Thread: Neither Musk nor Vivek proposes a remedy to deal with Congress's annual deficits+

The question is, has Elon Musk or Vivek Ramaswamy ___ our DOGE team leadership ___ ever commented on adopting a federal balanced budget amendment? I can't seem to find any such quotes.

I'm really curious if either has made such comments. If not, I wonder why considering the ability of Congress to add, year after year to our national debt without consequences seems to be the root cause of the symptoms these two have been assigned to deal with. Why ignore the root cause and only deal with the symptoms?

What say you?

Originally Posted by johnwk

The question is, has Elon Musk or Vivek Ramaswamy ___ our DOGE team leadership ___ ever commented on adopting a federal balanced budget amendment? I can't seem to find any such quotes.

I'm really curious if either has made such comments. If not, I wonder why considering the ability of Congress to add, year after year to our national debt without consequences seems to be the root cause of the symptoms these two have been assigned to deal with. Why ignore the root cause and only deal with the symptoms?

What say you?

Abolish the Federal Reserve Bank in the US!

Don't pay the illegal interest payments from Day 1 of the Fed issuing our money beginning in 1913, and get back all of our money illegally paid to them or seize their properties! This has been a heist of epic proportions! We don't owe a bunch of Private Bankers this money!

There is a long list, but we need to correct the initial wrongs first.

Originally Posted by GaiaGoddess

Abolish the Federal Reserve Bank in the US!

Don't pay the illegal interest payments from Day 1 of the Fed issuing our money beginning in 1913, and get back all of our money illegally paid to them or seize their properties! This has been a heist of epic proportions! We don't owe a bunch of Private Bankers this money!

There is a long list, but we need to correct the initial wrongs first.

One of the initial wrongs is when Federal Reserve Notes first carried the following "THIS NOTE IS LEGAL TENDER FOR ALL DEBTS, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE" (creating an unconstitutional money monopoly), which is exactly what our founders intended to forbid.

For those who are not familiar with our founder’s specifically stated intentions, here is what transpired during the convention with regard to bank notes being made a legal tender. SEE The Debates in the Federal Convention of 1787, reported by James Madison : August 16


Mr. Govr. MORRIS moved to strike out "and emit bills on the credit of the U. States"-If the United States had credit such bills would be unnecessary: if they had not, unjust & useless.


Mr. BUTLER, 2ds. the motion.

Mr. MADISON, will it not be sufficient to prohibit the making them a tender? This will remove the temptation to emit them with unjust views. And promissory notes in that shape may in some emergencies be best.


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Mr. READ, thought the words, if not struck out, would be as alarming as the mark of the Beast in Revelations.


Mr. LANGDON had rather reject the whole plan than retain the three words "(and emit bills")

On the motion for striking out
N. H. ay. Mas. ay. Ct ay. N. J. no. Pa. ay. Del. ay. Md. no. Va. ay. [FN23] N. C. ay. S. C. ay. Geo. ay.

[FN23] This vote in the affirmative by Virga. was occasioned by the acquiescence of Mr. Madison who became satisfied that striking out the words would not disable the Govt. from the use of public notes as far as they could be safe & proper; & would only cut off the pretext for a paper currency, and particularly for making the bills a tender either for public or private debts.

The irrefutable fact is, our founding fathers intended the market place, and only the market place, to determine what notes, if any, were safe and proper to accept in payment of debt, and they specifically chose to forbid folks in government to make a particular bank note, or any “note”, a legal tender, which if allowed would literally force people and business owners to accept worthless script in payment of debt.

As a matter of fact, one of the delegates to the Convention of 1787 who helped frame our Constitution who lived in Connecticut was defrauded by a legal tender law made in Rhode Island which required him to accept worthless script in payment of debt. As one of the delegates to the Convention Rodger Sherman was quite influential in prohibiting our government to emit bills on the credit of the United States and likewise prohibiting folks in government making notes of any kind a legal tender in payment of debt!

To learn how Roger Sherman was defrauded see his work titled: A Caveat Against Injustice … An inquiry into the evils of a fluctuating medium of exchange.


And, the question is, how is it not a crime for our Treasure of the United States and Secretary of the Treasury to sign Federal Reserve Notes which declare on their face “THIS NOTE IS LEGAL TENDER FOR ALL DEBTS, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE“? Should they not be charged with misfeasance and malfeasance in addition to complicity with a privileged banking institution who defrauds the public with unconstitutional Federal Reserve Notes?


JWK


"Of all the contrivances for cheating the laboring class of mankind, none have been more effectual than that which deludes them with paper money. This is the most effectual of inventions to fertilize the rich man's field by the sweat of the poor man's brow."_____ Daniel Webster.