Thread: NC:Judge orders homeschoolers into public district classroom

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Judge orders homeschoolers into public district classrooms
Decides children need more 'focus' despite testing above grade levels
Posted: March 11, 2009
11:25 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

A North Carolina judge has ordered three children to attend public schools this fall because the homeschooling their mother has provided over the last four years needs to be "challenged."

The children, however, have tested above their grade levels – by as much as two years.

The decision is raising eyebrows among homeschooling families, and one friend of the mother has launched a website to publicize the issue.

The ruling was made by Judge Ned Mangum of Wake County, who was handling a divorce proceeding for Thomas and Venessa Mills.

A statement released by a publicist working for the mother, whose children now are 10, 11 and 12, said Mangum stripped her of her right to decide what is best for her children's education.

The judge, when contacted by WND, explained his goal in ordering the children to register and attend a public school was to make sure they have a "more well-rounded education."

"I thought Ms. Mills had done a good job [in homeschooling]," he said. "It was great for them to have that access, and [I had] no problems with homeschooling. I said public schooling would be a good complement."

The judge said the husband has not been supportive of his wife's homeschooling, and "it accomplished its purposes. It now was appropriate to have them back in public school."

Mangum said he made the determination on his guiding principle, "What's in the best interest of the minor children," and conceded it was putting his judgment in place of the mother's.

And he said that while he expressed his opinion from the bench in the court hearing, the final written order had not yet been signed.

However, the practice of a judge replacing a parent's judgment with his own regarding homeschooling was argued recently when a court panel in California ruled that a family would no longer be allowed to homeschool their own children.

WND reported extensively when the ruling was released in February 2008, alarming homeschool advocates nationwide because of its potential ramifications.

Ultimately, the 2nd Appellate District Court in Los Angeles reversed its own order, affirming the rights of California parents to homeschool their children if they choose.

The court, which earlier had opined that only credentialed teachers could properly educate children, was faced with a flood of friend-of-the-court briefs representing individuals and groups, including Congress members.

The conclusion ultimately was that parents, not the state, would decide where children are educated.

The California opinion said state law permits homeschooling "as a species of private school education" but that statutory permission for parents to teach their own children could be "overridden in order to protect the safety of a child who has been declared dependent."

In the North Carolina case, Adam Cothes, a spokesman for the mother, said the children routinely had been testing at up to two years above their grade level, were involved in swim team and other activities and events outside their home and had taken leadership roles in history club events.

On her website, family friend Robyn Williams said Mangum stated his decision was not ideologically or religiously motivated but that ordering the children into public schools would "challenge the ideas you've taught them."

Williams, a homeschool mother of four herself, said, "I have never seen such injustice and such a direct attack against homeschool."

"This judge clearly took personal issue with Venessa's stance on education and faith, even though her children are doing great. If her right to homeschool can be taken away so easily, what will this mean for homeschoolers state wide, or even nationally?" Williams asked.

Williams said she's trying to rally homeschoolers across the nation to defend their rights as Americans and parents to educate their own children.

Williams told WND the public school order was the worst possible outcome for Ms. Mills, who had made it clear she felt it was important to her children that she continue homeschooling.

According to Williams' website, the judge also ordered a mental health evaluation for the mother – but not the father – as part of the divorce proceedings, in what Williams described as an attack on the "mother's conservative Christian beliefs."

According to a proposed but as-yet unsigned order submitted by the father's lawyer to Mangum, "The children have thrived in homeschool for the past four years, but need the broader focus and socialization available to them in public school. The Court finds that it is in the children's best interest to continue their homeschooling through the end of the current school year, but to begin attending public school at the beginning of the 2009-2010 instructional year."

The order proposed by the father's lawyer also conceded the reason for the divorce was the father's "adultery," but it specifically said the father would not pay for homeschooling expenses for his children.

The order also stated, "Defendant believes that plaintiff is a nurturing mother who loves the children. Defendant believes that plaintiff has done a good job with the homeschooling of the children, although he does not believe that continued homeschooling is in the best interest of the children."

The website said the judge also said public school would "prepare these kids for the real world and college" and allow them "socialization."

Williams said the mother originally moved into a homeschool schedule because the children were not doing as well as she hoped at the local public schools.

In last year's dispute in California, the ruling that eventually was released was praised by pro-family organizations.

"We're pleased the appeals court recognized the rights of parents to provide education for their children," said Jay Sekulow, chief counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice. "This decision reaffirms the constitutional right that's afforded to parents in directing the education of their children. It's an important victory for families who cherish the freedom to ensure that their children receive a high quality education that is inherent in homeschooling."

"Parents have a constitutional right to make educational choices for their children," said Alliance Defense Fund Senior Counsel Gary McCaleb. "Thousands of California families have educated their children successfully through homeschooling. We're pleased with the court's decision, which protects the rights of families and protects an avenue of education that has proven to benefit children time and time again.

The North Carolina ruling also resembles a number of rulings handed down against homeschool parents in Germany, where such instruction has been banned since the years of Adolf Hitler's rule.

