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    Yes, vitamins are very helpful. I take a multi-vitamin daily and double up on vitimin C, when I feel ill. some natural remedies are also very useful. I also take a flu shot every season. I should also take a daily aspirin, but I don't.

    Vitamins and natural remedies will not protect children and adults from polio. Nothing in Eastern medicine and certainly no vitamin will protect us from many of the terrible diseases that vaccines were formulated for.

    All of my daughters have been fully vaccinated. They have even rec'ed a couple beyond the usual recommendation for the USA.

    In the United States, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, which recommends schedule additions for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, recommends routine vaccination of children against:

    hepatitis A, hepatitis B, polio, mumps, measles, rubella, diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, HiB, chickenpox, rotavirus, influenza, meningococcal disease and pneumonia.

    Please try to understand that while some companies are greedy and unconcerned about your welfare, many people in the healthcare industry are not only highly educated and trained in their field, but PARENTS. They have children of their own. Many of them work their entire lives taking care of children and developing better medicines, vaccines and healthcare practices that improve the lives of millions of children.

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    Do you not understand Dr Andrew Wakefield was stripped of his medical license, by his peers, for fraud ? His research has been discredited because it was fraudulent. It was unscientific. No licensed doctor or medical research team agrees with anything Dr. Wakefield promotes.

    There is no link between any vaccines and autism !

    It's all a big lie !

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    I looked around the NaturalNews website trying to find out the type of medical expert of medical jounalist writes for this site. I found the following:

    LINK: http://www.naturalnews.com/021982.html

    Today NaturalNews is announcing the beta launch of its WebSeed Citizen Journalism project that allows individuals to earn an ongoing revenue stream by writing news articles that will be published on the NaturalNews Network. (A "Citizen Journalist" is a news writer or reporter who is not necessarily credentialed through a journalism school, but is nevertheless a well-informed reporter on their chosen topics. Most tend to cover news from an independent, grassroots point of view.)

    In this new WebSeed Citizen Journalism program, participants ("reporters", who may be located anywhere in the world) are given a topic ("beat") to cover, such as food safety, the FDA, prenatal nutrition, or other topics. Using a web interface, they submit stories to NaturalNews editors who review the stories for publication on NaturalNews.com and other sites.

    These stories are published underneath a Google Adsense banner belonging to the reporter. (Each reporter must have a Google Adsense account to participate and earn revenue.) All clicks and earnings from those Adsense ads are paid directly to the reporter by Google (according to Google's terms and conditions, to which authors must agree to separately). This generates an ongoing revenue stream for the citizen journalists.

    Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/021982.html#ixzz1Cm7h1YRLked around the NaturalNews website,
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    NaturalNews articles are written by anyone with a Google Adsense account. They are not medical experts or even jounalists. They may be anyone in the world, as long as they can write a good story. This story need not be based on sound medical evidence or even facts, but the story must be convincing and connected to a Google Adsense account.

    These so called "independent writers" are stringing you along with any story or hype, so they can maximize their earnings thru Google Adsense. It's all a fraud. It's a website devoted to the search of "suckers"

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    Quote Originally Posted by forest
    Quote Originally Posted by kathyet
    Well okay I guess that settles it....but one thing to remember is this:

    • The mainstream media has huge conflicts of interest in reporting on vaccines because virtually all media outlets depend on pharmaceutical advertising money to stay financially afloat. This is why popular news personalities like Anderson Cooper and George Stephanopoulos wildly discredit themselves when they play the roles of on-air attack dogs targeting people like Dr Andrew Wakefield. Notice how they never disclose their own networks' financial ties to Big Pharma?

    Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/031173_vacci ... z1CisdJVno


    As I said to each their own...

    Kathyet
    At least this Sircus, OMD guy seems to be trying to find viable alternatives to standard vaccines, whereas big pharmaceuticals are more interested in $$. It is a dilemna.

    My hope...


    Mark Sircus, - is not a doctor or medical expert. He is simply a writer. All of his articles are written to make him $$$, this is also a dilemia. He may not necessarily improve your health. Many, if not all of his writings are linked to some type of Google Adsense account, or you might even buy one of his books.

    From his website:
    Mark Sircus, Ac., OMD is author of some astounding new medical and health related books. He has created a universal protocol that combines a trinity of emergency room medicines with a prioritized list or naturopathic substances that fundamentally address the true needs of our bodies. His work is especially interesting for Hospice and Palliative care making patients much more comfortable and even bringing people back from the brink offering hope when there is none.

    This is a nice way of saying that he brings comfort to those that are dying. He doesn't heal them or cure them. He may ease their sufferring or comfort them at the time of death, but he's not a healer.

    He is a journalist. The more he writes, the more ($$$) revenue he earns from Google Adsense.

