’s get tough policies and the deportation of people who are here illegally. If a state wants open borders that is fine with him. NumbersUSA gives him an “F” rating on immigration.

When he ran for president in 1988 as a Libertarian, Paul advocated the official policy of his party. He said, “As in our country’s first 150 years, there shouldn’t be any immigration policy at all. We should welcome everyone who wants to come here and work.” At the same time he advocated the complete elimination of the Border Patrol, which he said was unconstitutional.

He has since changed his mind and now has strong rhetoric against illegal immigration on the campaign trail. This is not supported by his voting record or other actions.He claims to be against amnesty but his new book advocates it. He claims to be against birthright citizenship but his book supports it. He voted for the 2006 Secure Fence Act and claims he supports the Border Fence, but he also voted against it on numerous occasions and always says it is not needed. He claims sensors at the border are enough. He also says the military is not needed on the border, and the Border Patrol is sufficient. Some of Paul’s votes against using the military on the border include:

• 2006: H. Amendment 206 to H.R. 1815
• 2004: Goode Amendment to H.R. 4200
• 2003: Goode Amendment to H.R. 1588
• The Goode Amendments authorized the Secretary of Defense to assign members of the military, under certain conditions, to assist in the performance of border control functions. It passed the House by a vote of 231-191.
• 2002: H. Amendment 479 to H.R. 4546
• 2001: Traficant amendment to HR 2586
• 2000: Traficant amendment to H.R.4205
• 1999: Trafficant Amendment to H.R. 1401.
• Rep. Paul voted against authorizing the Attorney General and the Secretary of the Treasury to request that members of the Armed Forces assist the INS with border control efforts. The Traficant Amendment passed by a vote of 242-173.
• Paul voted against H.R. 418 in 2005 to strengthen border control by requiring completion of the last 3.5 miles of the San Diego border fence. The legislation also broaden the terrorism-related grounds for inadmissibility and deportability of aliens. It passed by a vote of 261-161.
• Paul voted in 1997, 2001 ( H.R. 1885) and 2002 (H RES 365) to grant, extend or continue under 8 USC Section 245-i amnesty for illegal aliens. This qualified as amnesty by “allowing an illegal alien to remain in the US legally” for a temporary period rather than permanent. This was seen as a loophole in the 1996 IRCA that barred illegal aliens from receiving visas for 10 years. By paying a “fee,” illegal aliens who applied for legal status could remain in the US while their application was reviewed and evade the usual investigation done in their home countries. The 245i program has since ended, but Ron Paul voted for its continuance in 1997, 2001 and 2002, and voted against ending it later.
• Paul voted NO on extending the voluntary Basic Pilot Workplace Verification Program (H.R. 2359)
• Paul voted NO on the border fence in 2005 (Hunter Amendment to HR 4437). The legislation passed by a vote of 260-159. Rep. Paul changed his position when he decided to run for President and voted for the same measure, the Secure Fence Act, in 2006. The legislation authorized an additional 700 miles of double-layered fencing between the U.S. and Mexico. The Congressman changed his mind because he wanted “enforcement of the law.” He said it was not because he supported the construction of a border fence.
• After Paul changed his position he was interviewed by John Stossel of 20/20 on January 3, 2008 and said he finds a border fence “rather offensive.” He described his vote as symbolic, and he has never explained how he would secure the border.
• Paul voted YES to increase H2-B (HR 763 in 2005) and H-1B visas (HR 3736 in 199. In 1998, he voted to allow US firms to lay off Americans to replace them with foreigners.
• Paul received a “C” rating from the anti-illegal immigration group ALIPAC, Americans for Legal Immigration.
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The Congressman was in the forefront of those who stopped the real ID program, which is not a national ID. It was designed to make sure we did not give ID’s to illegal aliens.

TOM TANCREDO SAYS PAUL IS PRO-AMNESTY

I regret having to quote WorldNetDaily, but this where former Rep. Tom Tancredo’s (R-CO) May 23rd article appeared. Excerpts are below.

