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    A PATHETIC Attack on Christmas

    HOLIDAY BLUES
    Feds ban grandma's angel ornament on Christmas tree
    HUD orders residents to avoid Jesus in decorations

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    Posted: November 9, 2007
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    Federal Department of Housing and Urban Development officials have announced a ban on any decorations in HUD housing complexes that mention Jesus or represent religion for the Christmas season, and the American Family Association has responded with a petition drive to overturn the decision.

    The AFA has set up a link to allow constituents to send e-mails to the HUD secretary or President Bush expressing their objections to the policy.

    The issue arose at the Plant City Living Center in Plant City, Fla., where 85-year-old Mrs. Arnold was told that federal law now prohibits her from displaying anything that references religion – words, decorations and the like – in the common area of her apartment building, a HUD facility.

    The grandmother told AFA she was instructed that even an angel decoration would be disallowed by the ban, which makes her think of the restrictions in Germany during World War II.

    According to the center, HUD has issued a directive banning "any religious symbols or religious words associated with Christmas," which effectively prevents Mrs. Arnold from placing a small Christmas tree outside her door if it contains any religious symbols or words – "even an angel," AFA said in a special alert asking for e-mails.

    A spokeswoman at the center who preferred not to give her name told WND the rules now prevent displays "like a manger, like a Christ child, any religious symbols."

    "We used to have a sign outside that said, 'Jesus is the reason for the season,' but we can't anymore," she told WND. "We're all very unhappy about that."

    The building has about 40 one-bedroom apartments for seniors who are at least 62 years old.

    The spokeswoman said she didn't know what would be used for decorations now. "I don't know. We can probably decorate the tree, but we can't put anything on it that symbolizes Christ," she said.

    "If the residents want to have a Christmas party in their community room, they cannot call it a Christmas party. The Center says HUD directs residents not to use the word 'Christmas' but to use the word 'holiday,'" the AFA advisory said.

    "A Sunday School class from a church near Mrs. Arnold's apartment comes every year to host a Hanging of the Greens and Christmas Party for all the residents. She said the highlight of their Christmas Party comes at the very end of The Hanging of the Greens when someone places the angel on top of their Christmas tree. Their tradition is now banned by the federal government," the AFA said.

    The family group noted the federal government has become increasingly active in banning Christianity from the public square, citing the National Park Service's efforts to conceal the words "Laus Deo," which is Latin for "Praise Be to God" at the Washington Monument, and the move by a Veterans Administration official to ban the script of a flag-folding ceremony that mentions "Abraham, Isaac and Jacob" and "Father, Son and Holy Ghost" at 100 national cemeteries.

    However, "both of these were rescinded after AFA supporters sent e-mails to proper authorities," the AFA said. In the case of the Washington Monument dispute, Park Service officials told WND they got 26,000 e-mails in a morning.

    WND also reported earlier this week that government officials in Fort Collins, Colo., are considering new regulations for Christmas decorations that appear to ban red and green lights because they are too religious.

    http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.a ... E_ID=58596

    Here is the link to the actual HUD MEMO:
    http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.a ... E_ID=58596

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    By the way........................apparently this only pertains to Christians and Jews, but NOT the wonderful world of islam!!!!

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    This is what's wrong with the idiots in the Government. This Country opens it's arms to all Religion and now it can't even practice it's own tradition... Why then can Muslims pray 5 times a day disrupting their work productivity? Non-CAtholic Crhistians should work on Christmas or any religious holiday then.. why are Muslim women allowed to enter establishments with their face covered?? It's about time we stood up against this garbage. If you can't stand Christmas, leave! In God we trust!!

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    Does everyone realize this could be changed in one season?

    Actually, it could be changed two days after Thanksgiving. If Christians didn't show up to buy on the day after Thanksgiving, I think you would see a quick turnaround.

    If Christians would get together and simply not buy anything in stores, towns, etc., that prohibit Christmas.

    If only 1/2 the people would do this - think about it. Next year, if we still have a country, there would be angels and Nativity scenes all over the country. Any store that wanted the Christian business would be proclaiming 'Merry Christmas' loud and clear.

    How hypocritical is it to say we want you to spend money, make our year by buying things to celebrate your holiday - but just don't mention the holiday????
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    Be loud, be obnoxiously loud about what Christmas is about. Slap people in the face with it, they all need to wake up to the reality that Jesus Christ is the reason we even celebrate Christmas. If a store clerk tells me "Happy Holidays", I say "no, it's Merry Christmas", with the emphasis on "Christ". Most smile.

    As for the shopping thing. I do not shop on the day after Thanksgiving, I never have the $$$ anyways. We spend little and what we do spend is random. However, for all that do, please make your dollars count for who honors God in this holiday, and not count for those who will not.

    BTW, my own opinion, if it was not for God and Jesus Christ, WE would not have ever had this country and would never have been as successful as we have been IN this country. Shame on those people who fail to acknowledge that. MERRY CHRIST-MAS
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    I won't be shopping until well into the holiday season. I may just drop it altogether. If people are not able to enjoy Christmas according to their beliefs, religous or otherwise, then there isn't much point in Christmas.

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    Hey HUD & ACLU, and any other organization that doesn't like Christmas, I thought I'd send you more MERRY CHRISTMAS cards this year. In fact, please accept my early holiday greetings WHICH WE CHRISTIANS CELEBRATE THE BIRTH OF OUR LORD, JESUS CHRIST.


    MERRY CHRISTMAS
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    Why this attack on Christian traditions while going overboard by placing footbaths in airports so Muslins--at government expense--can 'practice' their religions beliefs?

    This is against Christians First Amendment Right of Free Speech.

    This violates the right of Christians under the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

    It is a criminal governmental HOME INTRUSION of our rights and AMERICAN traditions.

    The government has coined a new term-- "Christian Racists"

    If the government wants to separate church from state why don't they muzzle the pro-illegal immigrant ministers in OK instead of attacking grandmothers who place an angel on a Christmas tree.

    Is the government going to round up and jail the elderly and disabled who defy this insane edict and continue to allow millions of illegal aliens to roam freely within U.S. borders? Apparently a grandma with an angel is a greater threat to national security than an illegal alien terrorist.

    By chance did Governor Spritzer visit Mrs. Arnold during Christmas last year?????????

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    FREE EXERCISE OF RELIGION

    ''The Free Exercise Clause . . . withdraws from legislative power, state and federal, the exertion of any restraint on the free exercise of religion. Its purpose is to secure religious liberty in the individual by prohibiting any invasions there by civil authority.'' 178 It bars ''governmental regulation of religious beliefs as such,'' 179 prohibiting misuse of secular governmental programs ''to impede the observance of one or all religions or . . . to discriminate invidiously between religions . . . even though the burden may be characterized as being only indirect.'' 180
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    MyAmerica, thanks for the clip about the freedom to practise religion without interference. Let's use that this year and make them sit down and shut up.
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    Most welcome AmericanElizabeth

    Sent off an e-mail to HUD and the President, to all my e-mail contacts and Lou Dobbs.

    This is the addy for the email site.

    https://secure.afa.net/afa/activism/Tak ... asp?id=274
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