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    Natural immunity AND the Covid vaccine may be the best course of action

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    A CDC study shows 74% of people infected in Massachusetts Covid outbreak were fully vaccinated


    JUL 30 2021



    • About three-fourths of people infected in a Massachusetts Covid-19 outbreak were fully vaccinated, according to new data published Friday by the CDC.
    • The new data, published in the U.S. agency’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, also found that fully vaccinated people who get infected carry as much of the virus in their nose as unvaccinated people.



    So, 74% of the fully vaccinated getting covid seems to indicate the “vaccine” is not very effective. Not only that, but it seems that mother nature has a way of providing better protection to those who do get infected!


    See Previous COVID-19 may cut risk of reinfection 84%


    Apr 12, 2021


    ”People who had COVID-19 had an 84% lower risk of becoming reinfected and a 93% lower risk of symptomatic infection during 7 months of follow-up, according to findings from a large, multicenter study published late last week in The Lancet.”


    The article goes on to point out "the findings of the authors suggest that infection and the development of an antibody response provides protection similar to or even better than currently used SARS-CoV-2 vaccines.”


    From the mountain of material I have read over the past two years, I am beginning to think the vaccine is probably a useful tool for those at high risk of seriously complications should they get covid, and that allowing nature to take its course with those at low risk of serious complications from covid, i.e., letting their body create a natural immunity to covid, may very well be the proper course of action, at least, the evidence seems to suggest this.



    One thing for certain, NYC's one size fits all __ No Vax, No Service __ is not only absurd, but destructive to the general welfare of the community.


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    More news about natural immunity from covid

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    Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection?

    July 13, 2021

    Nearly 40% of new COVID patients were vaccinated - compared to just 1% who had been infected previously.


    "Health Ministry data on the wave of COVID outbreaks which began this May show that Israelis with immunity from natural infection were far less likely to become infected again in comparison to Israelis who only had immunity via vaccination."

    Also see: Dr. Makary Says Natural Immunity Is More Effective Then Vaccine Immunity

    8/5/2021

    “Dr. Marty Makary, a professor at John Hopkins School of Medicine, during an appearance on The Vince Coglianese Show, said individuals formerly infected with COVID-19 are seven times more likely then vaccinated people to fight off the virus.”

    “It appears that natural immunity is better against the Delta variant. When you get infected with COVID, your body’s immune system develops antibodies to the entire surface of the virus,” Makary said. “Not just the slight protein that the vaccines gives you, but the entire surface. And so you get a more diverse antibody portfolio in your system.”


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    covid vaccine may risk one's natural immunity to covid

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    As it turns out, the vaccine may actually interfere with one's natural immunity!

    See: Vaccination could jeopardize our natural immunity to COVID-19, virologist cautions

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    There is something very suspicious taking place in the United States regarding covid

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    What is very, very suspicious, at least to me is, while the overall survival rate to covid is about 98%, and we know who the most vulnerable to the virus are and we can treat and protect them, why has our mainstream media been so intent on ignoring these factors and instead, generating mass hysteria and suggesting 24/7, “get the vaccine or die”?


    It seems to me from the very beginning of the covid outbreak there has been a concerted effort by our mainstream media to encourage a course of action destructive, in many ways, to the general welfare of the United States rather than advocating a common sense approach avoiding a total undermining of America’s way of life.


    What I’m seeing, in the big picture is, our mainstream media is constantly promoting actions destructive to the general welfare of the United States and her citizens [i.e., immigration policy; monetary policy; foreign policy; etc.] and its current handling of the Covid outbreak is just one more opportunity to help weaken and destroy America and subjugate the American people.


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    Covid cases on the rise in Florida

    See: COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations on the rise in Florida …

    "MIAMI (AP) – Hospital admissions for coronavirus patients continue to rise in Florida, with at least two areas of the state surpassing previous peaks in the summer 2020 rebound, prompting local authorities to urge the governor to declare an emergency."


    Of course cases are on the rise . . . the vaccine is not preventing the fully vaccinated from still getting covid, and in large numbers.

    Breakthrough cases count for a large number of the rise in cases, e.g., in Massachusetts we find “More than 3,000 fully vaccinated people in Massachusetts tested positive for the coronavirus last week, a daily average of nearly 450 people in the Bay State as breakthrough infections keep rising amid the delta variant.” LINK



    Now, let us talk about the benefits of “natural immunity”, one benefit is ”People who had COVID-19 had an 84% lower risk of becoming reinfected and a 93% lower risk of symptomatic infection during 7 months of follow-up, according to findings from a large, multicenter study published late last week in The Lancet.”


