Thread: Civil War 2 in America – Who Would Win? In-Depth Analysis

when it comes be as brutal as possible; because that is what they have planned for you. Watch the hate being spewed online and you will see what I mean … Prepare accordingly and be prepared to defend yourself

The Left’s Demonization of Conservatives Becomes Dangerous

America is literally waiting for the Socialists to make the wrong move. I'm a former Democrat; that's how bad it is

This Is War’: ‘Borat’ Director Encourages Left to Arm Selves Against ‘Maga People’

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Borat director Larry Charles took to Twitter Monday and compared Trump supporters — or as he described them, “Maga people” — to the violent, pro-China “triad” mob who attacked peaceful pro-democracy protesters Sunday night and essentially encouraged far-left agitators to arm themselves for “war.”

“After reading about armed #Triad thugs attacking pro-democracy protestors In #HongKong and the white supremacists/Proud Boys/Maga people embracing violence here I’m glad to see the left arming itself. This is war,” the longtime Curb Your Enthusiasm producer declared.

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After reading about armed #Triad thugs attacking pro-democracy protestors In #HongKong and the white supremacists/Proud Boys/Maga people embracing violence here I’m glad to see the left arming itself. This is war. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/22/if-others-have-rifles-well-have-rifles-why-leftist-groups-are-taking-up-arms?CMP=share_btn_tw …

‘If others have rifles, we’ll have rifles’: why leftist groups are taking up arms

Armed antifascists groups say they want to protect events from other malicious and potentially armed groups – a phenomenon that is becoming more and more common
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Charles, a prolific producer, writer, and director, linked to a Guardian article that detailed the desires of left-wing groups, like Antifa, to take up arms in order to protect events from “other malicious and potentially armed groups.”
The far-left has largely refused to condemn the violent actions of its extremist groups like Antifa. “Squad” member Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) failed to condemn the self-described Antifa member who attempted to firebomb a federal detention facility in Tacoma, Washington, earlier this month.

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.@AOC refuses to condemn the Antifa attack on the Tacoma ICE center; refuses to tell @TheRealKeean if her inflammatory comments about “concentration camps” radicalized the attacker.

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Fellow member, Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) also refused.
The Seattle Antifascist Action took it a step further and actively praised the attacker, calling him a “martyr” in a Facebook post last week.

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.@AOC, @IlhanMN repeatedly REFUSE to condemn Antifa attack on Tacoma ICE center, and won't tell Antifa to stop using violence. WATCH @TheRealKeean confront #AOC and #IlhanOmar

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When our good friend and comrade Willem Van Spronsen took a stand against the fascist detention center in Tacoma, he became a martyr who gave his life to the struggle against fascism. He was kind and deeply loved by many communities; we cannot let his death go unanswered. Throughout history we idolize figures like John Brown for their courage to take the ultimate stand against oppression, and today we stand strong in our support for yet another martyr in the struggle against fascism. May his death serve as a call to protest and direct action.

Last month, violent leftist protesters in Portland, Oregon, viciously attacked journalist and editor of Quilette, Andy Ngo. Ngo was hospitalized with a brain bleed. Pictures showed cuts and bruises to his face, as well as a torn earlobe.

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.@AOC, @IlhanMN repeatedly REFUSE to condemn Antifa attack on Tacoma ICE center, and won't tell Antifa to stop using violence. WATCH @TheRealKeean confront #AOC and #IlhanOmar

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Only three arrests were made that night.

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Nolte - MSNBC Host: We're Not Going to 'Play Fair' to Put Trump in Jail

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The Second Civil War Is Coming Into Focus, Reza Aslan Blames ALL Trump Supporters

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Published on Aug 5, 2019

The Second Civil War Is Coming Into Focus As Calls For Escalation Rock Social Media. We now have two major incidents in less than 24 hours where each person held an extremist ideology associated with far left or far right. Motivations are still mostly unconfirmed but many media outlets are operating under the assumption that the El Paso incident manifesto is legitimate.

In Dayton we learned that the perpetrator was far left, in support of Antifa, the DSA, and even expressed the need to "arm train prepare" in response to Anti Trump Rhetoric. No motivate is known yet as to why he did what he did.

In response to El Paso the rhetoric against Trump has dramatically escalated even as the president himself denounces the twisted ideologies. Reza Aslan tweeted one of the most frightening and dangerous calls to action and in the past Shaun King has tweeted praise for politically motivated incidents.

Its starting to come into focus, with high profile people acting without repercussion and calling for escalation. It seems that while conservatives mostly have no issues condemning this, the media and many on the left are outright ignoring the calls for escalation on their side.

