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    FoxNews punishes Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney for daring to tell the truth

    I know this is a sensitive issue but truth must be told!

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    See Fox News bans retired general after McCain torture comments

    May 11, 2018


    ”A spokesperson told the Washington Examiner that retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney is no longer welcome on Fox News and Fox Business Network after he said torture worked on McCain, a former prisoner of war in Vietnam.

    McInerney’s comments, made during an appearance on Fox Business Network on Thursday, were in response to McCain encouraging his Senate colleagues to reject Gina Haspel’s nomination for CIA director over her past association with the agency’s enhanced interrogation practices.”


    In 1969, due to torture, Senator McCain, who was then a Vietnamese POW, made a false confession recording which was used for propaganda purposes.

    The FoxNew decision to ban retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney for telling the truth in support of the contention that torture works, is not only unacceptable, it is a stain on the credibility of FoxNews. When the ugly truth becomes a cause for being banned in America, something is very, very wrong. Especially when it occurs on a media outlet which rails against political correctness 24/7.

    In support of McInerney assertion see: John McCain's Purported Vietnam War Propaganda Recording Released by Far-Right Internet Radio Host

    August 8, 2016

    ”McCain's U.S. Senate office could not confirm the authenticity of the recording, but one McCain aide, speaking on condition that his name not be published, told New Times the following:

    "Senator McCain has spoken candidly for years, in media interviews and his own memoir, of making a false confession tape after being tortured as a POW in North Vietnam. Although his 'confession' was coerced by days of extreme physical abuse, he always regretted it."



    And, here is a LINK to the actual recording.


    I am very disappointed that FoxNew has jumped on the political correct bandwagon and punished one of our distinguished military’s best.


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    Vietnam POW Activists Called McCain ‘Songbird’ and ‘Manchurian Candidate

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    Vietnam POW Activists Called McCain ‘Songbird’ and ‘Manchurian Candidate’

    Among groups who oppose John McCain, the most serious charges come from a small but fervent cadre of Vietnam POW/MIA activists who accuse him of being a collaborator during his time in the Vietnamese POW camps.

    They call McCain “Songbird,” and say he received special treatment. Some in the POW community even believe he was brainwashed like Raymond Shaw, the character played by Laurence Harvey in “The Manchurian candidate,” who was used as a tool by the communists to destroy America from within.



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    I listened to the audio, johnwk. I had previously heard some comments like this about Senator McCain. You hear so many praise him about his his time in captivity and then there are those who have a different view, the ones who call him "Songbird."

    I like Air Force Lt. General Thomas McInerney and have watched him often. I was unaware of FOX banning him.
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    John McCain is not who many have thought he was. He didn't help our POW's and MIA's. He refuses to correct a terrible wrong against a 4 Star General to protect the legacy of his father who was involved in that. McCain is all about guess who? Yep, McCain. I'm not accusing him for anything he did in Vietnam. It's what he did and didn't do after he came home. He's not been a good Senator, we just didn't know how bad he was until we started paying attention to his votes on immigration. I have no problem with anything anyone says about McCain, he never holds back on people he wants to attack or take down when he thinks it serves his interest in some way.
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    'Songbird John' McCain? No evidence McCain helped enemy in Vietnam

    By Shawn Zeller on Thursday, January 17th, 2008 at 12:00 a.m.

    In an echo of the attacks from the 2000 South Carolina primary that dealt a critical blow to Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign, a new flyer says the Arizona senator is a traitor.
    It says that when he was a POW, McCain was a "Hanoi Hilton songbird" who collaborated with the enemy.

    But it provides scant evidence to back up this claim and it is strongly contradicted by many other accounts reviewed by PolitiFact: interviews with other POWs, an author who has written a McCain biography and the senator's own accounts.



    Robert Timberg, author of John McCain: An American Odyssey , who has interviewed many POWs who served with McCain, said there's no evidence that he ever collaborated with the North Vietnamese.

    "I've never known of any occasion in which Sen. McCain provided the North Vietnamese with anything of value," Timberg said.


    The flyer was sent to about 80 media organizations in South Carolina and is posted on the group's Web site.The flyer probably would have been ignored, but the McCain campaign issued a statement calling it "a vicious attack."


