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    How tough can it get?

    I have been off a lot since our move out of town (I thank God everyday I walk out and view the full property of 9 acres we reside on now). We have been busy attempting to become somewhat self-sufficient. Over 1300 square feet of garden, chickens for eggs and meat, and rabbits for meat (I know, "aww, how could you?").

    Things have gotten tighter with our move out of town alone, costing us more to get around, and with higher gas prices pressing onto grocery prices, of course this has been a budget strainer as well. Still we're ok, and my husband still has his job, and I am in the works of getting a small cleaning service going for some extra cash.

    However, people I know all around, things are getting worse for them. People doubling up in households, lack of food, some unable to afford to drive to jobs when self-employed, causing missed income, and some losing their electricity for lack of money to pay their bills.

    I am just wondering how things are all around this nation and although I have tried to keep up on the national news, I feel like they do not always report it all anyways. So how bad does it seem it is going to get? Are we going to drop into a full fledged depression?

    I have also joined an online group for "preppers" for such catastrophic events. People who plan for the worst and hope for the best, not survivalists though, just practical people. Some in this group really feel it is going to be worse than it is now.
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    I eat chicken-don't have the heart to kill 'em myself though-bunnies I couldn't do it-it would be like killing a cat or dog-too cute and fuzzy! But I guess if it were down to "starve or eat" and couldn't make do with veggies I guess I'd have to bite the bullet and do it-but I'd be afraid I'd be too attached to them.....

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    There is a lot of talk the bottom will come soon. I think Obama is going to get the boot and when Republicans get elected the stock market gets a surge, which usually helps the rest of the economy. I don't want to see a super probusiness Prez. or Congress---to me Romney, even with his flaws I would prefer, I think. And then maybe Bachmann as VP. Don't want to see a repeat of McCain-Palin, though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captainron
    There is a lot of talk the bottom will come soon. I think Obama is going to get the boot and when Republicans get elected the stock market gets a surge, which usually helps the rest of the economy. I don't want to see a super probusiness Prez. or Congress---to me Romney, even with his flaws I would prefer, I think. And then maybe Bachmann as VP. Don't want to see a repeat of McCain-Palin, though!
    If Nobama gets re-elected, it's going to get a lot worse than it is now.

    I agree, Romney's got flaws, but he's 10,000 times better than Barry.
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    sacredrage, the trick is to raise the rabbits in a "baryard" are and not go out and ooh and ahh at them. Of course they are cute, but they multiply faster than chickens, are more successful at raising large sets of young (versus a hen could lose all chicks if another hen so chooses to kill them all), and they can do it quite fast. We will not butcher them ourselves, there is a "processor" out here who handles all poultry (rabbits are considered a type of poultry in this case).

    We also raise "broilers". This last time it was red broilers, and I think we'll go back to the cornish cross broilers. The difference is both are not as intelligent as laying hens (although that is not saying much), and the cornish cross are even dumber. The cross mainly just sit on their bellies, eat, drink and.....well you-know-what, the reds are active and their meat is more worked. The cornish cross get hugely fat in 8 weeks and then you take them to a local poultry processor for around $3.50 each.

    sacredrage, we found out today it is not fun doing one in, we had a pullet (teenage laying hen) who got her neck twisted and messed up, she was living but her head was always on the ground, no way she could live her life like that. So we had to put her out of her misery ourselves. We felt bad about it, but knew we had to. If the time ever comes and we ever had to butcher ourselves, we have feel we could, but it is sure convenient to have this guy, a professional, to handle it all (he has all the right equipment we lack).

    Anyways, back to the economy....It has just gotten so awful suddenly for everyone I know here, how about you CaptainRon? Also, my nephew spent some time in St. Louis and he said it is just like something out of a sci-fi post apocolyptic war torn area there, people everywhere living on the streets, lots of crime. Police do not stop people for public drinking, they have too many other problems to deal with. Anyone know about this, and was my nephew blowing it out of porportion?
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    Nothing wrong with raising your own food ive done it for years killing own beef hogs chickens plus im a hunter deer turkey fish and waterfowl.I hunt for the sport but i also eat what i kill if killed for the sport and not ate it i wouldnt hunt because that would be wrong.But what ever you raise dont get atached to it then it becomes hard to do.My dad raises a big garden so i always have fresh veggies,so being raised farming no matter how hard it gets im like Hank Williams jr.a country boy can survive i can skin a buck and i can run a trot line

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    duckman, I agree, never kill something just for sport, it is cruel and a waste. Have not gotten to where I have butchered my own livestock, and would have to assume I might have to some day, but so long as my experienced "processor" down the road is doing business and doing it as inexpensively as he offers, we will give him that end of the business, he's a local guy, employing people locally, and I like his work.

