Thread: Do You Think That Egyptians Are Heroes For Overthrowing Morsi? Wake Up!!!

Do You Think That Egyptians Are Heroes For Overthrowing Morsi? Wake Up!!!

Posted on July 5, 2013 by Dean Garrison

I am sick of everyone rushing to pat the people of Egypt on the back. They got rid of a crook. It doesn’t make them good people who are interested in global freedom. I have been following this land of idiots for a while now and before Morsi was overthrown no one seemed to care. I cared because of all of the money we were sending them. I had to know what that money was supporting.

These people are not at all what you think. Here is a good example…
You probably don’t realize that one of Morsi’s promises was to free the Blind Sheik. The B.S. is an icon to terrorist wannabes all over Egypt. The fact that Morsi didn’t deliver is one of the reasons they are upset. You won’t hear that on mainstream media channels. The Wall Street Journal reported a year ago:

Egypt’s President-elect Mohammed Morsi made a nod to his base in a speech on Friday when he pledged to seek the release of Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman from U.S. custody.
Sheik Abdel-Rahman, who is better known as the “blind sheik” is serving a life sentence at a federal penitentiary in North Carolina for his role in planning the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center in New York City.

It is my belief that this promise ended up leaving four Americans dead in Benghazi, but we will talk about that on another day. I don’t want to talk about Morsi. I want to talk about the people who ousted him. Are they heroes?
Not in my book.

In a World Public Opinion poll Egyptian people agreed at a 61% rate that terrorist attacks against Americans are justified. It’s true. They hate us.
Pew Research did a poll last year of Muslims world wide. Here are some numbers for Egyptians:

• 74% favor making Sharia the official law in their country
• 95% say religious judges should have power to decide family law and property disputes
• 29% say suicide bombings are sometimes or often justified
• 75% say Sharia is a the revealed word of God
• 74% say that Sharia should apply to both Muslims and non-Muslims
• 70% favor corporal punishment for crimes such as theft
• 81% favor stoning as punishment for adultery
• 86% favor death penalty for leaving Islam
• 75% believe that religious leaders should have some (47%) or large influence (28%) over politics
• 41% believe polygamy is morally acceptable while only 8% responded that it was morally wrong
• 41% say honor killings are never justified when a male commits the offense but only 31% say honor killings are never justified when a female commits the offense
• 46% believe that women should decide if they wear a veil (think about that…we would assume that roughly 50% of respondents were women)
• 85% believe that a wife must always obey her husband
• 96% believe that Islam is the only religion that leads to heaven (Jordan also came in at 96% but no country ranked higher)
• 88% feel that converting others is a religious duty
• 50% believe that Christians are hostile toward Muslims

So I am supposed to make these people out to be heroes? Don’t be surprised if the guy that replaces Morsi is worse. People are making a lot out of nothing. You will hear what the press wants you to hear but the truth is that a lot of people wanted Morsi gone because he was too soft.
That is something you won’t be reading in very many places. This is a typical Militant Islamic society where women are treated like dirt, the only good Christian is a dead Christian, they hate Americans and all Western Cultures, they feel that Sharia Law is the only way, etc.
Other than that they are basically heroes for liberating their country from Morsi.
The numbers do not lie. Are there some good Egyptian people? Sure there are. But that society as a whole is not something I am ready to applaud. Shame on anyone who does.
Wake up people.
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I think that many Americans fail to understand the complexities of the situation in Egypt. Much like Syria, it seems to be a situation where there is not clearly a good side to support. Earlier in the week Rand Paul asked a fairly worthless question. The question will not get an answer. But after seeing his attempt to stop funding Egypt defeated by a huge margin in the Senate, Rand Paul had to call out his peers: “This is something that those who voted in Congress are going to have to live with,” Paul told The Cable on Thursday. “The question is: How does their conscience feel now as they see photographs of tanks rolling over Egyptian civilians?” Rand is assuming that fellow members of Congress have a conscience. This is one of the reasons that Paul has developed a following. He brings energy and wears his heart on his sleeve. I don’t always agree with his takes, but he has a conscience and I believe he is a good man. AFTER his comments, a YouTube video was released that shows exactly the sort of thing Rand Paul is talking about. Egypt is not China. There will be no second coming of “Tank Man,” at least not with the same ending. There will not be a “Pots and Pans” rebellion here as there was in Iceland. This is not about “democracy” as we know it. This is war. Votes are most accurately cast through the barrel of a gun here. The Egyptian military may currently be popular with the masses, but that does not make them any less brutal than Morsi and The Muslim Brotherhood. As I already mentioned, in places like Egypt and Syria, it is hard to tell who the good guys are. The truth is that there aren’t any clear-cut good guys, and that is exactly why we shouldn’t be sending American tax dollars there. The following video is fairly graphic. We don’t know the name of the “Egyptian Tank Man” and we don’t know if he survived this. But what we do know is that he stood unarmed against a tank and lost. Pick sides all you want and you will likely be supporting questionable leadership in Egypt. I said when this started that these people were not heroes. Morsi is a really bad man that was overthrown by other men who aren’t necessarily good. I leave you today with “Egypt’s Tank Man.” So what is the answer America? I don’t know, but I certainly don’t want to see my tax dollars funding this stuff. We would be much more helpful to send prayers rather than money.