    The flyer has a caricature of a surly-looking McCain in a prison cell under the words, "Hanoi Hilton Songbird." The second page is headlined "FACT SHEET: Military Record of John Sidney McCain III" and it begins with some accurate biographical information.


    The flyer contains 1 pages of criticisms of McCain, but only a few support the accusation that he was helping the enemy:

    • That he told his captors "Okay, I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital."
    • That the Hanoi news media reported he had given information about his flight, rescue ships and the order of U.S. attacks.
    • That he broke the military code because he answered questions from a Spanish psychiatrist who had apparently been cooperating with the North Vietnamese.

    There is some truth to these claims, but collectively they do not prove McCain was involved in "collaborations with the enemy," as the flyer alleges.


    In his memoir Faith of My Fathers, McCain says that he initially offered the information because he was badly injured and afraid of dying. But, he wrote, "I didn't intend to keep my word."


    When he was later interrogated, McCain gave his ship's name and squadron number and confirmed the target of his failed mission, he wrote. He also gave the names of the Green Bay Packers' offensive line and said they were members of his squadron.


    Asked to identify future targets, he mentioned North Vietnamese cities that U.S. planes had already bombed.


    George "Bud" Day and Orson Swindle, fellow POWs, told PolitiFact that POWs sometimes were forced to talk when they were tortured, but they tried to tell lies to mislead their captors.


    "We were all tortured and we wrote confessions under the pressure of torture," said Swindle, who was a cellmate with McCain and is active in his campaign. "John McCain never collaborated with the enemy. He, like every one of us, submitted to severe torture. John McCain did nothing dishonorable. He was heroic."


    At one point, McCain broke down and signed a confession. But Timberg, the biographer, said McCain deliberately used misspellings, grammatical errors and Communist jargon to show he was writing under duress: "I am a black criminal and I have performed the deeds of an air pirate. I almost died, and the Vietnamese people saved my life . . . "

    Day, a Medal of Honor winner who also is supporting McCain's campaign, said the flyer is "the most outrageous f------ lie I've ever heard."

    The man behind the flyer is Gerard "Jerry" W. Kiley, 61, of Garnerville, N.Y., who says he served in Vietnam for about a year. He describes his group as a one-man operation unaffiliated with any political party or campaign.

    He says he opposes McCain because of the senator's efforts to normalize relations with the Vietnamese communist government and because, in his view, McCain has helped the U.S. government keep information about POWs classified.


    "John McCain has made sure the information concerning the lives of Americans we clearly abandoned after the war remain in government files 40 years later," he says.


    He teamed with political activist Ted Sampley of North Carolina to distribute the fliers to South Carolina media outlets this month. Sampley did not respond to requests for comment.


    Sampley also is a longtime McCain opponent. In 2000, he gained attention when he called McCain a "Manchurian candidate" on his Web site and said that he was an agent of the Vietnamese. In 1993, Sampley was convicted of misdemeanor assault and sentenced to 180 days' probation for attacking a McCain aide, according to a 2004 article in the New York Times.


    McCain is not the first politician to draw the men's ire. In 2004, they formed Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry.


    Kiley has twice interrupted events featuring Vietnamese Prime Minister Phan Van Khai, forcing an American flag in his hand on one occasion and throwing red wine at him on another, according to a Secret Service agent who later arrested Kiley. He admits he threw the wine, but he was later acquitted in federal court of threatening Khai.


    Kiley says he bases his most damning charges against McCain — that McCain gave information about the schedule of U.S. attacks in Vietnam in 1967, the year his plane was shot down and McCain was captured — on the word of Earl Hopper, a retired Army colonel.


    In an interview, Hopper's wife, Patty, said that Hopper wasn't able to address the charges over the phone because of poor hearing. She said that Hopper has long been involved in the POW movement and that Earl Hopper's son, Earl Jr., is missing in action in Vietnam.


    She cited as evidence for Hopper's charges a 1973 article by McCain that ran in U.S. News and World Report and what she said were "declassified U.S. military documents" she claimed to possess describing McCain's collaboration. Patty Hopper said she was away from her Arizona home and could not fax those documents.


    But the 1973 article does not back up the charges made in the flyer. It provides the same basic account as McCain's book, corroborated by Timberg's book, which was based on interviews with many POWs.


    Timberg, Day and Swindle noted that McCain, the son of a Navy admiral, was offered an early release from the prison but refused so that he could adhere to the military's code of conduct.