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Heading for civil war

Someday there has to be a reckoning for leftist dysfunction.

August 8, 2019
By Peter Skurkiss

Donald Trump's opponents are completely unhinged. The hate and slander directed toward the president and his supporters is off the charts. The vitriol comes not just from the Democratic Party, the media, and the world of entertainment, but also from a sizable proportion of the federal bureaucracy and many seemingly ordinary people.
The media coordinate this campaign and amplify the hate at every opportunity. Media twist every event, be it big or small, into a criticism of the president. The goal is always not just to present Trump in an unfavorable light, but to make him appear too loathsome for polite society. And Trump is not the sole target of this demonization. It is directed at his supporters, too.

Where will all this lead? No less than Angelo M. Codevilla fears that it could ultimately result in a bloody civil war. If it comes to that, there's no doubt where he places the blame.
The story of the modern American Left's sponsorship of hate and violence began around 1964, when the Democrats chose to abandon the Southern constituencies that had been their mainstay since the time of Jefferson and Jackson. In less than a decade, the party found itself increasingly dependent on gaining super-majorities among blacks, upscale liberals, and constituencies of resentment in general — and hence on stoking their hate.
For the past half-century, America's political history has been driven by the Democrats' effort to fire up these constituencies by denigrating the rest of America.
Codevilla notes that prominent Democrats like Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Hillary Clinton have led millions of their followers "to think and act as if conservatives were simply a lower level of humanity, and should have their faces rubbed in their own inferiority."
It's not surprising that many ordinary followers have concluded that harassing conservatives in restaurants, airports, and public functions is "not just permissible but praiseworthy, and if thousands of persons who exercise power over cities, towns, and schools have not concluded that facilitating such harassment and harm is their duty."
This is the toxic environment that the Democrats, in conjunction with the media, have created. Has Pandora's box been opened? Are we beyond the point of no return? Are leftists and their liberal soul mates too obtuse not to expect that hate and violence will someday be answered in kind? These questions are up in the air. Right now, one thing is clear. As Yeats wrote: "The best lack all conviction while the worse are full of passionate intensity."
Codevilla's worry about a civil war dovetails with The Fourth Turning,: What the Cycles of History Tell Us about American's Next Rendezvous with Destiny (1997) by William Strauss and Neil Howe. To my reading, these authors predict a Fourth Turning Crisis period around the years 2020–2022. Then, many things that Americans have always taken for granted will unravel.
Just to touch on a few of the changes that Strauss and Howe see: Today's soft criminal justice system will become swift and rough. Vagrants will be rounded up and the mentally ill recommitted. Criminal appeals shortened and executions hastened. Pension funds will go bust, and Social Security checks will become iffy. The full spectrum of society will be under distress. All the problems will be combined into one: the survival of society.
Aren't the seeds already planted for a crisis? Trust in Washington and in government institutions is at an all-time low. Political violence is tacitly condoned and often openly encouraged by Democratic officeholders. The political establishment encourages massive illegal immigration. The mainstream media is highly partisan and corrupt beyond reform. The American flag, the country's history, and even its nationhood are openly despised in universities. Society is being forced to swallow the harebrained ideas that sex is fluid and that homosexuals can marry. American public schools are a disgrace despite the money poured into them. The country is burdened by a $22-trillion national debt to which many trillions more of unfunded government liabilities must be added. Students owe a trillion dollars in school loans that can never be repaid.
Someday, there has to be a reckoning for all this dysfunction. Irrespective of the election results in 2020, the time frame of 2020–2022 sounds about the right for things to come to a head. It would be prudent to be ready.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...civil_war.html

McAfee Offers Latest Advice For Coming Civil War: "Arm Yourselves To The Fu*king Teeth"



"Colorado and New Mexico; worthless land - ignore it. See if you can sell it to Mexico."

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The always rogue and occasionally imprisoned John McAfee has been dispensing free advice to all who will listen; from his "Mixology 101" series on bartending, to his Central America travel guide, to offering advice for young men, (which includes "stay out of jail as much as possible") - the 73-year-old gun-toting cybersecurity pioneer who parties harder than most 23-year-olds has some advice for surviving the upcoming civil war.



"Arm yourself to the ****ing teeth"
Pointing to a political map of the United States ("This is the layout, assuming we're having war"), McAfee suggests that blue states "arm yourselves to the ****ing teeth" with 'vastly superior Israeli weaponry.'

To the blue states of Colorado and New Mexico; "I'm sorry, you're surrounded. See if Mexico won't annex you."
To the central-north states, "you're too damn cold, noone wants you," and the Northeast should "just tell them you're part of Canada and they won't know the ****ing difference."
To Florida, McAfee suggests "change the state language to Spanish, and when the invaders look for "el baño" (the bathroom) - can't find one, they'll go home."