    This is the disclaimer, on his International Medical Veritas Association wedbsite:

    The Author (Sircus) specifically invokes the First Amendment rights of freedom of speech and of the press without prejudice. The information you will receive with our consultations is for informational purposes only under the rights guaranteed by the First Amendment of the Constitution for the United States of America, and should not in any way be used as a substitute for the advice of a physician or other licensed health care practitioner. The statements contained on my sites and in my books have not been evaluated by the FDA. The products discussed are not intended to diagnose, cure, prevent or treat any disease but are proven useful for health and life extension. We always recommend when and wherever possible that licensed local healthcare professionals be consulted.

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    Natural News is having a radio show it started today ....it is the Robert Scott Bell show...they are taking about vaccines...here is the link

    http://www.naturalnews.com/LiveStreams/RSB-Live.asp




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    Hold Big Pharma and FDA Responsible

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    Natural Solutions Foundation
    Your Voice of Global Health & Food Freedomâ„¢
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    The Foundation has sponsored a formal Citizens' Petition demanding that FDA enforce the law against false vaccine labeling. The Petition makes reference to a 1975 United States Supreme Court doctrine, the Park Doctrine (which arises from a case in which the president of a major corporation, Park, was held responsible for the safety failings of the people he supervised). This important doctrine would have been effectively repealed in 2010 by the “criminalization of speech about foodâ€

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    This is an interview with Dr Andrew Wakefied there are also other videos with him on the side bar..this is brought to us by Mike Adams of the natural news group I bring newsletters and information here occasionally.



    Interview with Dr Andrew Wakefield about the British Medical Journal, science and vaccines (868 views)

    Uploaded 2/4/2011 12:02:32 AM by HealthRanger (108 videos)

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    Interview with Dr Andrew Wakefield about the British Medical Journal, science and vaccines. In this video interview, Dr Wakefield says that BMJ is factually incorrect in accusing Wakefield of falsifying the study data in his 1998 paper published in The Lancet.

    "[The data] were faithfully reproduced in the Lancet paper, and they were made in the most scrupulous, meticulous way. Those are the facts. Brian Deer knew those facts. When he made his allegations to the BMJ, he knew those facts. Did he disclose them to the BMJ? More importantly, did the BMJ, as a peer reviewed scientific journal, did they check the facts? Because the facts were fully available to them in the book Callous Disregard."

    Dr Wakefield also explains how this desperate move by the BMJ to attack Dr Wakefield has eroded the credibility of the publication:

    "They have been hijacked by a freelance journalist who is not expert in any of these fields. They have handed over their journal to this man and allowed him to publish knowingly false allegations, and they have gone along with it. In my opinion, they [the BMJ] have blown their scientific credibility. In their desperation... their fundamental belief that vaccines must be safe, [they say] please don't tell me this terrible disease has been caused by the physician, don't tell me that. Tell me anything but that, and we will take any information, even information from Brian Deer, that will convince us it's safe, and we will publish that, because that conforms with our belief system. That makes us feel more comfortable. That makes us feel that we, as a profession, are not culpable in this extraordinary disorder."

    In this interview, Dr Wakefield also discusses the motivation for the BMJ to grasp at any effort to discredit those who question the safety of vaccines:

    "They are so keen to prove me wrong, to prove the parents wrong, and to exonerate the medical profession, their political friends, their pharmaceutical friends, whoever it is, that

    Video Keywords: vaccines vaccinations children science autism mmr andrew wakefield medical journals british medical journal bmj investigative journalism

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    This is from the article below...


    By the time a child is five years old, a little 40 pound human will receive up to 35 injections, containing at least 110 different weakened pathogens (or pathogen particles), and an assortment of 59 different chemicals. If all approved shots are administered, the little tot will also be injected with stray viral DNA, four types of animal cells, cells from aborted fetal tissue and a bit of human albumin (a foreign protein.) By the way, all of these substances are listed on package inserts for each vaccine.
    According to many this is perfectly okay...between food additives, chemicals in water and air, GMO'S, Floride, Pesticides, and that is just mentioning a few things. I fear our children don't have a chance..or maybe it is a chance, a very slight chance of being normal...Is there any wonder our Country is so screwed up or could it be a form of genocide in the well intentioned???? testing of us all , well what ever you get the idea.

    Here is the story from the Health News Ranger link is below:


    Sick Brains in Teens - Is There A Root Cause?

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    (NaturalNews) It's been nearly a month since the nation's attention was focused on Tucson, where five were killed and 13 injured , including Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, several other shootings missed the mainstream news. Violence seems to be erupting among youths everywhere, from Los Angeles(1) to Omaha(2) to Brooklyn(3) - indicating something is seriously going wrong in the minds of young persons in this country.

