Thread: NAIS (The USDA animal-chipping program)

A quick perusal of the USDA website has revealed that the most onerous aspects contained in their 2005 Draft Implementation Program have either...

A) been removed

or

B) been hidden much deeper than they were previously.

I will dig deeper into it tomorrow.

Thanks you for an opportunity to debate the USDA NAID System. Something that I stand behind 110%. It seems before we get started I must find a few things out about this debate. My first Question would be. Are you saying the United States Department of Agriculture is hiding information from the general public on the ID system?

I'm not sure Greg, I spent WEEKS digging into this back in early 2006 when all there was to go on was the 2005 Draft Implementation plan. I mailed over 100 pages to Congressman Norwood at that time and had several subsequent conversations with his top staff aide John Stone. Since that time I haven't really kept up with it because I've been focused on other things, so I don't really know if the BS from 2005 is really gone or just buried deeper in the regulations.

Let me ask you a question, there was a section in the Draft Implementation that was forward looking through 2010 that would make enrollment mandatory by 2009 and turn the entire program over to the UN by 2012. Do you know offhand if that is still the intent, or does the enforcement of these rules remain with the USDA?

Church ran over... which is nothing to be sorry about

Originally Posted by PinestrawGuys

I'm not sure Greg

Lets go out on a limb here and with out knowing.... I’m going to say you are probably talking about an American response in 2000 to Europe's BSE… Or you talking about Sen. Leahy's The National Farm Animal Identification and Records act? (FAIR Act) to coincide with other Electronic Identification and Molecular Marking systems for Improving traceability of livestock and meat (EID+DNA ACT) that is an expectance across the world.
There is a current National and World Commission on Industrial Farm Animal Production. (NCIFAP)
There is also a Animal Welfare and the Intensification of Animal Production Act (AWUAP) that the United States and many other nations participate in… But...
Just so we are clear here, what is good enough for Gov. Tommy Thompson Is never good enough for my or most farm Animals.(Kidding) But I still call it to this day, the (CIWF for THIEFS ) but there not the same by any means... Lets no get off topic, which that/I really didn’t go off if you know your Information Farm Identification or (IFI)
Just in case cause you just wanted to stop ticklin turkeys about this before we get too far into it
go here @ http://www.fao.org/
FOOD AND AGRICULTURE ORGANIZATION OF THE UNITED NATIONS

and also Ill do you one beter so you do can help out in the pro and con farmers side of things @ http://www.nationalaglawcenter.org/read ... oodsafety/

backdated info your looking for...




Man I cant believe I looked all this up for you I didn’t think the opponent was supposed to do that in a debate but what the heck its alipac an organization I love being part of and it 2008 people need to be more friendly
Go here @ http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05212.pdf
for a 68 page Break down of the United States and the UN on Farm ANIMAL ID / FOOD SAFETY

Hey Pine, be sure to find the section of NAIS that excludes the corporate ranches from having to tag their animals. NAIS is devised for the small rancher/farmer even if you only have a few animals on your property. The regulations are so bad, that it will increase the number of government employees just to process all the paperwork.

Mr. Straw

Are you just arguing the Untied Nations Enrolment requirement in world markets

Originally Posted by jp_48504

Hey Pine, be sure to find the section of NAIS that excludes the corporate ranches from having to tag their animals. NAIS is devised for the small rancher/farmer even if you only have a few animals on your property. The regulations are so bad, that it will increase the number of government employees just to process all the paperwork.

www.usda.gov/nais

Let's start here since I haven't bothered yet with reading the hundreds of pages it would take to update myself from the 2005 Draft Implementation Plan.

Do the factory farmers (Cargill, Smithfield, etc.) still get to use 1 chip for a whole 10,000 head herd while little Johnny Rancher with 50 head has to chip every animal?

Does the 'home producer' with 20 or 30 chickens in the yard still have to chip EVERY bird? Are they still required to make a written report EVERY time an animal gets off the property and ANOTHER written report EVERY time the animal returns?

Does the family with a pony for little Susie still have to file a WRITTEN report EVERY time little Susie rides her pony off the property or takes it to the local 4-H show?

Are veterinarians still required to make written reports of what they observe every time they go to someone's property?

Is the mandatory nature of this program pushed back a couple of more years to hide it from the public?

If you buy a calf to fatten for the year and butcher for your family is it still required to be RFID tagged and registered?

Are you still required to register your property by long/lat coordinates to facilitate the satellite surveillance of your property?

Are the requirements that you RFID chip pets still in effect? You know, like parakeets and rabbits?

Originally Posted by PinestrawGuys

Let's start here since I haven't bothered yet with reading the hundreds of pages it would take to update myself from the 2005 Draft Implementation Plan.

Do the factory farmers (Cargill, Smithfield, etc.) still get to use 1 chip for a whole 10,000 head herd while little Johnny Rancher with 50 head has to chip every animal?

Does the 'home producer' with 20 or 30 chickens in the yard still have to chip EVERY bird? Are they still required to make a written report EVERY time an animal gets off the property and ANOTHER written report EVERY time the animal returns?

Does the family with a pony for little Susie still have to file a WRITTEN report EVERY time little Susie rides her pony off the property or takes it to the local 4-H show?

Are veterinarians still required to make written reports of what they observe every time they go to someone's property?

Is the mandatory nature of this program pushed back a couple of more years to hide it from the public?

If you buy a calf to fatten for the year and butcher for your family is it still required to be RFID tagged and registered?

Are you still required to register your property by long/lat coordinates to facilitate the satellite surveillance of your property?

Are the requirements that you RFID chip pets still in effect? You know, like parakeets and rabbits?

www.usda.gov/nais





theres more for 2008

http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/nai ... Report.pdf

That chart didn't really answer any of my questions, did it?

Did you catch the small print at the bottom of the chart?

"The National Agriculture Statistics Survey (NASS) estimates 1.4 million livestock farms in the United States (premises more than $1000 in annual income)

In other words, if you produce a gross income of $19.23 a week from rabbits and/or chickens you are considered a 'livestock farm'. I raised rabbits for a while and this would translate into selling about 3 a week to exceed that limit.

Farm-fresh eggs were $1.50 a dozen in my area. Sell a baker's dozen of those each week and you're over the cap. Doesn't take many layers to do that, does it?

A buddy of mine raises goats. At $60 a pop for nannies and $30 for billies you wouldn't have to sell but 1 each once a month.

But that's just a side issue, because you wouldn't have to sell ANYTHING to still be required to chip every animal you got, right?