    We have a garden this year, in our new place, 1,350 square feet of it. Seemed like a lot when I first calculated it, but then realized that although it was big and we will get a nice harvest on some stuff, it is nothing compared to what we would need if we had to completely depend on it for a year long stock. This made us realize what it really takes to make it if times really dropped to the bottom like some have said it could do (or WILL do).

    We planted 80 seed potatoes, and if they produce the average 5-10 pounds per plant, we could harvest up to 800 pounds of potatoes......! That's a lot of potatoes. Then 80 corn, so up to 240 ears of corn. Though, corn struggles here, we have a shorter growing season, some years more than others. The rest will likely produce, and can have a second planting of (spinach, carrots, etc...). Guess we better get ready to build a potato bin for the brick pumphouse and get some burlap bags ready.

    If it is a sign of our times, down the road from us, there is this old barn that sits along the road (I am sure way back it once was set back quite far from any road), and is owned by a family just across from it. Apparently the elder member, this has been his farm, and he has been out all around it tilling and planting stuff, and his son(?) and grandson have been out there helping. I wondered if they had the same thoughts about things as it seemed it had not been used in a while (the ground around the barn).

    Seeing a lot more people doing it, and local feed stores are actually doing better business for it (both local ones here and my sons employer all say things have stepped up for gardening and chicken raising supplies).
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    AmericanElizabeth, I guess the only way it would work for me is if I NEVER saw the animals at all-like I never see the animals whose meat I buy at the grocery store.

    Just a reminder to all of us, that the latest batch of Republicans presidential hopefuls are still dedicated to the ultra rich business people and refuse to renounce the tax breaks for them and their companies-which will just bite the moderately rich, middle and lower classes in the end to where they pay out taxes out of proportion to what they earn (remember it is the ultra rich business people who have the goal of globalism (all well as the Commies and Socialists): which is not merely doing business worldwide but also the desintegration of all nations and countries-the reason "the establishment" is no longer protecting the integrity of U.S. culture, language and borders-and President George Bush got us to where we were on the brink of the Great Depression II because of the foolish deregulation of banks that was originally put in place to protect the consumer (you and me) from being deceived by immoral business people. I watched the debates in the Republican primaries and turned the TV off in disgust. I really am starting to believe the GOP tells its politicians what to do and how to act-ex FL governor Charlie Crist accepted money from Presidnet Obama for the state of FL and got in trouble with the GOP over it-and he wound up running as an Independent the next time he ran for governor because of it. Funny how the GOP whined about helping the unemployed of FL saying it's adding to the national defict, yet nary a peep about giving the ultra rich business people extra tax breaks for them and their companies, and it is largely their fault we came into this recent financial mess to begin with? And nary a peep about driving down wages, hiring illegal immigrants and giving our jobs away overseas? That if we're all poor and can't afford to take care of ourselves we will not longer be able to "stimulate the economy" and get ourselves out of danger of the Great Depression II? All I'm saying is don't trust the GOP anymore than anyone else, for they too want to rule the world without regard to what We the People think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sacredrage
    AmericanElizabeth, I guess the only way it would work for me is if I NEVER saw the animals at all-like I never see the animals whose meat I buy at the grocery store.

    Just a reminder to all of us, that the latest batch of Republicans presidential hopefuls are still dedicated to the ultra rich business people and refuse to renounce the tax breaks for them and their companies-which will just bite the moderately rich, middle and lower classes in the end to where they pay out taxes out of proportion to what they earn (remember it is the ultra rich business people who have the goal of globalism (all well as the Commies and Socialists): which is not merely doing business worldwide but also the desintegration of all nations and countries-the reason "the establishment" is no longer protecting the integrity of U.S. culture, language and borders-and President George Bush got us to where we were on the brink of the Great Depression II because of the foolish deregulation of banks that was originally put in place to protect the consumer (you and me) from being deceived by immoral business people. All I'm saying is don't trust the GOP anymore than anyone else, for they too want to rule the world without regard to what We the People think.
    Very well said dont trust them.

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