    Why Young Brains Are Sick

    The list of assailing particles on children is long, and starts with chemical exposure in the womb. In July, 2005, the Environmental Working Group released a hallmark study using cord blood to assess the chemical exposure of neonates in-utero. The placenta has long been thought to shield the developing baby from pollutants in the environment. The study's alarming results dispelled this as a wishful myth. Of the 287 chemicals identified in the umbilical cord blood of 10 infants, 180 were known carcinogens, 217 were toxic to the brain and nervous system, and 208 have been associated with birth defects or abnormal development in animal tests. The study concluded that, "the dangers of pre- or post-natal exposure to this complex mixture of carcinogens, developmental toxins and neurotoxins have never been studied."(4)

    Within hours of emerging from the womb, a newborn is given a dollop of antibiotics in the eyes, injected with the hepatitis b vaccine, with known neurotoxic properties,(5)and jabbed with a vitamin K shot, which contains 9 mg of benzyl alcohol. In 1992, Golding published concerns that vitamin K injections could be associated with a doubled risk of malignant disease in children, particularly leukemia. While there have been considerable doubts about whether the association is coincidental or causal, the controversy has never been completely resolved.(6)

    Starting around the 60th day of life, infants with still immature immune systems are subjected to a battery of vaccines: DTaP, HiB, polio, Prevnar, and a squirt of oral rotavirus vaccine, all generally given at the same time. The onslaught of these shots, including two additional injections of hepatitis b vaccine, repeats twice, every 60 days. This deposits approximately 66 different viral or bacterial antigens and measurable amounts of a dozen different chemicals into a six month old infant.

    By the time a child is five years old, a little 40 pound human will receive up to 35 injections, containing at least 110 different weakened pathogens (or pathogen particles), and an assortment of 59 different chemicals. If all approved shots are administered, the little tot will also be injected with stray viral DNA, four types of animal cells, cells from aborted fetal tissue and a bit of human albumin (a foreign protein.) By the way, all of these substances are listed on package inserts for each vaccine.

    Subjective Labels for Brain Pathology
    According to the U.S. Surgeon General, nearly 20 percent of American children and adolescents suffer from a mental disorder so significant, it interferes with their day-to-day life.(7) The plethora of diagnoses fall into a few fairly well defined categories: Conduct disorders, such as attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD); learning disabilities, a spectrum of speech delay and comprehension issues; and mood disorders, which include depression, bipolar disorder and chronic anxiety.

    The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) approximates that nearly 5.4 million children 4 to 17 years of age have been diagnosed with ADHD alone (2007 data). This represents nearly 1 in 10 of all children - and the number has been escalating. Between 2003 and 2007,( the number of parent-reported children diagnosed with ADHD increased by 22 percent. Disturbingly, in an attempt to quell their out-of-control behavior, more than two thirds of these children have been placed on at least one prescription medication. Since the underlying cause for the sick brain and hyperkinetic behavior has not been identified and addressed, the drugging is akin to tightening down the lid on a boiling pot of water.

    One of these behavioral disorders, called Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD),(9)is said to manifest around 8 years of age. Mannerisms include: easily losing one's temper; aggressively arguing with adults and defying requests; refusing to follow rules; deliberately annoying other people; blaming others for one's own mistakes or misbehavior; and being touchy, easily annoyed or angered, resentful, spiteful, or vindictive. In 2008, ODD was the most common reason children were referred to mental health professionals for an assessment, accounting for at least half of all out patient visits to psychiatrists and psychiatric practitioners. These children, mostly boys, are commonly diagnosed and treated for several coexisting mental disorders.(10)

    The fifth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-V) is about to be released, replacing the older DSM-IV. The DSM (11) is a catalog of hundreds of psychiatric conditions, including a long list of anxiety, personality and adjustment disorders. Diagnoses are available to give children who struggle with math and writing skills a diagnosis (Mathematics Disorder 315.1 and Disorder of Written Expression 315.2, respectively), labeling a child who has a missing skill with a mental deficiency. New disorders are on the horizon too, such as Temper Dysregulation Disorder with Dysphoria (TDD),(12)a tweak to the current diagnosis of bipolar disorders for children under the age of ten.

    Treatments offered for malfunctioning, unhealthy brains include an extensive list of prescription medications, divided by class, based on the effect they are thought to have on brain chemistry. Antidepressants, mood stabilizers, anti-psychotics and sedatives are prescribed to ostensibly correct imbalances in brain chemicals. If one drug doesn't work, more are added, perhaps with unintended consequences on behavior.

