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    Broward County Voters Give 110% in Florida Primary!

    Broward County Voters Give 110% in Florida Primary!

    BLOGGED BY Brad Friedman ON 1/31/2008 3:23PM

    'Unofficial Results' on County Website Shows Turnout Exceeds Registered Voters in Precinct D001
    Officials Have No Explanation for Now, Said to Be 'Still Reviewing That Information'...
    Turnout at Broward County, Florida's precinct D001 was excellent in last Tuesday's primary election, according to the "unofficial results" posted on this county webpage.

    With 1,028 ballots cast, and 930 registered voters at the precincts, voters having turned out, the turnout was an impressive 110.54%!

    The BRAD BLOG called the Broward County Supervisor of Elections office to find out if there was any explanation for these numbers. We spoke with Patricia McCallister, an assistant to Supervisor Dr. Brenda C. Snipes...

    McCallister told us that they are "still reviewing that information" and that they "don't have an answer" at this time for the anomalous numbers.

    The results will "become official this coming Friday," she told us, recommending that we call back on Monday after the final results have been determined, for further explanation as to what may have happened. The complete "unofficial results" for Broward are available here.

    For the record, Broward used paperless ES&S iVotronic touch-screen voting machines last Tuesday. The same machines which apparently lost some 18,000 votes in the razor thin, 369-vote margin race between Republican Vern Buchanan and Democrat Christine Jennings for the Congressional seat previously occupied by former FL SoS Katherine Harris. In that November 2006 election, Buchanan was announced the winner in that race, despite the fact, more than a full year later, no definitive explanation has ever been determined to explain the thousands of missing votes in Sarasota County's 13th Congressional district race.

    Perhaps a few of those lost ES&S iVotronic votes from Sarasota in '06 have finally shown up shown up on ES&S iVotronic machines in Broward County in '08.

    Last Tuesday's primary election in the Sunshine State was the last to use such touch-screen systems, as the State's Republican Governor and Legislature have finally agreed to trash the unreliable, untransparent, hackable voting systems once and for all. They will still be in wide-use, however, across the country in many other states this year, where Election Officials continue to be in dangerous denial about the unsuitability of such machines --- with or without so-called "paper trails" --- for American elections.

    Special Pre-Emptive Note to the Management of Daily Kos and their Front-Page Diarists:
    The BRAD BLOG is not alleging fraud, conspiracy (dark or otherwise), or that Hillary Clinton or John McCain, who both won their respective races in that precinct, have stolen any election anywhere at any time, much less in Broward County, FL. We simply post the above item, as part of our continuing, ongoing efforts towards ensuring transparent, verified, and accurate elections in America. We look forward to your joining us some day in that fight. Until then, best of luck in your endeavors.

    UPDATE 3:55pm PT: Additional breakdown of precinct numbers in both the Republican and Democratic Primary races, as well as a Property Tax Initiative that was on the ballot in Broward's D001 precinct, now follow below. Unfortunately, they seem to beg more questions than they answer...

    According to Broward County's website, here is how the numbers break down in each race on the ballot:

    ALL VOTES (Early, Election Day & Absentee)
    Republican: 181
    Democratic: 786
    Tax Initiative: 1011

    Broken down, the numbers look like this (click on the header to see the numbers on the Broward County website in each category):

    Republican: 8
    Democratic: 627
    (Total D+R: 635)
    Tax Initiative: 640

    Republican: 138
    Democratic: 146
    (Total D+R: 284)
    Tax Initiative: 325

    Republican: 35
    Democratic: 13
    (Total D+R: 4
    Tax Initiative: 46

    In total, that amounts to...


    Why one part of the same website declares 1028 votes total, as per the graphic at the top of this article, yet the maximum number of votes recorded is 1011 total for the tax initiative, is unknown.

    If 1028 voters voted, that means that 17 of them went to the trouble of casting a ballot with no vote on it whatsoever, for either Primary or for the tax initiative.