Just my opinion.

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Well now I guess it is : "What difference does it make"???

A View of Islam, Muslims and Civil Law

Posted on August 18, 2013 by F J Rocca


Like many Americans before 9/11, I was always willing to give Muslims a fair shake. That was based on knowing and liking many people of the Muslim faith. I worked with them in New York and one couple I got to know well even traveled from New York to Baltimore to attend our wedding in 2007, giving us a rather extravagant gift. I would never suggest that these friends of mine would like to kill me or to take over America. This couple have lived in the US since 1962 and have worked and raised a family here, always respecting our way of life and abiding by all of our laws. The woman in the couple has been a friend of mine for years and has praised America, as did my French born father, for being the most wonderful land on earth because of its freedom and its opportunities. My friend is an enthusiastic American citizen. Her children were all born and educated here and have been encouraged to love America as she does. She abhorred the events of 9/11 and wept openly at the horror and loss of life. 9/11 was a shock that caused a collision for me between my tolerance of Muslims I had known and the obvious problems presented by what was then being referred to as radical Islam. I couldn’t reconcile this newly found difference in definition and I tried over and over to figure it out. As it turns out, my friend helped me. She explained that she had been educated in Catholic schools in Karachi, where she was born and raised. She admitted to me that it was this upbringing as a child that made her tolerant of and even appreciative of other religions. She even told me once that if she had not been born into a Muslim family and had not been brought up as a devout Muslim, she actually might have become a devout Catholic. She continues to be a devout Muslim, praying the requisite number of times per day, making a pilgrimage to Mecca, as is traditional, and wearing Muslim garb, although she does not wear a burka, telling me that Pakistani women do not often subscribe to this practice. I am best described as a casual Roman Catholic and several of her friends at work are Jewish, one of whom has attended the weddings of at least two of her children.
I have another friend who has studied the Koran with care and in a detailed way and has told me, using many examples, that if one strips out the elements put in by Mohammed, one is left with a set of religious elements that already existed in Jewish and Christian religions. This relationship between Islam and the Judeo-Christian tradition is well known and spoken of in Islam. Thus, if one removes certain elements such as the dictate that there is no free will but only a demand for obedience and a rule of Jihad, one is left with only what has been drawn from the Old and New Testaments. Thus, Islam is nothing more than a cobbled together set of beliefs from OTHER RELIGIONS. One might ask why there is even a need for Islam at all when the core is drawn from extant religions that are much older! This may sound strange, but it isn’t. Think of it analytically.
I agree 100% with the view that the core of Islam is the problem it has with the rest of the world, thus, that Jihad is NOT an aberrant or fringe element, but an integral part of orthodox Islam. As the very sincere and wise man in the video in Dean Garrison’s recent article said, most Muslims in the world just want to live their lives in peace with their neighbors of all other religions and nationalities. However, as Pam Geller has pointed out, the angry and evil Muslims who demand strict orthodoxy, constitute a large enough number that it can and does cause devastation wherever it goes, unless it is tempered by the greater hierarchy of a secular governmental structure and secular civil laws.

I believe that the answer to all of this is the established separation of the secular state and law from the practice of any and all religions in place of civil secular society. If Muslims obey the laws of our land and keep their practice of religion private, as they have done for many years before the advent of our first Muslim president, there would no problem today. But Obama IS a Muslim, culturally if not in strict practice. Make no mistake about this! Obama was trained in a Madrassa for several years and was brought up from birth as a Muslim. His conversion to Christianity came about via the very anti-American, antisemitic Jeremiah Wright, who was himself once a practicing Muslim. Islam does not ALLOW CONVERTS, remember? But it does encourage what is called Taqia, the dispensation to lie to non-Muslims and to masquerade as a non-Muslim for the purpose of Jihad. My Muslim friend in New York agrees, by the way, that Obama is nothing BUT a Muslim who disguises his real religious commitment in order to be President.
I am no atheist, nor do I subscribe to the atheistic assault on religion. However, atheists demand separation of church and state. Yes, they demand it to a degree not even imagined by the founding fathers of our country, and they aim their anger mostly at Christians and Jews. I have heard relatively little anger expressed by atheists against the intention of Muslim domination. Witness the fact that they abhor the existence of a creche at Christmas time school displays, but enthusiastically support the showing of Muslim symbols in the same schools. Yet, the separation of church and state, as a concept embodied in our founding documents, might be the antidote to the poison that is Islamic domination. Even in predominant Muslim countries, such as Gamal Ataturk’s Turkey and the Iran of the Shah, other religions were allowed to practice. In Pakistan, too, where my friend was allowed freely to attend Roman Catholic schools. This separation of church and state, as we know, is necessary in a free society. It could, at the very least, be the neutralizing agent we need against the encroachments of Islam upon our America. I suggest that my Muslim friend in New York would concur.
FJ Rocca
FJ Rocca is an independent, conservative writer/blogger of fiction and non-fiction, most interested in the philosophy of American Conservatism. Clarity is more important than eloquence, but truth is vital in human discourse.
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Massacre In Egypt: Military Declares Martial Law, Police Attack Morsi Supporters, At Least 278+ Dead, 3 Journalists Dead, Coptic Churches Burn (Live Stream)

