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    How Does America Compare to China, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Other Repressive Regimes?

    How Does America Compare to China, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Other Repressive Regimes?

    EquityJungle – v0.1
    January 17, 2012

    Top constitutional law expert Jon Turley notes in a must-read Washington Post article called “We are no longer the land of the free” (I have edited slightly to remove parentheses in several places):
    Americans often proclaim our nation as a symbol of freedom to the world while dismissing nations such as Cuba and China as categorically unfree.

    Yet, objectively, we may be only half right. Those countries do lack basic individual rights such as due process, placing them outside any reasonable definition of “free,” but the United States now has much more in common with such regimes than anyone may like to admit.These countries also have constitutions that purport to guarantee freedoms and rights. But their governments have broad discretion in denying those rights and few real avenues for challenges by citizens — precisely the problem with the new laws in this country.

    The list of powers acquired by the U.S. government since 9/11 puts us in rather troubling company.

    Assassination of U.S. citizens
    [The U.S. assassinates its own citizens.]
    Nations such as Nigeria, Iran and Syria have been routinely criticized for extrajudicial killings of enemies of the state.

    Indefinite detention
    [The U.S. has passed a law allowing indefinite detention of American citizens.]
    China recently codified a more limited detention law for its citizens, while countries such as Cambodia have been singled out by the United States for “prolonged detention.”

    Arbitrary justice
    The president now decides whether a person will receive a trial in the federal courts or in a military tribunal, a system that has been ridiculed around the world for lacking basic due process protections. Bush claimed this authority in 2001, and Obama has continued the practice. (Egypt and China have been denounced for maintaining separate military justice systems for selected defendants, including civilians.)

    Warrantless searches
    [The U.S. routinely conducts warrantless searches.]
    Saudi Arabia and Pakistan operate under laws that allow the government to engage in widespread discretionary surveillance.

    War crimes
    [The U.S. has committed various war crimes, then refused to hold the actors to account.]
    Various nations have resisted investigations of officials accused of war crimes and torture. Some, such as Serbia and Chile, eventually relented to comply with international law; countries that have denied independent investigations include Iran, Syria and China.

    Secret court
    [The U.S. uses secret courts under the guise of national security.]
    Pakistan places national security surveillance under the unchecked powers of the military or intelligence services.

    Immunity from judicial review
    Like the Bush administration, the Obama administration has successfully pushed for immunity for companies that assist in warrantless surveillance of citizens, blocking the ability of citizens to challenge the violation of privacy. (Similarly, China has maintained sweeping immunity claims both inside and outside the country and routinely blocks lawsuits against private companies.)

    Continual monitoring of citizens
    The Obama administration has successfully defended its claim that it can use GPS devices to monitor every move of targeted citizens without securing any court order or review. It is not defending the power before the Supreme Court — a power described by Justice Anthony Kennedy as “Orwellian.” (Saudi Arabia has installed massive public surveillance systems, while Cuba is notorious for active monitoring of selected citizens.)

    Extraordinary renditions
    The government now has the ability to transfer both citizens and noncitizens to another country under a system known as extraordinary rendition, which has been denounced as using other countries, such as Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Pakistan, to torture suspects. The Obama administration says it is not continuing the abuses of this practice under Bush, but it insists on the unfettered right to order such transfers — including the possible transfer of U.S. citizens.
    Professor Turley stresses the fact that it is the ability of powerful men to make arbitrary decisions which defines an authoritarian country:
    An authoritarian nation is defined not just by the use of authoritarian powers, but by the ability to use them. If a president can take away your freedom or your life on his own authority, all rights become little more than a discretionary grant subject to executive will.

    The framers lived under autocratic rule and understood this danger better than we do. James Madison famously warned that we needed a system that did not depend on the good intentions or motivations of our rulers: “If men were angels, no government would be necessary.”
    In fact, we go from the land of the free to tyranny the moment we go from a nation of laws to a nation of powerful men arbitrarily making laws in secret.
    Indeed, Bush and Obama have claimed some tyrannical powers that even Hitler and Stalin never claimed.

    As I pointed out last month, many American leaders appear to be consciously copying China:
    The American copyright bill is modeled after the Chinese system. As I noted Monday:
    Given that Joe Lieberman said that America needs an internet kill switch like China, that the U.S. economy has turned socialist (at least for friends of those with control of the money spigot), and that the U.S. government used communist Chinese torture techniques specifically designed to produce false confessions in order to sell the Iraq war, I guess that the bill’s Chinese-style censorship is not entirely surprising.

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