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Hateful words on both sides of the gun issue. Is civil war coming? If so, here's my advice to both sides:

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How should red states prepare?
To the 'conservatives, the gun owners,' - "you should anticipate that the West Coast is going to arm itself to the ****ing teeth with the latest Israeli weapons. I suggest you preempt this by selling them your daisy bb-rifles and tell them they're AR-15's, they won't know the ****ing difference."
"Colorado and New Mexico; worthless land - ignore it. See if you can sell it to Mexico," advises McAfee.
"The central north - too damn cold, you don't want that. And the Northeast, it's part of Canada - ignore it."
Finally, "Florida - if you cannot sell it to Cuba, then blow the bridges and stock Piranha in all the swamps, that will keep them busy till the war is over."

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...s-fuking-teeth

Charles Nenner Warns: "Civil War Cycle Is Heating Up In America"



"I am more worried about internal social war in the United States than outside wars... I don’t feel comfortable living in the United States anymore because people are so aggressive on everything..."

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Via Greg Hunter’s USAWatchdog.com,

Renowned geopolitical and financial cycle expert Charles Nenner thinks the probability for war and civil unrest is coming around in an intense cycle not seen for decades.


Nenner says, “Years ago when we talked about my war cycles, I said I am more worried about internal social war in the United States than outside wars."

"I think there is a bigger chance in the United States than in Europe. They say it’s Trump’s fault... I say it’s the other way around. If the Democrats would just get things organized and people would not get that angry...
The media will always take the other side, so they will never solve it. I think it is the Democrats whose fault it is that all these killings are there and not the Republicans...
So, there is a cycle of social unrest in the United States, which is 60 years old. So, you go back to what happened in the 1960’s. It could explode, and I think it is going to explode, and there is going to be a major problem...
I don’t know how bad it is going to be, but based on cycles, it has to be worse than the 1960’s. Each cycle always is worse...
WWII was worse than WWI, so every cycle becomes worse than the first cycle...
I don’t feel comfortable living in the United States anymore because people are so aggressive on everything. I went to the airport and I asked where the men’s room was, and they almost killed me. They said there was no men’s room. It’s called a ‘people room.’ I said I was sorry, you don’t have to be so aggressive.”

Externally, there is still much risk coming from Nenner’s war cycle. Nenner says:

“One mistake and it could ignite the whole situation. Now, we have the thing with Russia going on. It could come from anywhere. It’s just a dangerous period.”

Nenner has gotten the attention of some world leaders because he is forecasting a coming war cycle. Nenner says:

“I am going to tell you a secret that I have not shared with anybody. You know that I was approached by a delegation of Russians, and I was invited to Russia because Mr. Putin has watched my war cycles and he is very interested. I’ve been already, and I just gave you a clue as to what’s going on behind the scenes.... If you look at my website, you see me on Moscow 1 Channel with Putin.”

Nenner will not disclose what he told Putin about his war cycle work, but he added that he “Works with the Chinese government also, and people in the East are esoteric and not as rational as the West likes to believe..."

"I find it interesting that I was on television with Putin and no American ever approached me as to what is going on over there. So, the whole world is in disarray.”

Nenner also talks about Germany’s Deutsche Bank, which the IMF has branded the “most dangerous bank in the world,” and the long term outlook is not rosy.
Join Greg Hunter as he goes One-on-One with renowned geopolitical and financial cycle expert Charles Nenner.



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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...eating-america

SALON is a Left Leaning Mag

The first step was to tell the insane members of their cult that Trump supporters are ALL Nazis and white supremacists.
Their leaders are encouraging this hate with very, BIG lies that the media is repeating. For example:
Nicolle Wallace said, "Trump Wants to Exterminate Latinos",
Like I keep telling you, these people are serious, fully demented, and very desperate.
Keep your powder dry, stay awake.



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Yes, Democrats need a civil war: Believe it or not, it's the only real path back to power

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Bernie Sanders; Barack Obama; Hillary Clinton (Getty/Justin Sullivan/Win McNamee/Chip Somodevilla) Yes, Democrats need a civil war: Believe it or not, it's the only real path back to power

Papering over the party's internal conflicts only led to defeat. Without open debate, victory will never come

Bill Curry

June 18, 2017 10:00AM (UTC)

In April, Bernie Sanders and Democratic National Committee chair Tom Perez took off on a bumpy cross-country road trip. Their "unity tour" mostly served to highlight their differences and remind people that Sanders is not actually a Democrat. May it be a lesson to Democrats: Unity requires agreement, which requires debate.
Many expected 2016’s losing party to engage in fierce debate and a bloody civil war. Had Republicans lost, they’d have opened fire on one another in their concession speeches. Democrats took another tack. First, they rehired all their top management; their discredited consultants and decrepit congressional leaders. Then, in the spirit of Debbie Wasserman Schultz, they cancelled the debate.

