Thread: Credit Suisse Wealth Report: There Are More Poor People In America Than China

Oct 14, 2015 @ 04:36 AM

Credit Suisse Wealth Report: There Are More Poor People In America Than China

This is a wonderfully counter intuitive finding from the new Credit Suisse Wealth Report. There’re more poor people in America than there are in China. No, really, this is true, when measuring by wealth. We’ve not got the detailed number of the United States alone as they’re offering the information by region. But Canada’s population size means that we don’t have to worry about that very much (sorry, Canadians). To a reasonable level of accuracy there’s no one in China in the bottom 10% of the world’s population by wealth. And yet there’s some 10% of those global poor in North America, and another 20% or so in Europe. So, yes, it really is true that there’re more poor people in America (and Europe) than there are in China.

Which, when you think about it, is really very odd indeed. Because China has more people than those two other regions put together and it’s also much poorer than those two regions put together. So, we really would think that there’re more poor people in China than there are in the United States. So what’s causing this? Inequality? The impositions of the capitalist plutocracy? Something that Bernie or Hillary can sort out for us?

No, it’s that the US and Europe have developed financial and banking systems, in a manner which most of the rest of the world doesn’t really, at least not yet. Here’s the fun chart:

As you can see, America (again, this is the US plus Canada) has some 10% of the poorest people in the world and also some 30% of the richest.Europe has (by eye) perhaps 20% of the world’s poorest people and 35% of the richest (there’s more people in Europe). And China has pretty much none of the world’s poorest people and say 7 or 8% of the world’s richest.

Yet we know very well that America and Europe are very much richer than China. So, what’s going on? Is it all just that the wealth is being taken by the plutocrats in our deeply unfair and unequal societies? No, it isn’t. Because we’ve got to understand what this number actually is. It is wealth, not income. And it is also net wealth, that is the value of all assets minus the value of all debts. As the report makes clear:
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To determine how global wealth is distributed
across households and individuals – rather than
regions or countries – we combine our data on the
level of household wealth across countries with
information on the pattern of wealth distribution
within countries. Once debts have been subtracted,
a person needs only USD 3,210 to be among the
wealthiest half of world citizens in mid-2015.
However, USD 68,800 is required to be a member
of the top 10% of global wealth holders, and
USD 759,900 to belong to the top 1%. While the
bottom half of adults collectively own less than 1%
of total wealth, the richest decile holds 87.7% of
assets, and the top percentile alone accounts for
half of total household wealth.

So, you need $3,000 or so to be in the top half of the world’s wealthy people. And $70,000 or so to be in the top 10%. In pretty much all of Europe and America this means that anyone who has paid off their mortgage is in the top 10%. And anyone with a reasonable private pension would be too.

So, how do we end up with all those poor people, poor in wealth that is, in those rich countries? Because of this:

If you’ve no debts and have $10 in your pocket you have more wealth than 25% of Americans. More than that 25% of Americans have collectively that is.

It is possible to have negative wealth. To have debts that are greater than your assets. But this is only possible in a reasonably advanced society, where there’s a financial and banking system that will lend to people without assets. And that’s what that negative wealth is. Part of the financial life cycle rather than evidence of great poverty. For example, that newly minted Harvard graduate, carrying perhaps $150k of debt and now coining it on Wall Street as a junior analyst would be counted, in this wealth measurement, as being in those poorest 10% of the world. Those poor people in India and Africa aren’t poor in this same manner. They’re the people standing there with their labour and the clothes on their back and nothing else. But the people in the rich countries who are in that bottom 10 and 20% of the world’s wealth distribution are simply people with more debt than assets. And the reason there’re no Chinese in there is because the Chinese financial system doesn’t work that way. Mortgages, student loans and so on pretty much don’t exist: so there’s no one with negative wealth.

Which is how we get to those numbers. And then we have to acknowledge that these numbers are all entirely wrong. Not because Credit Suisse has made a mistake: they are following the accepted definitions all the way through. It’s that those accepted definitions themselves are wrong. Because we only count financial wealth and we only count some kinds of it. Housing wealth (equity, so house value minus any mortgage), financial assets (stocks and bonds etc), other assets (furniture etc) and private pension savings. We are not including, for example, any valuation of future Social Security benefits. Nor any value of human capital: that Harvard degree (if it was in, say, puppetry) might not be worth what was paid for it but it’s worth something. Nor what is the greatest source of wealth for everyone in the developed countries: that happenstance that we were born into developed countries. Countries where if we go broke the children will still get educated, we’ll still get medical care, food, shelter and all the rest: the value, in short, of being a citizen of a country with a developed welfare state.