    A recent 69-month study identified 484 drugs that accounted for 780,169 serious adverse events, including violence and aggressive behavior. The drugs were associated with 387 reports of homicide, 404 physical assaults, 27 cases indicating physical abuse, 896 homicidal ideation reports, and 223 cases described as violence-related symptoms. Medications most strongly associated with violence(13) were 11 different antidepressants, particularly the serotonin reuptake inhibitors (ex: Lexapro, Paxil, and Zoloft); 6 different sedative/ hypnotics (ex: Xanax and Clonipin) and 3 drugs given for ADHD, including Ritalin and Concerta. Additionally, the anti-psychotics drugs, Seroquel, Zyprexa and Respirdol, commonly used to treat ODD,(14)are among drugs that can lead to violence.

    Combined Effects
    Significant populations of children in the U.S. have been exposed to a combination of chemicals, vaccines and multiple prescription medications - from infancy through early adulthood. No studies have examined the effect these components have individually on brain function, let alone in combination. Mental health experts try to convince us that the chemical exposures are so small they cannot have negative effects. Same with vaccines. "Experts" espouse that vaccinations are safe, effective, protective and harmless. No thought -- or research -- has been done to examine the potential problems that can arise from the combined effect of four or more simultaneous medications, vaccines and chemicals. There has been little effort by the government (FDA/CDC), the pharmaceutical industry or doctors -- all of whom profit handsomely from massive drug and vaccine use --- to evaluate the combined negative effects of these exposures.

    Brain inflammation has been the hallmark of severe reactions since the first vaccine -- smallpox. The pertussis vaccination can have profound effects on the developing brain of a child, leading to permanent changes in behavior, personality, intelligence, emotional stability, and physical ability. Virtually every year--from 1933 to the mid-1980s-- a paper was published discussing the adverse effects of the whole cell pertussis vaccine.(15) Instead of spending more money to create new drugs and vaccines, we should demand that industry and governments study the complications and injuries caused by the combined use of the products we already have.

    Violence In America
    I have received many emails and messages over the years from persons or parents who are planning to go to other countries for a vacation, on a mission trip or to participate in a lifestyle immersion event. While many of the questions are about travel vaccines (few of which are required anywhere in the world; they are only recommended), I also get asked, "Do you think it is safe to go there?"

    That question always makes me pause. I've had the good fortune to have traveled throughout 57 countries over my life. Only on rare occasions- and mostly when I was in an ill-advised part of town or was unaccompanied in a rural area with wild animals I was unfamiliar with - did I ever feel unsafe. In fact, as a general rule, I have felt safer off the beaten path in a foreign country than in the downtown of an unknown, mid-sized city after dark anywhere in the U.S.

    An epidemic of chronic physical illness, mental disability, depression and violent behavior have escalated over the last 20 years and in one way or another, is touching us all. Although economic and social factors, biological variables and individual dietary practices certainly play a role in overall health and behavior, the detrimental, combined effect of chemicals, drugs and vaccines heaped into the brain from birth is a real concern and is undoubtedly a huge contributor to the violence rising among America's youths.

    Based on survey data(16) from the U.S. Department of Justice, roughly 5,340,000 violent crimes were committed in the United States during 2008. This includes almost 16,300 murders of which, 76 percent, or nearly 11,000 incidents, were committed with firearms. Since the Tucson shootings, calls for stricter licensing and gun registration, more vigorous background checks prior to purchasing a gun, and a ban on assault weapons are again on the table. The pros and cons of this debate reach far beyond the scope of this discussion.

    But truly, guns don't shoot people. And something obviously makes people shoot people. Perhaps stopping the chain of events that result in medically unhealthy and physically sick young brains is the place to start. We owe it to future generations to clearly identify the effect these combined toxic compounds are having on brains of all ages. Even more importantly, we need to heal these damaged brains and restore them back to health before the epidemic of violence gets any worse.

    REFERENCES
    (1) Los Angeles shooting: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...

    (2) Omaha shooting: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/06/u...

    (3) Brooklyn shooting: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/n...

    (4) EWG study on chemicals: http://www.ewg.org/reports/bodyburd...

    (5) Hepatitis B hazards: http://legaljustice4john.com/hepBha...

    (6) Vitamin K controversy: http://www.bmj.com/content/308/6933...

    (7) Mental illness in children: http://www.webmd.com/anxiety-panic/...

    ( CDC, Parent-reported ADHD: http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/adhd/data...

    (9) eMedicine, Oppositional Defiant Disorder: http://emedicine.medscape.com/artic...

    (10) Facts for Families, ODD: http://aacap.org/page.ww?name=Child...

    (11) Complete list of Mental Disorders: http://counsellingresource.com/dist...

    (12) The new Temper Disorder: http://www.wellsphere.com/autism-au...

    (13) Medications associated with violence: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...

    (14) Medications to treat ODD, ADHD, etc: http://www.myoutofcontrolteen.com/m...

    (15) The true story of pertussis: http://jhmas.oxfordjournals.org/con...

    (16) JustFacts.com re: crime and self defense: http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol...

    Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/031198_psych ... z1CzY1FhQ3



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    Kathyet

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