Thread: Octuplets' Family Filed For Bankruptcy

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Octuplets' Family Filed For Bankruptcy

BELLFLOWER, Calif., Jan. 30, 2009
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(CBS) CBS News has learned that the family of the octuplets born this week outside Los Angeles filed for bankruptcy and abandoned a home a little over a year-and-a-half ago.

Early Show national correspondent Hattie Kauffman says the mother is in her mid-thirties and lives with her parents.

There's been no mention of the octuplets' father, Kauffman observes.

The grandfather, she adds, is apparently going to head back to his native Iraq to earn money for the growing family. He told CBS News he's a former Iraqi military man.
Kauffman reported Thursday, and the octuplets' maternal grandmother now confirms to the Los Angeles Times, that the babies' mother already had six young children.

And a family acquaintance had told Kauffman that two of the six other kids are twins, and the six range in age from about two to about seven.

The mother's name is still being kept under wraps.

But her mother, Angela Suleman, also tells the newspaper her daughter conceived the octuplets through a fertility program.

Suleman told the Times her daughter had embryos implanted and, "They all happened to take."

On The Early Show Friday, the scientific director of an Atlanta-area fertility clinic blasted whichever clinic did the implantations, saying he's "stunned."

Doctors at the hospital where the octuplets were born, Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center in Bellflower, Calif., some 17 miles southeast of L.A., say the patient came to them already three months pregnant.

Asked at a news conference whether fertility assistance should be provided for a mother who already has multiple children, Dr. Harold Henry, part of the team that delivered the octuplets, said, "Kaiser has no policy on that, adding that doctors counseled the woman on her options.

"The options," said Henry, "were to continue the pregnancy or to selectively abort. The patient chose to continue the pregnancy."

Dr. Karen Maples, who also helped deliver the octuplets, read a statement from the mother saying, "My family and I are ecstatic about all of their arrivals."

The woman and her children live in a neighborhood of small, one-story homes, Kauffman reports, all with two-to-three bedrooms at most. Soon, she pointed out, there will be 14 children and at least three adults living in one of the homes -- until the grandfather heads back to his native Iraq,

Kauffman says unanswered questions include where the woman got the fertility treatments and how they were paid for.

On The Early Show Friday, Michael Tucker, scientific director of Georgia Reproductive Specialists, says all these developments leave him "stunned. As the story's unfolded and it's gone from the potential use of just fertility drugs, or misuse thereof, to actual, apparently, IVF (in-vitro fertilization) with transfer of embryos, this is just remarkable to me that any practitioner in our field of reproductive medicine would undertake such a practice."

Tucker, who has a doctorate in reproductive physiology, says it's "absolutely" possible the octuplets' mother got pregnant with them by taking fertility drugs on her own without the help of a clinic, "and that seemed the most plausible scenario, simply because the profession, we're policed by the American Society of Reproductive Medicine, has focused so minutely on the fact that we need to reduce the number of embryos that we transfer. We really are all about seeking the one, the one embryo that's going to make the healthy, single-born baby.

"And this kind of multiple plethora excess of babies is too much of a good thing. And it's rather a slap in the face of the whole profession, simply because it's going in the wrong direction.

"And it's unfortunate, because the media pick up on this and seem to go, I think, Arthur Kaplan from UPenn (University of Pennsylvania) said the media tend to go goo-goo gaga over this and, in fact, it's really a bit of a medical disaster."

"Had she walked into a fertility clinic and said, 'Listen, I've got other children, the oldest seven, the youngest two,' co-anchor Julie Chen asked Tucker, "is there any ethical responsibility on the clinic's part to say, 'I'm not going to treat you,' or, 'You know what? This is not a good idea?" '

"Suffice to say," Tucker responded, "I've been in this business for 25 years now. And it's pretty much standard practice in all clinics to have some form of psychological evaluation of the patient. Also, their sociological circumstances. And I'm stunned, actually, that a clinic would proceed to treat a patient in this circumstance and then even to get to perhaps the transfer of embryos and ponder the transfer in, I believe, the lady's mid-30s, a 35-year-old -- she should be receiving two embryos, maximum, as a transfer into her uterus to have had eight transferred is somewhat -- is extremely irresponsible."