    Timberg said he was perplexed by the allegations.


    "Why do they hate him? There can be lots of issues you disagree with him about. But why try to destroy him?"


    Because of the seriousness of the charge, the utter absence of evidence and the clear intention to harm McCain just days before a critical Republican primary, we find this claim to be Pants on Fire wrong.

    [COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.86)]Share The Facts

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    Says McCain was a "Hanoi Hilton songbird" who collaborated with the enemy.
    [COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.54)]In a campaign flyer – Tuesday, January 15, 2008[/COLOR]



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    About this statement:

    Published: Thursday, January 17th, 2008 at 12:00 a.m.
    Researched by: Shawn Zeller
    Edited by: Amy Hollyfield
    Subjects: Candidate Biography

    Sources:


    Interviews: George "Bud" Day, former POW; Orson Swindle, former POW; Robert Timberg, author; Gerard Kiley, Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain; Patty Hopper, wife of retired U.S. Army Colonel Earl Hopper
    Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain
    Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain, Flyer "FACT SHEET: Military record of John Sidney McCain III"
    New Times of Phoenix, Is John McCain a war hero?
    Washington Post, "Yanking His McChain; Web Site Posits That Candidate Is a Southeast Asia Pawn," by Michael Powell and Tom Edsall, Feb. 16, 2000
    New York Times, "McCain Fights Old Foe Who Now Fights Kerry," by Michael Janofsky," Feb. 14, 2004
    Adweek.com, "New Anti-Kerry Ads Air in N.C.," by Gregory Solman, Aug. 31, 2004
    United Press International, "Some vets question Kerry's antiwar past," by Richard Tomkins, July 28, 2004
    U.S. Veteran Dispatch, "Vietnam Vet Found Not Guilty of Assault on Vietnam Prime Minister," by Ted Sampley, November 2005.
    2005 U.S. District Court records of case United States of America vs. Gerard W. Kiley
    U.S. News & World Report, "How the POWs fought back," by John McCain, May 14, 1973
    Robert Timberg, The Nightingale's Song, touchstone/Simon & Schuster, 1995
    John McCain with Mark Salter, Faith of My Fathers, Perennial, 1999

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    I disagree with Senator McCain on immigration matters and other issues. Vietnam and what happened is for others to comment.
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    I agree, GP, but on the broader field of the issue at hand is the approval of the nomination of Gina Haspel as Director of the CIA. These rotten Senators and DemoQuacks shouldn't even be bringing up the issue of torture in this nomination process. It's old news, an issue resolved, laws passed to prevent it, and so on and so forth. The CIA Director doesn't change laws, Congress does that. But if they want to bring it up then both sides can attack each other and see how low in the gutter they want to take this fight.

    There's a reason our soldiers from WWII never wanted to talk about that war and didn't want a Memorial. They went over there and won those wars on two fronts in 3 years and 8 months doing what they had to do to win. They were also gentlemen who didn't come home and talk about it to make a name for themselves or sell a book. And in my opinion, that is the way Americans should fight every war we engage in, as Reluctant Warriors, but the Best in the World when you force our hand to battle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeach View Post
    I listened to the audio, johnwk. I had previously heard some comments like this about Senator McCain. You hear so many praise him about his his time in captivity and then there are those who have a different view, the ones who call him "Songbird."

    I like Air Force Lt. General Thomas McInerney and have watched him often. I was unaware of FOX banning him.
    FoxNews banning Lt. General Thomas McInerney, for stating a fact: "It worked on John [McCain]. That's why they call him 'Songbird John'" is very troubling to me as it indicates FoxNews has jumped on the politically correct bandwagon.

    As stated at the top of the thread: ”McCain's U.S. Senate office could not confirm the authenticity of the recording, but one McCain aide, speaking on condition that his name not be published, told New Times the following:

    "Senator McCain has spoken candidly for years, in media interviews and his own memoir, of making a false confession tape after being tortured as a POW in North Vietnam. Although his 'confession' was coerced by days of extreme physical abuse, he always regretted it."



    In my mind, it is not a stain on McCain's record to confirm he was tortured into making a propaganda recording. But it is a stain on the record of FoxNews to ban a guest for stating torture worked in McCain's situation, which turns out to be true.


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