Thread: sign petition to open up free market for healt

If you go do downsizedc.com they have a peition to send to your reps to open up the free market system for healthcare. They explain that policies should not be a one size fits all policy. For example you shouldn't have to pay for maternaty care if you are a man, etc. Also if they would open up the market so you can buy from any state it will bring prices down also.





https://secure.downsizedc.org/etp/campaigns/113

Correct me if I'm wrong please. Isn't the free market why insurance is so expensive? Here is a transcript from President Nixon:

This is a transcript of the 1971 conversation between President Richard Nixon and John D. Ehrlichman that led to the HMO act of 1973:

John D. Ehrlichman: “On the … on the health business …â€

Ron Paul: I’d like to talk a little bit about the medical care crisis that we’re facing. Sometimes I’d like to think that it may be a government crisis rather than a medical care crisis, but we do have a mess in medicine and there is a lot of talk about what’s going on, not only throughout the country but here in Washington.

But first I’d like to describe how I see the problem developing and what has happened. A lot of people are arguing that free markets can’t deliver medical care, which I disagree with and the problems that we face today are not a consequence of the marketplace. They’re a consequence, they’re a failure of the government.

This idea of managed care was introduced during the Nixon years and this was a program designed to force people into medical care and provide PPO and HMOs and tax credits for certain groups and not any others. So we have been enduring managed care over these last 35 to 40 years and what has developed from this has been corporate medicine.

The individuals who were best able to gather up the money passed out by the government and were mandated by the government, they became the chief lobbyists. So the drug companies are lined up, the health insurance companies lined up, the health management companies lined and it turned out that they started running the show and actually made it less efficient.

So there is too much management and at the same time, too much of the money was going into these corporations, which was sort of the middlemen and the patients have suffered, the doctors have become unhappy.

The main complaint I hear is that medical care costs too much. “I can’t afford my insuranceâ€

Thank you agrneydgrl for that post from Ron Paul!!! That is one of the best things I have EVER read about healthcare. I didn't see any far right-wing "socialist" arguments that have destroyed any REAL reform. It seems that anytime real reform is needed, the other side screams "socialist" or "commie" without them even knowing the definition. If they did, they would know that we already have those things in place, thanks to the parties that they support.

Well stated jshhmr. Someday you are gonna make a good far right wing conservitive.

Originally Posted by roundabout

Well stated jshhmr. Someday you are gonna make a good far right wing conservitive.

I pray to God that I won't!! I just want the people of America to get what is fair. If that makes me far right-wing, so be it!! Screw em! I know that I have been critical, and I might have offended some people. For that, I am really sorry. Since the day that God showed me the light, I have been VERY impatient and have criticized other points of view. It took other points of view from other Alipacer's to show me how wrong I have been. For that,I am sorry. I really am trying to be more tolerant. It's just hard considering the times we are in.

I hope you are not turning thin skinned? Politics is rough and tumble. I have enjoyed your posts, do not always agree with everything stated but have enjoyed them nonetheless.

Kick them when they are down, afterall they are down for a reason, in politics how else can you expect them to become tougher?

Originally Posted by roundabout

I hope you are not turning thin skinned? Politics is rough and tumble. I have enjoyed your posts, do not always agree with everything stated but have enjoyed them nonetheless.

Kick them when they are down, afterall they are down for a reason, in politics how else can you expect them to become tougher?

No, I'm not thinned skinned. Thanks for your concern. I am just trying to learn a balance between right and left. I am a youngster after all and I have much to learn. I feel like I have been a jackass on a few posts that I have responded to. I feel really bad about that, because God doesn't want me to be that way. The biggest thing that I need to learn is tolerance and patience. I used to be that way, but since God showed me my way, I have had a hard time. I see the times we are in, and I KNOW that we can change things, but the far left wants to keep things the way they are even though it is dangerous to our future. I guess I have to accept things as the way they are, and deal with what comes my way.

Thank you roundabout and builditnow for showing me how I have been. I am really sorry that I have shown intolerance toward other people and their opinions. That is not what God taught me. Me having my own personal opinion does not mean that another person is wrong.

builditnow I am really sorry if I ever offended you in any way. Your last comment to my post about Rush opened my eyes to how I was being toward other points of view. For that, I hope you can forgive me. You were right. After a long prayer/meditation about the subject, God showed me I was wrong. My apologies to you if I offended you. You are entitled to your own opinions.

My goal on this site is to provide an un-biased point of view, so the other side doesn't have fodder to pray upon. I want the pro open border people to see that what they stand for is wrong, even though I might support their other causes. They need to know that people like myself exist. I can support their liberal causes, as long as is doesn't interfere with the law of the land. I just want what is right. NO American should be discriminated against, no matter their beliefs. That is what our founding fathers believed, and that is what I believe.