Thread: Bush Accepts Bolton's U.N. Resignation

Originally Posted by Judy

Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

Originally Posted by Judy

My personal opinion is that the UN is a good organization overall and it's purpose has been well served which is to keep the peace and in this regard it is the primary reason there have been no major wars since it's been formed. I don't like seeing it branch out into all these other Agendas set up by Globalists, mostly from the NGO's of the US ... and they need to retract on those; forget any dreams of One World Government, and get back to keeping peace which is the only mission it can ever address successfully.

Judy, the UN has been THE de facto political arm of the globalist movement from its inception. It was designed as such, which is why the Rockefellers were and are such major proponents. It was never designed to keep peace (that's always been a red herring) and it has never succeeded in keeping peace. The closest thing to a success it has ever had in that regard is in Korea, which remains a powder keg standoff more than a half century later.

Yes CrocketsGhost, I understand who formed it and the stated purpose of it. What other personal motivations these people had has not come to fruition through the UN. While that may have been their pipe dream or motivation, The UN has not as yet fostered Globalism

The US has fostered Globalism trying use the UN to do it. The only reason certain factions of the US government and our elites hate the UN is because it has failed in that purpose. 118 nations of the UN oppose Globalism and oppose the US for trying to spread it.

Another Irony and Opposite.

People are mad at Hugo Chavez because he insulted our President at the UN. Hugo Chavez is not our enemy and never has been.

People are mad at Ahmindinejab beause he insinuated certain things about our President at the UN. Ahmandinejab is not our enemy and never has been.

The UN provides a forum for nations to speak out. We use it. They use it. Our President insulted Ahmandinejab at the UN and the Kim Jong Il and Syria at the UN before others had the opportunity to insult him.

This allows a forum for words and exchanges of viewpoints.

If WE THE PEOPLE of the United States are disgusted with our government, why would any of us be insensed that other nations who are intertwined with our government or the target of our government feel any differently?

The UN has failed at Globalism and that is a good thing.

Keep the UN, remain a member, use it as a forum for peace.

Now .. the Globalists tired of waiting for the UN to become their vehicle, said heck with you ... we'll form our own separate organization to rule world trade and BINGO ... World Trade Organization.

WTO ... that is our Globalist Enemy, not the UN. We still control the UN. We do not control the WTO.

That quote in red is the most uninformed and irresponsible thing you have posted to date. Ahmadinejad has openly threatened to destroy both the US and Israel. He is an adherent to a bizarre cult of Islam that believes that the so-called 12th Imam, also called the Mahdi, who is a messianic figure borrowed from the old Persian demi-god Mithras, will return and usher in world peace, but only after the world is brought to the brink of total destruction. Adherents to the Mahdi cult believe that it is their responsibility to bring the world to the brink of destruction. That is why the nutball is warmongering and seeking nuclear weapons. This man and his cohorts is one of the most dangerous world leaders since Adolf Hitler, and I don't make that claim lightly.

Only someone absolutely uninformed on the goings-on in today's Iran could conceivably make the claim that Ahmadinejad is no threat!

Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis

The UN is nothing more than a body who commits genocide, is run by dictators & communists and has ALWAYS - ALWAYS - wanted the destruction of the USA.

The only words anyone needs to hear about the UN and their THIEVES
are:

SOCIAL ENGINEERING
RWANDA
DARFUR
FOOD FOR OIL

We don't even have to dig deeper in history to know exactly what a devastingly BLOODSUCKING group of maniacs this body of scum is.

USA OUT OF THE UN........UN OUT OF THE USA!

they're filled with EVIL, pure EVIL.



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Absolutely! I must say that I am shocked and amazed that ANY informed American could or would defend the UN. Beyond everything you mention, there have been some unspeakable crimes committed by the WHO under the auspices of the Population Zero initiative. The African AIDS outbreak, for example, followed village by the village the onset of the WHO's African Immunization Initiative of 1979 to 1982. The evidence of the immunizations as a causal factor was so high that the WHO was eventually forced to address it, at which time they accused volunteer medical professionals of reusing needles. A group of those volunteers, all of whom were first world doctors and registered nurses, issued their own statement in outrage over the accusation, in which they inisisted that there was no chance that needles were reused as all the standard precautions (of which this is one of the most fundamental) used in hospitals were used in this case. Moreover, the WHO could provide no evidence that of a single case of needle re-use. Of course, the WHO was not going to admit that the cause was the only other plausible explanation, which was (intentionally?) tainted vaccines.

2ndamendsis ... reading your posts ... I remember now how much you disliked the United Nations. I dislike their civil society agendas like Agenda 21 and that's why I think they need to stop wasting money on that and just focus on Peace.

They can want to destroy US all they want but the only people I see harming the US are our own politicians.

We control the UN with 4 other nations ... Great Britian, France, Russia and China. These 5 ... we rule. We each have veto power which means each one rules. It's the safest possible mechanism and should never be changed and no country should ever be added with veto power to the five seat Permanent Members of the Security Council.

The UN didn't open our borders; the UN didn't cause Free Trade Agreements; the UN didn't cause or allow illegal immigration; the UN didn't have anything to do with NAFTA; SPP; NAU ... these are the threats to the US .. not the UN it seems to me.

Anyway ... we'll disagree on this one, Iraq and impeachment.

Originally Posted by Judy

2ndamendsis ... reading your posts ... I remember now how much you disliked the United Nations. I dislike their civil society agendas like Agenda 21 and that's why I think they need to stop wasting money on that and just focus on Peace.

They can want to destroy US all they want but the only people I see harming the US are our own politicians.

We control the UN with 4 other nations ... Great Britian, France, Russia and China. These 5 ... we rule. We each have veto power which means each one rules. It's the safest possible mechanism and should never be changed and no country should ever be added with veto power to the five seat Permanent Members of the Security Council.