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20 churches burned, 7 damaged in Egypt, according to Christian human rights group, Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights

Egypt Health Ministry says 278 killed, including 43 security forces, nationwide, over 2,000 injured

41 people killed in Egyptian province of Minya, health ministry officials say

Egypt’s interior minister says 43 policemen killed in clashes with pro-Morsi protesters

8 leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood have been arrested during a police operation to take over Rabaa Square sit-in in Cairo

Ministry of Health: At least 10 killed in Alexandria

Egypt curfew enters into force

Egyptian security forces torched the Field Hospital in Rabaa al-Adawiyya Square.

Medical sources say 15 killed in Ismailia in clashes.

At least four soldiers were injured in rocket attacks by Salafi jihadists in the Sinai


Between 3000-4000 killed in egypt according to doctors talking with CNN

Egypt VP, Nobel laureate El-Baradei announces resignation

at least 51 killed in Foyum, Egypt health ministry says

149 killed and 1,403 injured so far today according to Egypt’s health ministry

List of Coptic churches attacked today so far

Mursi supporters shoot dead four policemen in police station in Cairo: state TV

Egypt curfew imposed on 12 provinces: Cairo, Giza, Alex, Beni Suef, Minya, Asuit, Sohag, Behiera, N Sinai, S Sinai, Suez, Ismailia

Egypt death toll climbs to 149, more than 1,400 injured: health Min spokesperson

Death toll from clashes in Egypt province of Fayoum rises to 35- health ministry official

(Illustration: Bon Pasteur Catholic Church & Monastry was attacked in Suez thru Molotov by Pro Morsi supporters)


The Telegraph says 124 are dead.

Protestors have stormed a police station in Giza (Karadaseh) killing all inside including 2 police officers & 2 conscripts

(Illustration: Prince Tadros church in Minya is now burning by protesters loyal to Ousted Morsi)


Ministry of Health raises death toll to 95 killed, 874 injured (It’smost definately higher than this)

The most disturbing photo of the day. Warning, its very graphic

Morsi Supporters torch 3 Coptic Christian churches

Egypt declares curfew from 7 pm to 6 am

According to Egyptian State Media, Egypt Army has arrested Shiekh Mohamed Hassan

Heavy gunfire near Tora prison

Gunfire reported around Cairo’s engineering college

543 people arrested in connection with on going operations to clear sit-in protests in 2 squares across Cairo

Egyptian banks and stock exchange closed

Armed groups storm Central Intelligence building in el-Arish

Fighting reported in 23 cities across Egypt between the Egyptian government and the Muslim Brotherhood and associated forces.

Copts and Coptic places of worship are being attacked by pro-morsi supporters. (see picture below)


(Illustration: a police car thrown into the void since the October 6 bridge, Cairo / the Coptic Church of Sohag after having been attacked by pro-Morsi)


According to the Arab Spring Chronicle: In the last balance sheet for the Chronicle, at least 157 people have died in less than 10 hours in Egypt, including more than 100 pro-Morsi and at least 15 soldiers and policemen. Both sides confront each other with heavy weapons in several cities including: Cairo, Suez, in the Fayum region.

Update: 95 killed across Egypt as a result of violence, 758 people wounded, ministry of health says

Report: Death toll at 1 Cairo hospital from police raid on pro-Morsi protest camp hits 60, medical worker say

Egyptian president declares state of emergency across Egypt for 1 month starting at 4pm local time – State TV

at least 3 journalists killed by shots of the pro-Morsi and soldiers whose: a photojournalist in contract for AlJazeera / a cameraman with SkyNews and a cameraman from GulfNews.

56 people killed, 526 injured in nationwide clashes, Egyptian Health Ministry says

17-year old daughter of Muslim Brotherhood leader Mohamed el-Beltagi killed during police assault on Rabaa square in Egypt, brother and Brotherhood spokesman says

“250+ confirmed deaths. Drs saying most critical patients will die from their bullet wounds. over 5000 wounded. biggest massacre since #coup,” Brotherhood spokesman Gehad al-Haddad said on Twitter.

SKY TV Arabic confirms that a SKY TV UK cameraman has been killed today in Rabaa al Adawiya, Egypt; 2nd journalist killed today
At least 9 people killed in Egyptian province of Fayoum after clashes between Morsi supporters and police, hospital official says

One reporter from Al Jazeera said he counted 94 bodies at a field hospital near one of the camps.

XPress, a newspaper from the United Arab Emirates, tweeted that one of its journalists, Habiba Ahmed Abd Elaziz, had been shot dead * RIP Habiba *




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Egyptian Military Creating Conditions for Dictatorship


Bio

Noha Radwan is an associate professor of Arabic and comparative literature at the University of California in Davis. She is the author of 'Egyptian Colloquial Poetry in the Modern Arabic Canon' (Palgrave Macmillan 2012). She previously taught at Columbia University an received Phd from UC Berkeley. Born and raised in Egypt, she participated in the 18 day protest in Jan.-Feb., 2011.

