Thread: Cal. voters ready to join tax revolt *1-F passed, not others

Originally Posted by Doots

Originally Posted by JohnDoe2

Originally Posted by redpony353

Originally Posted by SicNTiredInSoCal

CA voters please vote NO on all the proposals coming up this May election!!!!!!!!

They are a SHAM!

There is one that voters might want to vote yes on. It would require the budget to be balanced for them to get a raise. Vote yes on that one. I am sorry I cant remember which one it is, I already sent my package. But just read them. There is one about the budget having to be balanced for them to get a raise.

That would be YES on 1F

I voted NO on all six.

But there was one that has to do with raises. If you vote yes they cant get raises unless the budget is balanced. Do you want them to get raises even without a balanced budget?

Originally Posted by redpony353

Originally Posted by Doots

Originally Posted by JohnDoe2

Originally Posted by redpony353

Originally Posted by SicNTiredInSoCal

CA voters please vote NO on all the proposals coming up this May election!!!!!!!!

They are a SHAM!

There is one that voters might want to vote yes on. It would require the budget to be balanced for them to get a raise. Vote yes on that one. I am sorry I cant remember which one it is, I already sent my package. But just read them. There is one about the budget having to be balanced for them to get a raise.

That would be YES on 1F

I voted NO on all six.

But there was one that has to do with raises. If you vote yes they cant get raises unless the budget is balanced. Do you want them to get raises even without a balanced budget?

Your talking about Prop. 1F. All is not what it seems to be. Go here for more info: http://savecalifornia.com/election-center.html

And

http://robynnordell.com/

And

http://votenosixtimes.com/r/

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May 15, 2009

Commentary:

Poor People and California’s Propositions

By Herman Baca, President
Committee on Chicano Right

With Tuesday’s special election, California voters will vote whether or not to raise taxes to supposedly address the state’s $42 billion dollar hemorrhaging deficit. With California being the most heavily taxed state in the U.S. with one of the highest unemployment rate (over 10%), the question for voters and especially poor people is: how should we vote?

Our organization that has dealt with issues affecting poor people for over 40 years, has taken the position that voters cast an unequivocal NO VOTE on all of the propositions on Tuesday’s special election.

In urging a NO VOTE the issue to our organization is the lack of accountability from political elected representatives, and the need for them to begin meeting the needs of residents, small businesses, poor people, instead of the vested interests in Sacramento.

The strongest politic argument for a NO VOTE is that voters take note as to what has happened in National City (NC) after a similar proposition was railroaded by vested interest politicians and supporters that saddled the city with one of the highest sales tax rate (9 3/4%) in California.

NC a blue color worker community comprised of so-called minority residents; 65% of Mexican ancestry, 16% Filipinos, 7% others and 12% Anglo with 19% of its residents living under the poverty line is the poorest city in San Diego County, and the 3rd poorest in California. For voters who want to know what will happen to California communities and especially poor people if Governor Schwarzenegger and state politicians succeed in convincing voters to vote yes, then NC is the perfect political case study.

Before California had a deficit, NC politicians created (from a surplus) a $6 million dollar deficit. The reasons for the deficit was that like drunken teenagers with dad’s credit card NC politicians over spent during the worst economic crisis since the 1930 depression on non-essentials such as:

· Bonuses for top management, salary increase for public employees, and a golden parachute pension fund employees that allows police, firemen, and city employees (political contributors) to retire after 30 years of service with 90% of their pay while contributing zero into the fund!

· $70,000 statues, 2.5 million dollar loans to out of the country developers, $25,000 for a Charger survey, etc.

· A number of raises to the Mayor’s “personalâ€

[quote=Doots][quote=redpony353][quote=Doots][quote=JohnDoe2][quote=redpony353][quote="SicNTiredInSoCal":18s73aui]CA voters please vote NO on all the proposals coming up this May election!!!!!!!!