As WND reported, Wolfgang Drautz, consul general for the Federal Republic of Germany, has commented previously on the issue, contending the government "has a legitimate interest in countering the rise of parallel societies that are based on religion."



"The minister of education does not share your attitudes toward so-called homeschooling," said a government letter in response. "... You complain about the forced school escort of primary school children by the responsible local police officers. ... In order to avoid this in future, the education authority is in conversation with the affected family in order to look for possibilities to bring the religious convictions of the family into line with the unalterable school attendance requirement."

WND also reported recently when a German appeals court tossed out three-month jail terms issued to a mother and father who homeschool their children. But the court also ordered new trials that could leave the parents with similar penalties, according to the Home School Legal Defense Association.

The case involves Juergen and Rosemarie Dudek of Archfeldt, Germany, who last summer received formal notices of their three-month sentences.

The 90-day sentences came about when Hesse State Prosecutor Herwig Muller appealed a lower court's determination of fines for the family. The ruling had imposed fines of about 900 euros, or $1,200, for not sending their children to school

Muller, however, told the parents they shouldn't worry about any fines, since he would "send them to jail," the HSLDA reported.

HSLDA spokesman Michael Donnelly warned the homeschooling battle is far from over in Germany.

"There continue to be signs that the German government is cracking down on homeschooling families," he reported. "A recent letter from one family in southern Germany contained threats from local school authorities that unless the family enrolled their children in school, they would seek fines in excess of 50,000 euros (nearly $70,000), jail time and the removal of custody of the children."

HSLDA officials estimate there are some 400 homeschool families in Germany, virtually all of them either forced into hiding or facing court actions.

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Ebay bans the sale of homeschooling books, why is that? Who is this judge, a Clinton appointee?

I am currently fighting the Uniform Require in our Public NC School authorized by the state and federal government. Socialist Pigs are orking everywhere.

Everyone call GOVERNOR Perdue at 1 800 662 7952.

I shut my e-store down at E-Bay, they kept getting more and more costly.

Originally Posted by Arizonablues

Ebay bans the sale of homeschooling books, why is that? Who is this judge, a Clinton appointee?

Years ago, one could sell and/or purchase homeschool materials, curriculum on ebay. I used to sell my teachers manuals there. I guess the selling of homeschool and/or "Christian" related material is unwelcome on ebay, but one can sell or purchase any variety of secular, adult, and often offensive items without censorship. I haven't had any dealings with ebay in a LONG time.

Wake County district court judge Ned Mangum was appointed by (former) NC Governor Mike Easley in late 2007 or early 2008, I believe. Mangum was a prosecutor before this appointment.

More information about the case is at this link:

http://www.hsinjustice.com/

On her website, family friend Robyn Williams said Mangum stated his decision was not ideologically or religiously motivated but that ordering the children into public schools would "challenge the ideas you've taught them."

No the government wants to make sure they can drone your child with their agenda.....especially when they add the massive pre-school agenda and longer school hours to where you don't have the oppertunity to have any influence or guidence for your children. You breed them and the government owns them.

I had friends who homeschooled and their reasons weren't relegious. I had one friend who worked with her sons so much they were reading and doing math and science experiments and a host of things while the rest were trying to figure out what a circle and square was. They were tested as gifted, but the "gifted" programs didn't start till later on. Years would be wasted while they'd probably be deemed a problem because they'd be bored to death and not a cooperative drone or socialize successfully with kids who were so far behind them. Some decided to homeschool because of the violence in school. Having my one friends daughter come home and saying a girl was raped in the rest room doesn't foster much trust that the school can handle things......but another kid gets in trouble because his plastic fork in his lunch is a weapon.

I don't think there's an argument out there that doesn't prove homeschooled kids are heads above the rest, they aren't socially deprived, they are very well rounded and much more secure in who they are and not so easily swayed by popular thought or peer pressure. They THINK. Others homeschooled because the child was ADD or had other learning disabilities that would have been lost in a mainstream drone factory, never to realize their potential, or at risk of being drugged to manage because they needed a different environment to thrive.

I hate this idea that if you teach your child morals and values it's "sunday school" and you're incapable of teaching various views and allowing them to think for themselves. Any homeschooled kid I've ever met had more on the ball and a wider range of knowledge than a majority of regular students.

But lord knows we can't have that!!!!!!

I am wondering how much of this is also a ticked off ex-husband refusing to support an ex-wife who will not go to work because she has to home school the children. It could be all about a financial question.

These children are entitled to the standards while the marriage was in place. The dad should have to pay for childcare and the dad will straighten up really quick.

Originally Posted by vortex

I am wondering how much of this is also a ticked off ex-husband refusing to support an ex-wife who will not go to work because she has to home school the children. It could be all about a financial question.

Tough. Seems as though the father brought his problems on himself and now, thanks to a 'judge' who obviously believes all children should be liberally indoctrinated by force, these three kids will suffer for HIS stupidity and weakness. Disgusting.