“I served with Ron Paul in Congress for 10 years. He was a member of my Immigration Reform Caucus, and I consider him a friend. . . Unfortunately, it appears that Paul’s views on immigration have now shifted into the pro-amnesty camp. Last week, Rep. Paul released his latest book, ‘Liberty Defined: 50 Essential Issues That Affect Our Freedom.’

“One of those 50 issues is immigration, and Paul gives a more detailed explanation of his views in the book than I have ever seen before. The result is not pretty. Ron Paul’s book misrepresents the views of immigration-control advocates and then insults their motivations. He insinuates that patriotic Americans who oppose mass immigration are lazy and motivated by race. . .

“According to Paul, deporting illegal immigrants would be “incompatible with human rights.” That is an off argument for any true libertarian to make, since the protection of true human rights begins with the U.S. Constitution and our ability to enforce the rule of law.

“The truth is that we do not need to deport all illegal aliens to make them go home. If we simply prevent employers from hiring illegal aliens by using E-Verify and step up interior enforcement as Arizona, Oklahoma and other states have done, most illegal aliens will go home on their own. Paul comes out against both these policies. . . He absurdly calls the idea of fining employers for hiring illegal aliens ‘involuntary servitude.’

“Paul comes out against Arizona’s popular SB 1070 law using absurd arguments of the type normally heard only from America-hating leftists: ‘Arizona-type immigration legislation can turn out to be harmful. Being able to stop any American citizen under the vague charge of ‘suspicion’ is dangerous even more so in the age of secret prisons and a stated position of assassinating American citizens if deemed a ‘threat,’ without charges ever being made.’
“I am still scratching my head trying to figure out what supposed secret prisons and political assassinations have to do with enforcing our immigration laws. The Arizona law’s definition of ‘reasonable suspicion’ is the same standard that applies for federal immigration officials and local law enforcement for non-immigration violations, so the law does not expand police powers.

“So if we can’t enforce the law, what does Paul want to do with the 12 million illegal aliens here in this country? While he says he opposes amnesty, he argues, ‘Maybe a ‘green card’ with an asterisk could be issued.’ This ‘asterisk’ would deny them welfare and not grant them immediate ‘automatic citizenship.’ Both these qualifications are meaningless because every amnesty proposal makes illegal aliens jump through some symbolic hoops before they get amnesty. I have no idea why he has changed his position on illegal immigration, but one thing is clear: Asterisk or not, Ron Paul now supports amnesty.”

PAUL DOES NOT SPEAK FOR ALL ISOLATIONISTS

Many isolationists disagree with the Congressman. They agree with him that all U.S. troops should “come home,” but unlike Congressman Tancredo, they want these soldiers deployed on the border. Even if that did happen, it has been demonstrated many times it is impossible to establish perfect border security. That is why Republicans believe it is vital to clamp down on employers and eliminate the reason illegal immigrants are in the United States.

America has a 5,525 mile border with Canada, a 1,969 mile border with Mexico, and 12,383 miles of coastline. Thousands of Chinese immigrants have arrived illegally by ship. Searching every container on every ship has proven to be impossible.

The real answer is E-Verify and restrictions on employers who hire illegal immigrants.


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I didn't support Ron Paul in the 2012 race, I supported him in the 2008 primary when he ran as a Republican. He opposed amnesty as a Congressman from Texas, he supported Constitutional Amendment to end birthright citizenship for illegal aliens, he wanted to cut all incentives and welfare/tax benefits to illegal aliens, he supported the Fence, he was rated 100% anti-illegal immigration by FAIR and B by NumbersUSA. YOU LIE!!! Many of us here at ALIPAC supported Ron Paul, he just couldn't win the primary and would have never won a General Election, but we liked him and we supported him. You obviously supported John McCain. How ... novel.