Party elders say it’s no time to squabble. They always say that. The specter of an emotionally arrested, proto-fascist fraud in the White House adds force to their argument, but ducking debate is what got Democrats here in the first place. This is in fact the exact right time, maybe even their last chance, to have one. So, what’s stopping them?
One problem is President Donald Trump. The danger is that while rubbernecking his 50-car pileup of a presidency Democrats run their own car into a ditch. A favorite Democratic strategy is to sit idly by, waiting for Republicans to implode. Trump’s serial idiocy and fast-mounting legal woes may trick them into thinking this time it may work.

Barack Obama is another problem. His charm was the glue that held Democrats together. They need to own their mistakes, which, by and large, are his. It’s a tender topic. Democrats in love with Obama prefer defending his legacy to saying what they’d do different. They pay a steep price for letting their feelings cloud their vision.
Political parties’ civil wars often take the form of insurrections. In 2009, the GOP base laid siege to the party, driving scores of incumbents from office. In just seven years, the worst Republican Party ever perfected a near monopoly of power. Democratic leaders warn their base that intraparty warfare would spell their doom. But it was while Democrats papered over their differences and Republicans shot each other in the streets that Republicans drove Democrats into exile. Civil wars, while risky, are also the chief means by which political parties are renewed.
The divisions that led to Republican civil war were relatively minor. Apart from the bank bailout, the principal grievance of the GOP base was that its leaders didn’t simply arrest Obama. Divisions between the Democratic base and its elites ran far deeper, yet there was little unrest to speak of. A crucial factor was the tight bond between the party and institutions that purport to speak for the base.

Progressives once prized their independence. For a century, independent, progressive movements gave the party vision, energy and spine. Late 19th-century populists, early 20th-century progressives and the mighty, mid-20th century labor movement kept Democrats in a constant state of political and intellectual ferment. Thus was forged a social contract, and with it the modern middle class.
In the early 1980s, liberal groups formed political action committees and entered electoral politics. The party soon colonized them. Grassroots movements morphed into Washington lobbies, trading the politics of pressure for the politics of access. They became so obsessed with defending Democrats, they lost the will to challenge them. Both sides were better off in a more arm's length relationship. Progressives can do little when they are chloroformed and pinned down in a Democratic display case.

In 2016 Sanders backers fumed over the Democratic National Committee's conniving with Hillary Clinton's campaign. But the DNC could screw up a two-car funeral. It’s too ineffectual to effect anything as big and complicated as an election. Progressives made Clinton. Without labor, she’d have opened the 2016 campaign with three straight losses (in Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada). Labor’s top goals were blocking trade deals and enacting a living wage. Sanders was with labor. Clinton wasn’t. He outperformed her in nearly every general election poll. Labor went with her anyway, often without consulting the rank and file.
Most old line, Washington-based African-American, women’s, LGBT and environmental groups did likewise. It was the progressive establishment, not the party establishment, that secured Clinton’s nomination. The democratization of the Democratic Party starts with the democratization of the left.

What hope and energy we have comes from web-based mass membership groups like Democracy for America and Moveon.org and upstarts like the Working Families Party (which endorses but also primaries Democrats while seeking its own spot on the ballot) and 350.org (which doesn’t even do electoral politics). But the new kids on the block can’t do all the heavy lifting.
People hear debate on the left and think the Democratic Party is having one. But party leaders debate only when forced to by their base. Much of the left no longer engages the Democratic Party. The Tea Party showed us how much incumbents fear primaries, yet the Green Party is content to run protest candidates in general elections. The problem isn’t just votes lost in November but energy drained year-round from a party in desperate need of a revolt. The left still doesn’t know how or where to bring the fight. The goal isn’t just to reform the party establishment but to replace it.
Even if Democrats woke up tomorrow morning wanting to debate, they might not know how. In the '80s, Republicans poured hundreds of millions of dollars into right-wing think tanks. Democrats invested their more modest fortunes in pollsters and consultants. To this day, when Republicans make a case, Democrats tell a story, which is sort of like bringing cotton candy to a knife fight.