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PAUL JAY, SENIOR EDITOR, TRNN: Welcome to The Real News Network. I'm Paul Jay. In Egypt, at least 278 people have been killed in the latest round of violence as been military forces for the third time in recent weeks have massacred supporters of ousted president Mohamed Morsi. Officials have said 43 policemen died in the assault. Muslim Brotherhood claims 500 protesters were killed and 9,000 were wounded. Vice President Mohamed ElBaradei has resigned over the killings, and the Egyptian government has come under widespread international criticism for its use of force. The government has declared a state of emergency for 30 days, which includes a nighttime curfew. To discuss these developing events, we're now joined by Noha Radwan. She's an associate professor of Arabic and comparative literature at the University of California at Davis. Radwan was born in Egypt and was among the participants in the 18-day Tahrir protests in January-February 2011. And she joins us from Berkeley, California. Thanks very much for joining us, Noha.NOHA RADWAN, PROF. ARABIC AND COMPARATIVE LIT., UC DAVIS: [inaud.] having me.JAY: So, first of all, you've been on the phone with friends and relatives getting direct reports of what's happening. To what extent do you think the Western media is correctly reflecting these events?RADWAN: I think the Western media is in a bad situation, because the local media in Egypt are reporting very conflicting reports. The mainstream Egyptian media is not reporting anything close to the real number of casualties among the pro-Morsi supporters. On the other hand, the pro-Morsi television stations from Cairo, namely the Qatari Al Jazeera and Al Jazeera Mubasher, are reporting an exaggerated and inflated number of casualties. So I feel for the Western media, just like I feel for the Egyptian public, who really cannot find a trusted news source on the ground that can tell us what is going on.JAY: So what are you hearing from your sources?RADWAN: Again, my sources, like much of the Egyptian public, are very polarized. People are listening for what they really want to hear. It is difficult to get an accurate number of the number of the dead and injured. I think we would be in the ballpark if we talk about somewhere between 200 and 300 pro-Morsi supporters and tens of police officers and military personnel.JAY: So one thing is clear. Whether we know exact numbers of dead or not, it seems pretty clear there has been a massacre, another massacre that the military forces, military government has essentially cleared the pro-Morsi campers. I mean, all that is not in dispute.Let's go a little bit into why this is all happening. It wasn't that long ago there seemed to be a kind of love affair between the Muslim Brotherhood and the military. Qatar seemed to have maneuvered a kind of marriage between the two that has been blessed by the White House. Muslim Brotherhood was going to manage Egypt more or less on behalf of the West. They were negotiating debt relief from the U.S. government. The Americans blessed the IMF developing a loan plan for Egypt under Morsi. So everything looked like that's the direction things were going in. Now it starts to look like did the army simply give the Muslim Brotherhood enough rope to hang themselves and are they now deliberately creating a situation where there's no possible response from the Muslim Brotherhood other than a violent one. In other words, they get the terrorists they need to fully reinstall a military dictatorship.RADWAN: Yes, Paul, I think you're right on most of what you just said. I think we also need to start by condemning the excessive use of violence on the part of the Egyptian police. This is their policy. They do not know how to break sit-ins without excessive use of violence. So we need to start by condemning the excessive use of violence on the part of the Egyptian police.They asked, the military asked for a mandate from the Egyptian people on 26 July to do what is necessary as measures of counterterrorism. We all understood that this was for them to break the sit-ins in both Rabaa Square and [@nada] Square in Cairo and in other places. And we have waited long enough, hopefully, for them to develop a policy that would minimize the bloodshed. The policy that we're seeing on the ground right now is not minimizing bloodshed. There is a lot of use of live bullets and shooting to kill. So that is not, in my opinion, a way to break a sit-in, a way to quell political protests, and cannot be approved. It has to be condemned in very strong words.As to how we got to this very messy situation in which everyone loses--those who support Morsi and those who oppose him, everyone loses at this point--here we can say that all parties share the blame. I don't say they share it equally, but all parties share the blame. A year ago, when Morsi was voted as president, voted into office as president of the country, he should have understood that his votes, his close to 13 million votes that he garnered, were given to him by 5 million of his true supporters, who are advocates of the Muslim Brothers, and 8 million--almost 8 million people who are not supporters of the Brotherhood but who voted for him as not to allow the candidate who is Ahmed Shafik at the time, who was coming from Mubarak's ministry, and he was a member of the military. And to that extent, Morsi should have understood that he needs to court the 8 million, you know, half supporters that he had. Instead, he frittered away his coalition with the revolutionary forces, courted the military and the police force to no avail. He should have understood that this military has always been Mubarak's military and this police force has been the police force that was the reason for the 2011 Revolution in the first place. So even though he miscalculated and he thought that he had an alliance with the military and the police, it is proven that this is not the case.JAY: So you were in the square for much of the time of the original Tahrir protests. Recently, many of those same people who after those protests in the first period of military dictatorship before the elections, they'd--originally you had this the people and the army are one, and then it came to the point with down with military dictatorship. And then many of those same people, when they wanted to bring down Morsi, went back to the people and the army are one, and it helped create the conditions for this crackdown on Muslim Brotherhood and the overthrow of Morsi. I mean, shouldn't--I mean, what's happening here in terms of leadership of this movement that the people get, in a sense, some people say, manipulated so easily?RADWAN: You're right on all that. It is a tragic situation, some people call it a farcical situation, that the revolutionaries find themselves between a rock and a hard place. We all know that the military is the strongest institution in the country, both politically and economically, and we know that they had no desire to relinquish the power they enjoy in manipulating Egyptian politics.Resorting to the military on July 3 I think was a mistake. The revolutionaries made a mistake. But in justice to them, one has to say they were walking a very tight rope, because they felt like a year ago they opted for allying themselves with the Brotherhood, despite all the reservations against the Brotherhood previous policies and the dealings that the Brotherhood had with the military during the year 2012 when the Supreme Council of Armed Forces was in charge. Despite all that, the revolutionaries actually threw in their bets with the Muslim Brotherhood, and the Muslim Brotherhood failed them miserably.JAY: I think it's been said--I'm not sure if Marx