    The article goes on to point out "the findings of the authors suggest that infection and the development of an antibody response provides protection similar to or even better than currently used SARS-CoV-2 vaccines.” See Previous COVID-19 may cut risk of reinfection 84%



    Is it not common sense that those least likely to have complications from covid, if allowed to beat the virus on their own, would be a giant step forward in creating “herd immunity”?



    Unfortunately, we are now finding that the covid vaccine may risk one’s natural immunity to covid. See: Vaccination could jeopardize our natural immunity to COVID-19, virologist cautions

    Those shouting "get the vaccine or die" need to be confronted and made to support their outlandish claim.



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    Fauci now agrees with DeSantis on antibody treatment

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    See Dr. Fauci agrees with DeSantis on COVID antibody treatments; will the AP smear him too?


    August 25th, 2021


    ”Dr. Anthony Fauci touted a lab-made antibody treatment this week as an effective therapy for the coronavirus, saying it could reduce the risk of hospitalization and death by up to 85% if used right away.”


    The article goes on to point out “But the AP, which like most mainstream media outlets is determined to discredit DeSantis no matter what he says, cannot be counted on to cover the issue fairly. That might involve admitting that DeSantis is or has been right — right about Regeneron, about lockdowns, about mask mandates, about in-person schooling, all of it. That’s something our panic-addicted and Democrat-biased cannot afford to do.”


    Thank you Gov. DeSantis for being a leader and using common sense, and not being afraid to utilize the Covid antibody treatment in Florida.


    JWK

    Make no mistake. There is now both domestic and foreign blood on the hands of all those who voted for the Biden/Harris ticket.

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    The debate is over: natural immunity 13X better than the Covid jab

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    See ‘This Ends The Debate’ – Israeli Study Shows Natural Immunity 13x More Effective Than Vaccines At Stopping Delta


    The new analysis relies on the database of Maccabi Healthcare Services, which enrols about 2.5 million Israelis. The study, led by Tal Patalon and Sivan Gazit at KSM, the system’s research and innovation arm, found in two analyses that people who were vaccinated in January and February were, in June, July, and the first half of August, six to 13 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people who were previously infected with the coronavirus.


    The information at the link goes on point out that in one analysis, comparing more than 32,000 people in the health system, "the risk of developing symptomatic COVID-19 was 27 times higher among the vaccinated, and the risk of hospitalization was eight times higher."


    This, of course, confirms that NYC's one size fits all __ No Vax, No Service __ is not only absurd, but ignores the science, and actually encourages the fully vaccinated, who are symptom free but can transmit the virus, to enjoy public accommodations and freely spread the virus.


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    Covid vaccine jabbers hinder herd immunity

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    More evidence that the fanatical and hysterical one size fits all _ get the covid vaccine jab _ are a hindrance to achieving herd immunity!


    Data recently released from Israel’s Health Ministry regarding the country’s latest wave of covid infections starting this past May:

    See (Report) Israel: Vaccination provides ‘far less’ protection than previous Covid infection

    DATED: AUGUST 8, 2021



    • Israelis who were vaccinated were reportedly 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection

    The article goes on to report:

    7,700 new cases of Covid during wave starting in May

    3,000+ (40%) were reported in people who had been vaccinated

    72 (<1%) were reported in people previously infected

    According to reports, 835,792 Israelis are known to have recovered from Covid. So 72 reinfections amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

    By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave.



    Keep in mind, natural immunity is an essential part in achieving herd immunity, but the covid vaccine jabbers, e.g., NYC's Democrat Leadership, ignore truth and facts.


    As I have correctly pointed out, NYC's one size fits all __ No Vax, No Service __ is not only absurd, but ignores the science, and actually encourages the fully vaccinated, who are symptom free, but infected with the virus, to go out and enjoy public accommodations and freely spread the virus while those who are virus free are discriminated against by government and prohibited from going about their daily activities.

    I never thought I would live to see the day when NYC's residents would turn into sheeple and allow a certified lunatic destroy their city and treat them like school aged children.

    JWK

    None dare call the Democrat Party Leadership’s arming of the Taliban, (our enemy), with United States’ military equipment, as TREASON. Why?

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    antibody treatment saving lives in Florida

    30,000 successful antibody treatments delivered in Florida's fight against Covid
    August 31, 2021


    The treatment is having great success especially in Florida! See Florida Gov. DeSantis Announces Nearly 30,000 Monoclonal Antibody Treatments, Success In Jacksonville, Tampa, and Panama City


    “As of this morning, the state of Florida through our 21 different sites has been able to provide nearly 30,000 treatments of monoclonal antibodies all throughout our state,” said Governor Ron DeSantis. “If you look at the numbers, admissions for COVID to hospitals are down, visits to the emergency department for COVID-like illness are down, and the COVID-positive hospital census is also down.”


    Thank you Gov. DeSantis for taking the lead in providing the game changer antibody treatment in Florida.

    JWK

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