And that value is significant. It’s pretty much impossible to do a net present value calculation of the future stream of income from that welfare state, if we should need it, and think that it’s anything less than $100,000 of contingent at least wealth. Meaning that to be accurate we would have to say that absolutely no one in the rich countries, bar someone not yet discharged from bankruptcy, is outside the top 10% (or, given that this would change the deciles themselves 20% or so) of the wealth distribution. Simply because if it all goes horribly, disastrously, wrong, we’ll still be getting some thousands a year from the welfare system. An amount that would already put us into the top 50% of the global income distribution (actually, just that $29 a week of the average food stamp, or SNAP, payment, puts you into the top 50% of the global income distribution).

So, the correct answer is that there’s simply no poor people in America or Europe, even though the way we measure wealth means that it appears that there’re more poor people in those two places than there are in China.

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworst...ca-than-china/

And that value is significant. It’s pretty much impossible to do a net present value calculation of the future stream of income from that welfare state, if we should need it, and think that it’s anything less than $100,000 of contingent at least wealth. Meaning that to be accurate we would have to say that absolutely no one in the rich countries, bar someone not yet discharged from bankruptcy, is outside the top 10% (or, given that this would change the deciles themselves 20% or so) of the wealth distribution. Simply because if it all goes horribly, disastrously, wrong, we’ll still be getting some thousands a year from the welfare system. An amount that would already put us into the top 50% of the global income distribution (actually, just that $29 a week of the average food stamp, or SNAP, payment, puts you into the top 50% of the global income distribution).

So, the correct answer is that there’s simply no poor people in America or Europe, even though the way we measure wealth means that it appears that there’re more poor people in those two places than there are in China.

What a pathetic effort to deny the truth of the matter. Equity in a home doesn't mean squat if you miss 2 payments and the bank takes it. That's why Credit Suisse doesn't count it.

Welfare is not wealth, it's government charity, so of course it can't be counted as wealth, especially when the payments aren't even paid for, but accruing to a national debt.

I've always wondered how these poor Mexicans and Guatemalans can have enough money to pay smugglers $12,000 to sneak them into the country, when 80% or more of Americans don't have and will never have $12,000 cash on them to pay for anything.

But that was a clever try by the author to defy reality and deny the truth of the matter.

We have to stop this outrageous illegal immigration and end this free trade treason nightmare, and we have to do it now.

GO TRUMP!

Poor in America ?

The following are facts about persons defined as “poor” by the Census Bureau as taken from various government reports:

• 80 percent of poor households have air conditioning. In 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
• 92 percent of poor households have a microwave.
• Nearly three-fourths have a car or truck, and 31 percent have two or more cars or trucks.
• Nearly two-thirds have cable or satellite TV.
• Two-thirds have at least one DVD player, and 70 percent have a VCR.
• Half have a personal computer, and one in seven have two or more computers.
• More than half of poor families with children have a video game system, such as an Xbox or PlayStation.
• 43 percent have Internet access.
• One-third have a wide-screen plasma or LCD TV.
• One-fourth have a digital video recorder system, such as a TiVo.

http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...-americas-poor

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Originally Posted by JohnDoe2

Poor in America ?

The following are facts about persons defined as “poor” by the Census Bureau as taken from various government reports:

• 80 percent of poor households have air conditioning. In 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
• 92 percent of poor households have a microwave.
• Nearly three-fourths have a car or truck, and 31 percent have two or more cars or trucks.
• Nearly two-thirds have cable or satellite TV.
• Two-thirds have at least one DVD player, and 70 percent have a VCR.
• Half have a personal computer, and one in seven have two or more computers.
• More than half of poor families with children have a video game system, such as an Xbox or PlayStation.
• 43 percent have Internet access.
• One-third have a wide-screen plasma or LCD TV.
• One-fourth have a digital video recorder system, such as a TiVo.

http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...-americas-poor

So what? Maybe they bought those items when they were working before they were poor. Maybe someone gave them some of the items, or they bought them for a few bucks from a friend who was getting a new one. Maybe they saved their pennies and dimes up for a couple of years to buy their kids a cheap computer so they could do their school work and the parents could go on line and look for jobs. Maybe the house has cable service, but it's not on, because they can't afford to sign up for it.

Maybe the homes they live in are rentals that have a window air-conditioner in the bedroom or central heat and air. That doesn't mean they can pay the utilities to operate them, because most can't.

In any event, most everything the Heritage Foundation, a 501 C 3 tax fraud "charity" publishes from "government reports" is not something most people would consider reliable. After all, it is the government who says "free trade is good for America" and illegal aliens "do the jobs Americans won't do". Oh, and the best one of all, the US unemployment rate is 5.1%.

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