They are a SHAM! [/quote]

There is one that voters might want to vote yes on. It would require the budget to be balanced for them to get a raise. Vote yes on that one. I am sorry I cant remember which one it is, I already sent my package. But just read them. There is one about the budget having to be balanced for them to get a raise.[/quote]

[size=7]That would be YES on 1F[/size][/quote]

I voted NO on all six.[/quote]

But there was one that has to do with raises. If you vote yes they cant get raises unless the budget is balanced. Do you want them to get raises even without a balanced budget?[/quote]

Your talking about Prop. 1F. All is not what it seems to be. Go here for more info: [url="http://savecalifornia.com/election-center.html"]http://savecalifornia.com/election-center.html[/url]

And

http://robynnordell.com/

And

http://votenosixtimes.com/r/[/quote:18s73aui]

I dont see any information at any of these links that give me a reason to vote no on 1F. There is no reason to give pay raises to legislators that cant produce a balanced budget. Can you give me a reason why they should get raises? You say all is not what it seems....but you dont define that statement. What is the reason you think that legislators who cant balance the budget should be rewarded with a raise?

Just as the old phrase: what is good for GM is good for the country, I offer a rephrasing: as California goes, so goes the rest of the country.
While I have not read the stuff to be voted on, sounds like 1F needs to be endorsed (from what I have read on this thread) and may I recommend no new taxes until there is a full accounting of expenditures authorized by local and state government.
Vote wisely, as the rest of America is watching.

The first link I posted explains:


NO Prop. 1F

Prop. 1F says California state elected officials can’t get a raise in pay during a deficit year. It sounds good, but this “cureâ€

Doots: I read this already from your link. But from what I can see, there is no ACTUAL REASON stated here. What is the actual reason that we should give raises to legislators who cant balance the budget. Can you highlight the part you think gives a good reason to vote against this propostion? I dont see it.

[quote=redpony353][quote=Doots][quote=redpony353][quote=Doots][quote=JohnDoe2][quote="redpony353":3s96sd9h][quote="SicNTiredInSoCal":3s96sd9h]CA voters please vote NO on all the proposals coming up this May election!!!!!!!!

They are a SHAM! [/quote]

There is one that voters might want to vote yes on. It would require the budget to be balanced for them to get a raise. Vote yes on that one. I am sorry I cant remember which one it is, I already sent my package. But just read them. There is one about the budget having to be balanced for them to get a raise.[/quote]

[size=7]That would be YES on 1F[/size][/quote]

I voted NO on all six.[/quote]

But there was one that has to do with raises. If you vote yes they cant get raises unless the budget is balanced. Do you want them to get raises even without a balanced budget?[/quote]

Your talking about Prop. 1F. All is not what it seems to be. Go here for more info: [url="http://savecalifornia.com/election-center.html"]http://savecalifornia.com/election-center.html[/url]

And

http://robynnordell.com/

And

http://votenosixtimes.com/r/[/quote:3s96sd9h]

I dont see any information at any of these links that give me a reason to vote no on 1F. There is no reason to give pay raises to legislators that cant produce a balanced budget. Can you give me a reason why they should get raises? You say all is not what it seems....but you dont define that statement. What is the reason you think that legislators who cant balance the budget should be rewarded with a raise?[/quote:3s96sd9h]

redpony353, I'm not telling anyone how to vote -- I simply stated how I voted. The links I provided above are meant for those who might want more info on the measures.

It's too bad the Taxpayer Revolution initiative which would end state benefits for illegal alien babies is not on this ballot, as it would show the politicians the perfect way to cut spending, and make all those proposed tax increases unneeded.

Evidently Senator Abel Maldonado (R) made a deal with the Dems that if 1F was put on the ballot he'd agree with the recent tax increases. So some will vote no just to revolt against this deal. I plan to vote no on all of them....I don't trust most of them in Sacramento. But if 1F passes, no big deal. Just so the others don't esp 1A.

Here's a little info some may be interested in:
http://www.kfiam640.com/pages/johnandkenshow/index.html