said this or he quoted this--history repeats itself. The first time is tragedy; the second time is farce--I think in this case we can say tragic farce. So what next now? What are the revolutionaries, the secular movement--you know, they've been buffeted back and forth. They--certainly many of them sympathize with the military overthrowing Morsi. Now--where are they now? Because the conditions have been established now, especially if the Muslim Brotherhood and some other Islamist forces do take up terrorist tactics, which would not be a big surprise given their legal means of redress seems to have been cut off. We're back into a period of we have to fight terrorism, and we'll have another decade of military dictatorship.RADWAN: I feel terrible whenever anybody uses that phrase, anti-terrorism. It is not good when the Egyptian government uses it. It was not good when the American government used it. I hate that phrase in the first place. But let's go back to the makeup of what we call the Egyptian revolutionaries. There's no denying that the Muslim Brothers were part of the original protests in 2011. But we also know that they were latecomers onto the scene, because they did not want to take risk with a revolution or a protest movement that was not guaranteed to succeed. So they did not participate until January 28, three days later than everyone else.It is interesting to see how cautious they were in 2011 and how completely reckless they are with their own supporters and their own people right now. You really see the recklessness and the suicidal tactics they are taking by the number of women and children in these protests, despite the fact that the military and the police has been giving warning about assaults and, you know, attacks to break into the sit-in for already a few days. So it's just interesting for me to contrast the cautionary tactics and the way they were very careful not to expose women and children to violence in 2011 and in 2012, and now they're really going suicidal. Again, this is not to excuse the excessive use of force in breaking the protests. But to, you know, give it a bigger context, Morsi is no Nelson Mandela, as people are claiming. He's no Allende. His enemies may be as bad as Allende's enemies, but certainly the Muslim Brothers cannot claim that they have been--neither the leaders of the revolution nor that they have been nonviolent throughout the protests.JAY: But the--ElBaradei resigned today in protest against the killings. I mean, do you get a sense? Are the revolutionaries, the secular revolutionaries, are they coming out and really denouncing all of this?RADWAN: Not enough of them are doing that. I am afraid Morsi's year as president has polarized the population. A big part of the blame falls on the Egyptian media. Both those who are pro-Morsi and those who are opposed to him, both have been reporting hate speech and have been really polarizing the population to where I am horrified to see a lot of Egyptians that I think are good people feeling completely callous regarding the death on the camp that they don't support. So it is horrific and tragic and very upsetting, but I'm afraid most people are now not feeling too sorry for the Brotherhood.JAY: So what now? Are there emerging any political forces that can help lead this movement? 'Cause it seems to me that's part of the problem is there's such a lack of leadership that people simply get buffeted between one manipulating force and the other.RADWAN: Not yet. I think that that movement is going to emerge, but I haven't seen any signs that it's emerging yet. The emotions are running high on both sides, so that anybody like myself who does not want to side with one faction or the other is extremely unpopular right now. A lot of the people who have supported Baradei's decision in the past are kind of shocked, feeling a bit let down by his decision to resign at this point.JAY: But why? Because how could he not dissociate himself from this and maintain any credibility?RADWAN: If you ask me, I'm not sure how he didn't see this coming a few days ago. When you give the Egyptian military and then the Egyptian police a mandate to break sit-ins, I think it was not surprising to see what just transpired.JAY: This is why I go back to what I said earlier is that this seems to be designed to force the Muslim Brotherhood into a violent reaction. There are other ways to end sit-ins. There are many places that have sit-ins and don't end up with hundreds of people killed. They've created--and especially arresting the leadership of the Muslim Brotherhood. They've created no other alternative.RADWAN: [incompr.] police is not known for its good conduct. I mean, we have an Egyptian police force that has been in place for over 30 years using nothing but brute force and all sorts of abuses of power. So what can one expect from a police force like that?JAY: And, of course, the United States, their fundamental alliance is with the military. So one way or the other, they're not going to do anything that jeopardizes that.RADWAN: Yes. Don't get me started on the American policy. I feel like the Americans are just waiting for the winner, so that they can start playing with the winner.I don't believe that the Americans have a particular alliance with the Muslim Brothers, which is actually a very common belief on the Egyptian streets. I think they were happy to interact with the Supreme Council of Armed Forces in 2012 and would have had no problem with the Supreme Council of Armed Forces staying in power as long as the Egyptian people tolerate it and as long as things were stable.It was thanks to a lot of street protests that SCAF decided to actually hold the presidential elections when it did, at the beginning of 2012. If you remember the original plan when Mubarak stepped down, SCAF announced that they're going to rule the country for two years and not just one, and it was street protests that reduced that period to one year. The Americans did not raise a finger then. Then the Muslim Brothers came to power, and as long as it looked like they could keep the country stable, keep the neoliberal economic policy going, maintain the Camp David agreement with Israel, as long was that was in place, the Americans were willing to accept almost--.JAY: And Qatar, which is their close ally in the Middle East, along with the Saudis--.RADWAN: Qatar is the new kid on the block. They're trying to play the role that the Saudis have typically played in the region, I think not with a whole lot of success. After the--I don't want to call it coup or revolution. I don't really want to get into the discussion. It's an inane and irrelevant discussion. But after what happened on July 3, the Saudis were the first to congratulate the Egyptians on getting rid of the rule of the Brotherhood, and so was the United Arab Emirates. Everybody has their own agenda. No one really cares about the original aspirations of the Egyptian public and the goals of the revolution. If you remember, it's very simple. It's bread, freedom, and social justice. At this point, all of these demands have been put on the back burner. I think Egyptians are not going to see freedom in the name of freedom of--you know, as freedom of expression or freedom of political participation for a long time to come. All issues that have to do with social justice, which to me are the most important part of all these protests and revolutions and God knows what that we've been going through for the last three years, all of this has now been put on the back burner. So in the name of anti-terrorism, we're going to see some very bad years.JAY: Alright. Thanks for joining us, Noha.RADWAN: You're very welcome.JAY: And thank you for joining us on The Real News Network.End