Democrats waste millions on corporate marketing techniques that work only for the other side. Their technology contains the seeds of their defeat. The 2012 Obama campaign was hailed for its advances in data mining and narrowcasting to niche markets. But saying different things to different people isn’t how you get change. It’s how you stop it. The way you get change is by engaging a whole nation in a single debate.
I was once privileged to work for the nuclear freeze movement. We didn’t have different ads for different states. If we had a slogan, I can’t recall it. We weren’t for "world peace." We were for a bilateral, verifiable freeze on the development, production and deployment of nuclear weapons. Without concreteness and specificity, there can be no real demand or debate. Change comes via primitive forms of communication: People sharing values face-to-face, not for 30 seconds or 140 characters, but for as long as it takes to change a mind or explain a new idea.
In farewell interviews Obama was often asked to name his biggest mistake. His invariable response: He wished he’d done a better job “telling our story.” But he didn’t need to tell a story about Obamacare. He needed to fix it. Democrats listen too much to nimble thinkers like Drew Westen and George Lakoff who tell them they need narratives and metaphors to reach past our prefrontal cortexes to regions of the brain that run our emotions. Maybe, but do our reptilian brains ever choose progress? Democrats don’t need a story; they need a blueprint.

The greatest impediment to debate is of course the Democrats’ addiction to high-dollar fundraising. Big money doesn’t just favor one party over the other; it mortgages both parties to the status quo and thus to the past. Democrats craft separate messages for their donors and their voter base, encrypting each of them in hard-to-crack code. The result is a message so muddled no one understands or trusts what they say.
In 2016 more millennials voted for the Libertarian Party than the Green Party, perhaps because the loudest voice in Congress to defend our privacy and resist our impulse to empire is Rand Paul’s. Democrats must help America see that its safety lies not in force of arms but in the rule of law, and that assaults on privacy are assaults on one's very personhood. On the overarching issue of our time, climate change, Democrats still don’t speak loudly or clearly enough. There are so many issues Democrats are afraid to debate; it’s hard to know where to begin. They might start by facing three huge issues left unresolved in 2016:
Health care: Democrats scorn Republicans for not producing a plausible alternative to Obamacare, but neither have the Dems. Obamacare isn’t dying, but it has a fatal flaw: It costs too much. The best solution is single-payer national health insurance; you can’t even make a dent in the problem without a strong public option. Obama ran on a public option but came to view it as a liberal fetish rather than a way to make health care affordable to small businesses and the self-employed. He promised to bring C-Span cameras into health care negotiations but instead went behind closed doors to grandfather the insurance and pharmaceutical industries into his system. He thus gave up all hope of containing costs. It’s time Democrats admitted their mistake and embraced an alternative. As 60 percent of Americans support single-payer plans, Democrats might start the conversation there.
Trade: Economists still tout David Ricardo’s theory of comparative advantage. Ricardo was a smart guy, but he’s been gone a long time. Today comparative advantage means huge companies on an endless prowl for low wages and weak governments. In developing countries, this lifts people out of poverty but never into the middle class. In developed countries, it shrinks the middle class while enabling corporations to encroach further on democracy. Had the Trans-Pacific Partnership been debated in public rather than brokered in secret, such issues might have been addressed, perhaps even resolved.

Public corruption: In 2008 and 2016, the winning candidate’s closing argument was all about corruption. Obama’s vow to “fix Washington” was less vivid than Trump’s vow to “drain the swamp,” but it was the same promise. Sanders’ campaign boiled down to three points: Our democracy is corrupt, the middle class is dying and the reason the middle class is dying is that our democracy is corrupt. Hillary Clinton was such a weak candidate not because she was personally corrupt but because the whole system is corrupt, and she didn’t want to believe it.
Public corruption is so invisible to elites it drove two historic elections but barely drew notice from pundits. The worst is what we mislabel “soft corruption”— all the stuff that’s clearly wrong but still legal; the campaign cash, the no-bid contracts, the revolving doors and all the ethics laws that reward the subtle rather than the good. Global finance capitalism runs less on innovation than corruption. Democrats must admit it, fire every leader who won’t, and then put the issue where it belongs, at the center of the debate.
The lessons of 2016 are hard but simple: On, the power of ideas is greater than the power of money. Two, policy precedes message; first figure out what you believe, then how to tell people about it. Trump won by co-opting issues of political reform and economic justice. He didn’t steal them; they were a gift from Democrats. What would it take to get them back? Probably a revolt — for sure a debate. Leaders must turn away from their donors and their consultants and re-enter the marketplace of ideas. Any who resist must be sent packing, before time runs out.

Bill Curry

Bill Curry was White House counselor to President Bill Clinton and a two-time Democratic nominee for governor of Connecticut.


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