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Has the alliance of Gog and Magog formed from the newly found alliance of Turkey, Russia, and Iran in Ankara this week? We will see this trio go after Israel as so many believe? Dr Stephen Pidgeon joins us in this Prophetic topic of Ezkiel 38. Examining Breaking News in context with prophetic matters

Originally Posted by Judy

I didn't support Ron Paul in the 2012 race, I supported him in the 2008 primary when he ran as a Republican. He opposed amnesty as a Congressman from Texas, he supported Constitutional Amendment to end birthright citizenship for illegal aliens, he wanted to cut all incentives and welfare/tax benefits to illegal aliens, he supported the Fence, he was rated 100% anti-illegal immigration by FAIR and B by NumbersUSA. YOU LIE!!! Many of us here at ALIPAC supported Ron Paul, he just couldn't win the primary and would have never won a General Election, but we liked him and we supported him. You obviously supported John McCain. How ... novel.

When I was supporting Duncan Hunter, you were supporting Ron Paul in 2008. Nothing wrong with my memory. Furthermore, I see you're still up to your old games. I never supported John McCain, never. Of course you know that because I was supporting Duncan Hunter in the 2008 primaries, you're just trying to get under my skin. That's something you like to do to people.

You were adamant in your support of the open-border/amnesty supporter Ron Paul and that's something you can't run from or hide with obfuscation.

Actually you were the only one I remember supporting the open border libertarian Ron Paul in 2008. The rest of us were split between Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo.

By the way, you're the only one that brought up 2012, I didn't say anything about the date. I was clearly talking about 2008 because that is when Duncan Hunter and Ron Paul were in the primaries together. Oh well, most folks are on to your obfuscation and will see it for what it is.


Ron Paul Horrible on Immigration : Barack Obama has An F minus on Illegal aliens & the Border with Mexico

Posted on May 2, 2011by occupationoforegon
Ron Paul’s New Book Sinks His Immigration Grade to an ‘F’

Ron Paul Horrible on Immigration : Barack Obama has An F minus on Illegal aliens & the Border with Mexico


By Roy Beck, Monday, May 2, 2011, 5:25 PM EDT – posted on NumbersUSA


The biggest problem with Rep. Paul’s (R-Texas) latest comments on immigration is that they are NOT just some ad hoc thoughts tossed off carelessly at some speaking event. These are engraved in a brand new book.

Until the release of the book, Liberty Defined, Dr. Paul had a mixed record in Congress and the fact that he had taken the NumbersUSA “No Amnesty” pledge at the end of his Presidential campaign in 2008.

That had earned him a C-minus on our 2012 Presidential Hopefuls Immigration Stances Report Card. Not impressive, but the third best (behind Rep. Bachman with a B-minus and Gov. Tim Pawlenty with a C+) of all the Hopefuls.

PAUL NOW 2nd WORST OF ALL HOPEFULS ON IMMIGRATION

In the graphic below, you will see how we have had to rate Dr. Paul on the 12 most important immigration categories.

The ratings add up to an overall stance that just barely misses warranting an F-minus and squeaks through just better than Pres. Obama. It is significantly worse than the grade of former Speaker Gingrich who had previously been the worst of all Republican Hopefuls on immigration.



Click here to read all citations and analysis behind each of the 12 ratings for Dr. Paul.

Also, here is where you get information about how to contact Congressman Paul about his immigration positions.

Click here to see the ratings and grades of all Presidential Hopefuls.

PAUL SUPPORTERS, YOU HAVE YOUR WORK CUT OUT FOR YOU

We do not endorse candidates and we do not judge them on anything other than their immigration stances.

For those of you who already support a Hopeful for other reasons, we encourage you to pressure your favorite candidate to improve his/her immigration stances to earn a better NumbersUSA grade.

Obviously, those of you who are big supporters of Ron Paul have your work cut out for you.

PREZ GRADE WORSE THAN CONGRESS GRADE

If you look up Rep. Paul’s immigration grade for his congressional actions, you will find a much better report. He earns a ‘B’ grade over his career.

But you will find that only one Republican in Congress has a worse grade on border issues than Ron Paul. Furthermore, he has failed to act in every category of immigration during this new Congress.

His grade on Presidential stances is different because it is based not just on what he has done but on what he publicly says he would do as President. As a Member of Congress, he has been able to avoid acting on many immigration issues, thus protecting his grade a little.

SEVERE BACKSLIDING ON AMNESTY

In his book, Dr. Paul sounds very much like supporters of Comprehensive Amnesty measures by talking about the impossibility of sending back home 11 million illegal aliens.