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Grandpa said he had a big house where the media would never find them, hopefully they will all head back to Iraq and no longer be our problem

The grandfather, she adds, is apparently going to head back to his native Iraq to earn money for the growing family

And what? Leave grandma, the mother and 14 kids to live off welfare?

The grandmother's name is Angela Suleman.
She is listed on Peoplefinders.com, along with the name of the mother-of 14.
13. SULEMAN, ANGELA V (Age 70)
Associated names:
DOUD, ANGELA V
SULEMAN, ANGELA V
WHITTIER, CA HACIENDA HEIGHTS, CA LA HABRA HEIGHTS, CA CITY OF INDUSTRY, CA LA PUENTE, CA GUTIERREZ, NADYA S (Age 33) SULEIMAN, ADNAN D SULEMAN, ED D (Age 67) DOUD, NADYA (Age 30)
Source: Peoplefinders.com
I don't know why the press is having such a hard time identifying the new mommy. Nadya (Doud) Gutierrez, age 33.

Originally Posted by crazybird

And what? Leave grandma, the mother and 14 kids to live off welfare?

No Fair...how'd you get their game plan? It was secret!

I saw this comment on the octuplets by a welfare worker on another discussion:

Deborah21

Wait a minute! I work for Welfare and I can definitely tell you this kind of stuff is happening all over. The costs are astronomical to this country. Illegals and non-working citizens are absolutely draining our economy. More than likely she is married or baby's daddy (daddies) is/are in the picture. It's just that "they" say they are separated or daddy is unknown, so the taypayers will shoulder the financial burden. Do the math, each individual gets $176 in food stamps times 15 = $2640 per month. She gets WIC - so free diapers, formula, etc. Someone will "feel sorry" for her and give her a house, furnishings, cars (or in this case a bus), free gas. Publicity! That's when daddy will appear. Whadda ya know? How was she able to afford the fertility drugs? They are not cheap. What irresponsible doctor would give her fertility drugs when she is obviously not infertile. No wonder our economy is in the tank and the states are going broke. What's going to happen when all these Welfare babies start multiplying? Who's going to be working. I know this is a controversial statement, but I see it so much every day and am just being realistic, but we are just beginning to see the affects; but every state should pay for one baby - THAT's IT! If you are stupid enough to keep having babies you can't afford, you are on your own. If you can't afford them, there are couples out there who would love to have a baby and would be willing to adopt them.

Karma-667522

Someone correct if I'm wrong, but didn't Clinton put into law that welfare mom's could only be on the dole for two years during which time she had to find the means to support herself and her children? It was supposed to end the revolving door of generational welfare.

Deborah21

Answer to Karma-667522. Re 2-yr limit. Cash benefits are for 5 years. But indefinite if there is a "hardship". Food stamps no limit. Medical no limit. If mom is a non-citizenship their is no limit on cash for each child (do the math on that one, the state where I work is $389 per child). If mom receives SSI (social security welfare payment currently at $674) no limit on years she can receive cash for each child. Any child declared "disabled" they too will get SSI of $674 for the rest of their lives. Also, the limit of 5 years is determined in each state. Some are 5-year consecutive, my state is 2-years on, 1 year off, 2 years on, 1 year off. California, where she lives, is called a cash-out state, which means not only will she get $176 per person but additional cash for food. I do not know how much they pay, but it is quite a bit more. California's 5-year limit is meaningless, but then they have what they call Cal Works - additional cash. Now you see why California is BROKE!

I feel sorry for all of the kids. They were brought into this life and the most attention and best care they will receive in thier lives is right now and at the hospital. If I had 8 premature babies coming home from the hospital, I would leave for Iraq too.

Dixie

Originally Posted by Dixie

I feel sorry for all of the kids. They were brought into this life and the most attention and best care they will receive in thier lives is right now and at the hospital. If I had 8 premature babies coming home from the hospital, I would leave for Iraq too.

Dixie

I think if I had 8 babies all at once, I would not only leave for Iraq, I would change my name so they could not find me.

More than likely she is married or baby's daddy (daddies) is/are in the picture. It's just that "they" say they are separated or daddy is unknown, so the taypayers will shoulder the financial burden.

There are alot of those. The man who killed his wife and 5 kids got fired from Kaiser for lying on his application for childcare subsidy. HELLO?!?! Illegal aliens lie on them constantly, the welfare workers KNOW they are lying, but that's ok?!?!?!?

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