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Colonel Ralph Peters Unloads On Muslim Brotherhood, Obama Administration – Great Video

Thursday, August 15, 2013 8:27








Published on Aug 14, 2013
Colonel Ralph Peters was on earlier with Martha McCallum and gave his analysis of the situation in Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood and the Obama Administration's foreign policy.



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Egypt: Churches Burned, Christians Attacked, Networks Barely Mention


ABC, NBC and CBS give week of anti-Christian violence just 5% of Egypt reporting.

Published: 8/21/2013 3:08 PM ET

n the media’s wall-to-wall Egypt coverage, one important facet of the ongoing crisis has gotten short shrift: the deadly plight of that nation’s Christians. The three broadcast networks in particular have buried the anti-Christian violence, devoting just 5 percent of Egypt reporting to it since last week. Six days ago, supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood and deposed President Mohammed Morsi launched what some are calling a “pogrom” and “jihad” against Egypt’s Christian population. Violence against Egypt’s Christian minority is nothing new. Nor is the media’s disinterest in it. But in the last week, that violence suddenly escalated to epidemic levels.
On Wednesday, Aug. 14, the Egyptian military cleared out areas of Cairo where Muslim Brotherhood supporters were staging sit-ins, resulting in violence and hudreds dead. Islamists across Egypt immediately scapegoated Christians, who had backed the military’s ouster of Morsi. Somewhere between 60 and 80 churches convents and schools have been looted and torched across the country, along with scores of Christian businesses and homes. Christian clergy and laymen have been beaten and killed, and church officials are on assassination lists. The Wall Street Journal cited Human Rights Watch, saying that four people had been killed in the attacks.
Websites and Facebook pages blame Christians for Morsi’s fall and charge them with wanting to drive Islam from Egypt. With police and the military often unable or unwilling to protect them according to both the Journal and The Washington Post, Christians have been staying indoors and out of sight. Shops are closed and food has run short in some areas. Churches and monasteries have cancelled services – in one case, for the first time in 1,600 years. Some of the oldest Christian congregations in the world are under siege.
But since Thursday, August 15, the networks’ morning and evening news programs have given the anti-Christian attacks just 5 minutes, 41 seconds of the 1 hour, 54 minutes of broadcast time they’ve spent covering Egypt. Upwards of 15 percent of Egypt’s population is in grave danger from sectarian violence, and ABC, CBS and NBC devote just five percent of their Egypt coverage to it.
To their credit, ABC and NBC each aired one thorough report on the anti-Christian violence, showing the burned out churches and featuring interviews with Christians. Unfortunately, the rest of their coverage has been perfunctory at best.
CBS gave the subject a mere 15 seconds, presented almost as an afterthought. On the Aug. 15 “CBS Morning News,” correspondent Alex Ortiz told host Anne-Marie Green, “The other thing that happened last night following the crackdown was the wave of attacks – thousands attacked Christian homes and churches. So Egypt is very much on edge as we wait to see how this plays out, with many fearing the worst.”
Green went on to tell viewers that “among the 235 civilians killed yesterday in Egypt were three journalists. Sixty-one-year-old Vick Dean was a cameraman for the British broadcaster Sky News. He was shot to death while covering events in the capitol. A 26-year-old reporter for the Gulf News was also killed as was an Egyptian journalist who worked for the state-run newspaper.” CBS clearly has its priorities.
That same day, CBS “Evening News” ran a 3-minute, 22-second report from correspondent Charlie D’Agata in Cairo. In it, D’Agata went into a mosque serving as a makeshift morgue for pro-Morsi protestors killed in the crackdown. He spoke extensively to a Florida native whose brother was killed. The camera showed dozens of bodies. It was a good report, and if D’Agata and CBS were interested, he could do just as good a job showing viewers the horrors that have befallen innocent Christians.
On Aug. 18’s ABC “World News Sunday,” Christians had to share a report with inanimate objects. Correspondent Muhammad Lila said, “With the country on edge, Christians, who make up about 15 percent of the population, nervously made their way to Sunday service. Even the country’s priceless antiquities haven’t been spared. At one of Egypt's national museums, shattered glass, an ancient sarcophagus damaged and priceless statues destroyed.” Lila might have noted that some of the burned churches dates to the 5^th Century, qualifying them as priceless antiquities, one would think.
The networks’ neglect comes even as the military-back Egyptian government has been criticizing Western media reporting on the government actions. And it comes despite pleas from Egyptian Christian officials for the Western media to tell the story – or at least get it right. Coptic Pope Tawadros II issued a statement condemning “false broadcast by Western media.” Tawadros demanded that reporting be “objective,” unlike what he saw as sympathetic coverage of “blood-thirsty radical organizations,” like the Brotherhood and its supporters. “Instead of legitimizing them with global support and political coverage while they are trying to wreak havoc and destruction upon our beloved land,” said the pope, “report all events truthfully and accurately.”
It remains to be seen if the networks will heed his call. Perhaps if a TV news camera team were to be caught in a burning church …