The UN didn't open our borders; the UN didn't cause Free Trade Agreements; the UN didn't cause or allow illegal immigration; the UN didn't have anything to do with NAFTA; SPP; NAU ... these are the threats to the US .. not the UN it seems to me.

Anyway ... we'll disagree on this one, Iraq and impeachment.

Actually, you are wrong again. The UN used its bylaws, to which all its signatories are subject, to begin undermining our sovereignty long before we signed any of the trade agreements of the last 15 years. For example, things like the World Heritage and International Biosphere sites assign huge portions of US public lands to the governance and possession of the UN.

Furthermore, the UN has made our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution moot. First, it undermines our Bill of Rights by redefining "rights" into (revocable) privileges ( http://capmag.com/article.asp?ID=210 ). Second, it recently released a report that determines that national sovereignty may be forfeited on "humanitarian" grounds ( http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38d6fb8f0251.htm ). If it may be forfeited on humanitarian grounds, then it may be forfeited on other grounds. We already see mumblings about the need to "modify" various various forms of behavior in industrial consumer nations on the basis of pollution, excessive consumption, etc. These are Communist ideals that are utterly alien to our system of government.

CrocketsGhost ... you and I debated Iran and Ahmandinejab several months ago. Don't you remember?

We'll see who's right. So far ... the wind's blowing my way.

I don't care how bad George Bush is, he will never be as bad as Hugo Chavez. His PR campaign to give poor people discounted oil was a disgrace. The people of Venezuala have no say in what happens in their country and their current election is a scam. As far as the UN goes, there could not be a more corrupt body of individuals. When the US needs assistance, those people have every excuse to turn their backs on us. To make matters worse, we are footing a large portion of the bill to keep it going. They don't like Bolton because he actually knows what he is talking about and isn't afraid to say it. They would rather have someone in there who will sit quietly and get walked on. I am tired of "yes" men. If they can't get a representative that is going to watch out for the US, they might as well call it a day.

Originally Posted by Judy

CrocketsGhost ... you and I debated Iran and Ahmandinejab several months ago. Don't you remember?

We'll see who's right. So far ... the wind's blowing my way.

In your mind. He has backed down on absolutely none of his aggressive warmongering rhetoric, and insurgent forces in Iraq have recently been found armed with brand new weapons of Iranian manufacture, which means they were provided directly rather than through the black market. Iran is actively provisioning anti-government forces in Iraq. I realize that you are cheerleading for the other team here, but those weapons are killing OUR troops as well as the security forces of the elected Iraqi government.

I'm beginning to understand you more and more.

Neese ... do you understand how the discounted heating oil program came to be? It was not something Hugo came up with. One of the Kennedy's, Joseph Kennedy, Robert's oldest son years ago founded a not-for-profit corporation that works with poor people and one of their programs is to raise money and take donations to help these people. One of the programs is a discounted heating oil program. Every year they write letters and call EVERY OIL COMPANY IN THE WORLD asking for discounted heating oil.

The only company to ever respond is CITGO.

These same companies with greater profits than they have ever realized that contribute millions of dollars to National Council of La Raza and other such "end the USA" organizations never participate with an ounce of discounted oil to help our poor people in the cold regions of our nation in the winter time.

Just CITGO.

Hugo Chavez has taken several billion dollars of his oil resources to:

1. subsidize food

2. provide free education at their universities

3. provide single mothers with benefits to help raise their children

Items 1 and 3 are the same types of programs we have in the United States.

Hugo Chavez is the leader of the group of nations in South America that stopped the Bush Free Trade Agreement of the Americas in 2005. Had he not done that ... the US would already be under a Free Trade Agreement spanning the entire continent and western hemisphere with open borders built into the agreement...just like CAFTA.

The per capita income of Venezuelans according to CIA data is aournd $6,400 a year compared to Mexico's $10,000 a year and the USA $25,000 a year. The poverty is overwhelming and social programs are required to help these people survive. He has built schools, hospitals, low income affordable housng for the poor. He has traded low cost petroleum with Cuba in exchange for Cuban Doctors to help his people.

It will take time for Hugo Chavez to turn Venezuela around, but I don't know what more we could possibly expect such a leader to do dealing with such poverty and inequities in Venezuela.

I don't understand why Americans hate Hugo Chavez and Ahmadinejad but do not have these feelings towards the President of China or the President of India, the countries who are actually hurting the United States and who actually pose nuclear and national security threats to the United States.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/Ira ... 347&page=1

CrocketsGhost .. is this what you're talking about?

The article states that we have no defense against these weapons. The article states that this weapon has been smuggled in since last October 2005. This means we have had our troops in an Islamic State, a form of government we don't even support ideologically in a nation we invaded against the UN on a Lie and a False Premise, getting blown to bits for over a year by a weapon that we have no defense against.

And you blame Iran for this.

Most of us who understand the problems with Chavez and Ahmadinejad at least know their actual names.

Chavez is an avowed Communist whose motivation for providing heating oil has nothing to do with generosity or concern for the American people. He is engaging in a textbook attempt to destroy confidence in the enemy's system of government -- not the government of the moment, but the SYSTEM. Communism and its kissing cousin Socialism are like narcotics. They begin by offering freebies and entitlements to get the populace dependent. Once the populace is dependent, services are cut, entitlements are cut, freedoms are curtailed, and the economy inevitably declines for all the reasons that all of us who know anything about economics know to cause it decline.

Chavez understands that we have a huge and growing (thanks to ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION) underclass of socialistic dependents from third world countries. Socialistic freebies are the carrots used to lead them into further isolationism from the established order of their new land, creating a growing proletariat army for future use.

But Judy doesn't seem to get any of that.