    As to why there are 44 voters who seem to have voted for the tax initiative, but chose not to vote in either the D or R Presidential Primaries, we also can't tell you. Perhaps some voters voted only on the tax initiative and had no preference in either Presidential Primary. Or perhaps they "wrote in" another candidate, if that was allowed, whose votes are not reflected on the Broward County website results. Or perhaps they voted in the Presidential Primary, but as in the Sarasota FL-13 race in 2006, their votes were simply "lost" to the ether.

    Using the 1011 votes counted for the tax initiative, the undervote rate in the Presidential primaries would be 4.35%.

    Using the 1028 number, the undervote rate for the Presidential primaries would be 5.93%.

    Of course, whether the total number of voters was 1011 or 1028, it still does not explain why there were so many more voters than the 930 said to be registered in that precinct.

    For what it's worth, the Broward County website says that no provisional ballots were cast in that precinct, so the numbers remain a mystery for now.


    +3 diggs by jbur816 15 hours ago
    WTF!!! Not Florida again!!!

    +1 diggs by deadmann 8 hours ago
    Edgar Neubauer?

    +2 diggs by netsaint 6 hours ago
    Why am I NOT flabbergasted?!? Oh yeah, could be because I use to work for the company that supplied the voting machines and software to this county.

    +1 diggs by erinzdad 3 hours ago
    More criminals stealing our vote? Ooohhh well, gotta go see how Brittany and the rest of the Hellywierdos are doing. Don't want to miss anything REALLY important!!!
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    "Broward County Voters Give 110% in Florida Primary!"
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    COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
    ... KnightErrant said on 1/31/2008 @ 3:36 pm PT...

    Florida has held fewer free, fair, and accurate elections this decade than Turkmenistan.


    COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
    ... moon in the house of moe said on 1/31/2008 @ 3:56 pm PT...

    Many lefty bloggers condemn polls and embrace polls depending on what day it is. When the polls don't agree with election results, they say polls have no validity and should be completely ignored. But as the political yackers approach the next election contest, polls magically become valid again and are widely studied and dissected. They're denounced when they're possible indicators of fraud but back again when they can provide fodder for the blogs and their political prognosticators.


    COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
    ... Agent 99 said on 1/31/2008 @ 4:00 pm PT...

    Yuh, and sun in Curly with a Larry rising....


    COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
    ... the zapkitty said on 1/31/2008 @ 4:12 pm PT...

    Unfortunately your admonishments will go unheeded and the first time anyone at dkos mentions fraud or conspiracy in regards to Florida elections... or fails to mention fraud or conspiracy in regards to Florida elections... they and anyone else who questions election results will be labeled "fraudster" and blamed on "Brad" or "Bev" and the purges of the unclean will continue.

    Ethnic cleansing... dkosian style.


    COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
    ... Floridiot said on 1/31/2008 @ 4:25 pm PT...

    Hey Moe !!! did you steal the recipe for the flaming Homer again !?!
    Us Floridians know how to do it up right, don't we?...for the last time I hope


    COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
    ... karen said on 1/31/2008 @ 5:01 pm PT...

    floridas sos web site says 4,250,391 total votes were cast the 29th but ovr 580,000 voters didnt pick a pres candidate...ovr half mill undervotes
    according to same site 4,142,934 did vote on the prop tax amend
    blackbox has a spreadsheet about it


    COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
    ... Floridiot said on 1/31/2008 @ 5:09 pm PT...

    Karen, that tax initiative is a joke.
    Another Republican plan to put $300 dollars in the average homeowners pocket, about a half mil savings to the upper crust and cutting public services.
    Rearranging the deck chairs again....typical


    COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
    ... Dredd said on 1/31/2008 @ 6:01 pm PT...

    "moon in the house of moe" #2

    Kos, would you please stop posting here using such names?

    Lets talk like adults dude.


    COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
    ... Dredd said on 1/31/2008 @ 6:10 pm PT...

    With faith anything is possible, even 110.54 percent!