http://mrc.org/articles/egypt-church...barely-mention

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White House Jokes About Christians Being Murdered in Egypt



Every day is a new low for DC. Obama in particular continues to meddle in the affairs of other countries — with an almost 0% success rate. He continues to “accidentally” arm radicals, support the Muslim Brotherhood, and make excuses for Islamic attacks on people throughout the world.
His main response to Islamic terror seems to be drone strikes — a tactic notorious for creating massive collateral damage of innocent civilians, generally creating more backlash against the United States. In other words, Obama is always either directly supporting Islamic groups or “accidentally” increasing their numbers.
Today, the White House hit a new low. A White House spokesman told flat joke when asked about the murder of and violence against Christians in Egypt. Of all the times to joke, the murder of hundreds of people being ignored by the Obama regime isn’t one of them.


The Daily Caller reports:

The White House’s deputy press secretary today downplayed Muslim attacks on Christians in Egypt, joking about the savagery that has left at least six Christians dead.
Press secretary Josh Earnest was asked by Fox News’ correspondent, Ed Henry, if President Barack Obama has a “red line” beyond which he would act against Muslim attacks on Egyptian Christians.
“Well, I didn’t bring my red pen out with me today,” Earnest joked.
After making his joke, Earnest said the administration is “outraged… and concerned” about the Muslim attacks on almost 100 churches, monasteries, orphanages and other marked Christian sites. Many Christians’ shops and homes have also been looted and burned by mobs.
But Earnest didn’t name or criticize the attackers, even though he did charge the military with perpetrating “violence… against peaceful protesters.”

They refuse to mention the Muslim Brotherhood by name… but they continue to attack the Egyptian military. Playing favorites is a basic Obama strategy… and thousands of innocent people continue to suffer the consequences.
Please spread this article and demand that the White House apologize.

http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/murdered-christian-jokes/

Washington Post Still Defending the Muslim Brotherhood

Cliff Kincaid — August 26, 2013





Just two days after hundreds of Egyptian-Americans besieged the Washington, D.C. headquarters of The Washington Post, a Post editorial defended the absurd claim that the Muslim Brotherhood was not involved in the destruction of Christian Churches and attacks on Christians in Egypt.