Like most amnesty supporters who say they oppose “amnesty,” Dr. Paul seems to buy the false choice between “legalization” or mass deportation. Since he says mass deportation isn’t possible, he feels he has to choose some kind of legalization.

He fails to support Attrition Through Enforcement, which is the middle way supported by most anti-amnesty Members of Congress.

He would limit the legalization by perhaps not allowing the illegal aliens to ever be citizens or to vote. But they still would get to stay in the U.S. and to keep their U.S. jobs, while millions of Americans who want the jobs would have to stay unemployed.

“It could be argued that (this system) may well allow some immigrants who come here illegally a beneficial status without automatic citizenship or tax-supported benefits — a much better option than deportation,” Rep. Paul writes on page 156.

MORE FOREIGN WORKERS SOUGHT WHILE REMOVING EMPLOYERS FROM RESPONSIBILITY

Congressman Paul in his book espouses a largely unfettered business philosophy that seeks to allow employers to import far more foreign labor than they do now. His comments in this vein seem oblivious to the 22 million Americans unable to find a full-time job.

Nor is he much interested in punishing businesses for hiring illegal foreign workers, saying the U.S. should NOT “punish third parties for not being keen to act as law enforcement agents in regard to illegal immigration.”

Requiring businesses to verify the legality of workers is a form of “compulsory servitude,” he writes. This is consistent with his record. In his more than a decade in Congress, he has never co-sponsored a bill mandating E-Verify.

He says the federal government — not businesses — should keep illegal aliens out. But how does that happen without cutting off the jobs magnet at the work place? Tens of millions of foreign citizens visit our country each year legally as students, temporary workers and tourists. Border enforcement can do nothing to keep them from overstaying their visas and taking U.S. jobs.

Nearly every business that has ever used E-Verify extols its virtues and ease of use. Rep. Paul seems to want to set himself up as a protector of businesses, but his positions primarily protect outlaw businesses to the disadvantage of patriotic, law-abiding, community-loving business owners who comprise the majority of employers.

For political supporters of Rep. Paul, they can hope that the immigration sections of the new book were ghost written by naive aides and that Rep. Paul will soon disavow them. For now, though, NumbersUSA has to rate and grade him on the best available information we now have.

ROY BECK is Founder & CEO of NumbersUSA

https://occupationoforegon.wordpress.com/2011/05/02/ron-paul-horrible-on-immigration-barack-obama-has-an-f-minus-on-illegal-aliens-the-border-with-mexico/

Originally Posted by Airbornesapper07

Russia, Turkey, and Iran Alliance; is this Gog of Magog?

Check out this video. It tells you exactly who Gog and Magog is. It's definitely not Russia. This guy in this video has absolute 100% proof of who it is. I'm not going to tell you what it is, because I want you to watch the video. I guarantee it's going to blow your mind of how he proves this.

Wow. Great job!! Great post, Six Million Dollar Man.

So now we know, RUSSIA IS INNOCENT!!

Originally Posted by Judy

Wow. Great job!! Great post, Six Million Dollar Man.

So now we know, RUSSIA IS INNOCENT!!

They sure are Judy. The bible explicitly describes Turkey, over and over again, as the anti-Christ. There's no question about it. First, the bible tells you that Satan's throne is in Pergamon, which is in Turkey. And I forget what passages they're in, or word for word what it says, but Gog and Magog is, without a doubt, described in the bible as being where modern day Turkey is. There are so many passages in the bible that point directly to Turkey as the anti-Christ.

Also, these are very interesting times we live in, because God says in the bible that one day he will unleash the Medes. The Medes are today's Kurds. I think it's great that we are helping the Kurds in Syria. By being on the Kurds' side, we are on God's side. Just google what bible prophecy says about the Kurds. A LOT of websites will show up that talk about how the Medes are today's Kurds, and how God is going to use them to destroy Babylon, today's Baghdad. And not only Iraq, but I believe God is also going to use them to destroy Satan (Turkey), as well as Syria and Iran, the 4 countries that have been oppressing the Kurds for the past hundred years.