    Praise the Lord Diebold as these wonderful, spine tingling miracles happeneth!!!



    COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
    ... Dredd said on 1/31/2008 @ 6:13 pm PT...

    Right on Agent 99 #3, rising right up into lil' Moe's bum.


    COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
    ... Adriane said on 1/31/2008 @ 8:10 pm PT...

    Ellen, as you know I filed to run against the current SOE in Broward. The information above is indicative of the absolute need for change in that office!!! Without question, we need to address the inconsistencies, and quit blaming some nebulous entity for "glitches." Let’s get it right and bring accountability and integrity back into the process!!!
    You do great work!! Keep it up!! Get the information out there!!!
    Adriane Reesey, Candidate for Supervisor of Elections or email to
    Please come to my campaign kick off on February 12, 2008 at the ArtServe located at 1350 East Sunrise Blvd in Ft Lauderdale!
    Hope to see you there!!


    COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
    ... Adriane said on 1/31/2008 @ 8:27 pm PT...

    Brad, if you feel like coming east to see the ocean from this side.....or my would be most welcome!


    COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
    ... Lux said on 1/31/2008 @ 8:53 pm PT...

    {Ed Note: Racist comment deleted. --99}


    COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
    ... Big Dan said on 1/31/2008 @ 9:51 pm PT...

    What a joke! So, what does that kos guy have to say about that? Nothing! Right?


    COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
    ... CharlieL said on 1/31/2008 @ 10:09 pm PT...

    I'd be curious to know how many signatures in the poll book for that precinct.

    And OF COURSE no provisional ballots were given out --- they have to save every last one of those for the Democrats in November.


    COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
    ... CDM said on 1/31/2008 @ 11:09 pm PT...

    Unfortunately I think too many people jumped on the "sour grapes", "conspiracy theory" bandwagon in 2004 and now are stuck looking like total fools if they admit there really has been a serious problem all along.

    Imagine all the people who put so much time and energy into ridiculing anybody who ever suggested the votes are being manipulated. They've essentially set themselves up to where they can never really say anything if it looked like "their horse" lost under suspicious circumstances... without eating large amounts of crow that is.


    COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
    ... Shannon said on 1/31/2008 @ 11:09 pm PT...

    I read a report somewhere that said in Florida you could swipe an ID through the machine multiple times to allow multiple votes for the same person. I also heard about machines getting stuck at the voting submission process, and they had to go back, reselecting their candidate - working like a double-post. Has anyone heard about issues like these?


    COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
    ... Brad Friedman said on 1/31/2008 @ 11:54 pm PT...

    Don't worry. The ID machines didn't work either last Tuesday. And yes, Rush Limbaugh had the problem you refer to. Details on Rush here.

    The other problems here.


    COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
    ... gavin said on 2/1/2008 @ 3:03 am PT...

    Remote flag 125; Shut it down.

    CHECKSUM failure.

    The result of the math equation is greater than the sum of its parts....

    Any video game, embedded firmware or BIOS has this feature.

    But this crap does not.

    Wake up people, it's a fake.


    COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
    ... Jed said on 2/1/2008 @ 4:00 am PT...

    I found similar anomalies in some small precincts in the 2006 elections in Miami-Dade and they never fixed or explained the results. I'm guessing there was some error in how the votes were recorded. Perhaps they don't have a way to audit it and find the true totals so they just pretend there's no problem. We need to go to a totally paper ballot, hand-counted in public system if we want to have confidence in our elections.


    COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
    ... Kage said on 2/1/2008 @ 4:40 am PT...

    937 d+r votes out of 930 registered. Hmmmm


    COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
    ... Art said on 2/1/2008 @ 5:06 am PT...

    And yet....Nothing will be done about it.


    COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
    ... Adriane said on 2/1/2008 @ 5:48 am PT...

    How about writing letters to the Editor of the Sun Sentinel. In reading the paper in Broward today, the SOE had a glowing article concerning her assisting a 90 year old with her ballot. NOTHING mentioned about the anomolies.........


    COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
    ... Adriane said on 2/1/2008 @ 5:55 am PT...

    At least it would get peoples attention there in Broward who at this point are being fed stories that look like fairytales related to the election.
    The mainstream media has not even come close to calling this election anything but "smooth," and well run.


    COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
    ... Richard said on 2/1/2008 @ 6:00 am PT...

    "As to why there are 44 voters who seem to have voted for the tax initiative, but chose not to vote in either the D or R Presidential Primaries, we also can't tell you."

    Potential explanation: Florida has closed primaries, i.e. one must be registered Republican to vote for Repubilcan primary candidates and Democrat for Democratic primary candidates. Independents, greens, librertarians, etc. are excluded. However, any and all registered voters are enigible to vote for any state initiatives and in the general election in November.


    COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
    ... Adriane said on 2/1/2008 @ 6:13 am PT...

    A good point, but where is the explaination from the SOE; and what is the breakdown of voters in that particular precint. What is the NPA total, and does it account for 44?


    COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
    ... Michael g said on 2/1/2008 @ 6:31 am PT...

    Richard, that explanation does not begin to address the fact that close to 100% of the voters would come out and vote in a primary, no less. It would be great to see that registration book with no blank signatures. That would be one for the history books.


    COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
    ... erinzdad said on 2/1/2008 @ 9:39 am PT...

    Wheeehew! Those vote Grinches sure are a busy bunch. They just never rest. Every where you look vote theft is the rule not the exception. I wish we (the law abiding) would fight as hard for the truth as they (the lawless) do for fraud.


    COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
    ... molly said on 2/1/2008 @ 9:43 am PT...

    Just emailed K. Olberman at countdown@msnbc..explained that the so called progressive blogs are gate keepers on this subject...since bloggers want to dicuss it...As a way to get ahead of the curve, since his show is generally liked by bloggers..Have Brad Friedman on as a consultant like Rachel Maddow. Ratings would go up and his show would get out ahead of the internet. Perfect opportunity from a marketing stand point. Democracy Now is a disappointment too in this area.


    COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
    ... yinn said on 2/1/2008 @ 9:46 am PT...

    I'm an election judge. It's true that some voters will cast a ballot with no votes on it. Perhaps some people want to get out of work or a class, take a longer lunch hour or whatever on an Election Day excuse. This probably occurs most often in counties where the citizens who vote get receipts, but also does (rarely) happen in mine where all I do is slap an "I voted" sticker on ya.


    COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
    ... Brad Friedman said on 2/1/2008 @ 10:34 am PT...

    So, Yinn, if in fact some voters go to the trouble of voting an entirely blank ballot, how does that explain more votes (blank and voted) than registered voters in the precinct?


    COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
    ... Alex said on 2/1/2008 @ 11:14 am PT...

    A couple of observations Brad:
    There could have been 17 people who voted for the candidates and not the tax initiative and 61 folks who voted for the tax initiative and not for a candidate (or write in).
    I'd like to know how many people who were registered voters didn't vote? How many possible double votes were there?
    And none of the candidates want to question the results?
    Why do they bother asking us for money if they don't want to be sure that the vote tallies are correct? And why do we bother sending them money?
    Why can't voters ask for recounts, why only candidates?
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    I can't speak for Broward county, I am in Hillsborough, but if it is the same way there then maybe this explains something. This may have also already been mentioned in the "comments" section, which, I didn't read all of them. Anyway, I am registered officially as "No Party Affliation" and because of that, I am not allowed to vote republican or democrat in the primary. However, I am still allowed to vote on tax amendment. That could explain why the count is higher for that than there were votes for presidential canidates.
    Just my 2 cents

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    I was thinking the same thing, independents are not allowed to vote in primaries in all states. In Ct. its the same way, not a party member you can't vote in a primary.

    BUT..........Florida has not been too good in racking up good voting records ..........

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