We posted videos of the demonstration against the Post here and here. The demonstrators started their protest outside the White House and marched to the offices of the paper, chanting that the Post was lying about the Muslim Brotherhood’s role in anti-Christian terrorism.
The Post’s Saturday editorial, “Egypt’s beleaguered Christians,” repeated the false claim, saying, “…as The Post’s Abigail Hauslohner reported this week, there is no evidence that Muslim Brotherhood leaders, most of whom are imprisoned, had any role in organizing last week’s [anti-Christian] attacks.”
But this is not exactly what Hauslohner reported.
While she said that a “high-ranking Western official who was not authorized to speak on the record” claimed there was “zero indication that the Muslim Brotherhood as an organization is organizing these attacks,” evidence of Muslim Brotherhood involvement came from people that she quoted who witnessed the attacks.
However, Hauslohner’s report from the anonymous official that the blame rested with “Islamist vigilantes rather than Brotherhood members acting on orders” was a dubious claim that does not stand up under scrutiny.
The evidence demonstrates that the Muslim Brotherhood as an organization did encourage the violence.
In fact, in this video from Egypt, Safwat Hijazy, a strong backer of deposed President Mohamed Morsi linked to the Muslim Brotherhood, threatened to “spill the blood” of the Christians in Egypt if they backed the opposition and brought Morsi down.
The translation shows Safwat Hegazi saying, “This is a message to the Egyptian Church from an Egyptian Muslim: By Allah, if you conspire and join ranks with the remnants of the Mubarak regime in order to topple Morsi—things will be different between us.”
The crowd responds, “Allah Akbar, Allah Akbar.”
Safwat Hegazi goes on, “I say to the Church: True, you are our brethren to this country, but we have our red lines. The legitimacy of Dr. Mohamed Morsi is where we draw the line. If anyone splashes water on this legitimacy, we will splash him with blood.”
The New York Times noted that Hegazi is “a popular speaker” who introduced Morsi at his first presidential rally. The paper said he introduced Morsi by telling the crowd that he would usher in a “United States of Arabs” and “Islamic caliphate” with its capital in Jerusalem.
The Times confirmed that the threats against Christians were made during clashes outside the presidential palace last December: “As violent clashes took place outside the presidential palace last December, Mr. Hegazi turned his ire toward Egypt’s Christian minority, which makes up about 10 percent of the country’s 85 million people, sending a message by way of a large crowd of Morsi supporters.”
The paper noted the threats in the context of violence which erupted in April “after unknown assailants attacked a funeral at Cairo’s Coptic Orthodox Cathedral, killing one and injuring scores at the seat of the Coptic Church and home of its spiritual leader, Pope Tawadros II.”
Hegazi has since been arrested by the interim government which overthrew Morsi.
The Times added, “During an interview on a Brotherhood-linked satellite television channel, another prominent Brotherhood figure—Mohamed el-Beltagy, a charismatic senior member who is popular with many of the organization’s younger members—repeated the claim that most of Mr. Morsi’s opponents outside the palace last December were Christians.”
These statements invited violence against the Christians after the overthrow of the Morsi regime.
It is simply disgraceful that the Post editorial writer would base a conclusion of no Muslim Brotherhood involvement in anti-Christian violence on a statement from an anonymous official that flies in the face of all the evidence. No wonder Egyptian-Americans protested outside the paper’s headquarters.
Kristen Chick, Cairo correspondent for The Christian Science Monitor, found more evidence that somehow escaped the notice of the Post.
Here’s what she reported: “At the camp of Morsi supporters near Cairo’s Rabaa El Adawiya square, organized by the Muslim Brotherhood, some speakers on the protest’s stage railed against Christians and their ‘betrayal’ of Egypt. Attacks against Christians spread throughout Egypt, particularly in southern Egypt where the Christian population is large and sectarian violence common.” (emphasis added).
Chick noted that an August 7 statement from 16 Egyptian rights organizations condemned “the rhetoric employed by leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood and their allies which includes clear incitement to violence and religious hatred in order to achieve political gains, regardless of the grave repercussions of such rhetoric for peace in Egypt.”
A subsequent statement by nine other Egyptian rights organizations said, “the Muslim Brotherhood has decided to pursue political violence and terrorism for the time being; instead of engaging in self-criticism and recognizing its failure to maintain the trust of citizens who voted for it, the group seeks to spur the country toward a civil war, a possibility that first reared its head in November” (emphasis added).
“In December,” the statement said, “MB supporters killed their political opponents and tortured others, while Brotherhood leaders began fomenting anti-Christian sectarian incitement. The anti-Coptic incitement and threats continued unabated up to the demonstrations of June 30 and, with the removal of President Morsy on July 3, morphed into sectarian violence, which was sanctioned by the MB, both by their complicit silence and refusal to condemn these crimes and by the continued anti-Coptic rhetoric heard from the group’s leaders on the stage at Rabia al-Adawiya throughout the sit-in…” (emphasis added).
Chick also noted that what appeared to be the authentic Facebook page for the Muslim Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party in Helwan, south of Cairo, listed accusations against the church, before concluding: “After all this people ask why they burn churches.” The page noted that “burning houses of worship is a crime,” but added: “For every action, there is a reaction.”
Raymond Ibrahim, author of Crucified Again: Exposing Islam’s New War in Christians, reports that al-Qaeda’s Egyptian leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri, a former Brotherhood member, portrayed the overthrow of Mohamed Morsi and the Brotherhood as a “Crusader” campaign led by Coptic Pope Tawadros II.

He said, “The Islamic terrorist organization’s incitement against the Copts is just the latest emanating from Islamists—from the top of the Brotherhood leadership to the bottom of the ‘Muslim street’—and is creating something of an ‘open season’ on Egypt’s Christians.”
Rather than absolve the Muslim Brotherhood of its role in violence and terrorism, the Post should launch an investigation into how its editorial writers got the facts wrong and why hundreds of Egyptian-Americans showed up to protest the paper’s headquarters.


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