Thread: Pay by the Mile...Not my car!!!!!!

Does any one else see this as invasion of privacy they want to put some sort of tracking devise in our cars.....get real what is their real intent...

Pay-by-the-mile auto insurance advances in California
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By Jim Sanders
jsanders@sacbee.com
Published: Tuesday, Nov. 3, 2009 - 12:00 am | Page 4A
Last Modified: Tuesday, Nov. 3, 2009 - 11:37 am

Car insurance by the tankful?

Not quite, but California moved a step closer last month to pay-as-you-drive policies that could allow motorists to buy insurance like they do gasoline – a little at a time.

Insurance Commissioner Steve Poizner released regulations permitting and authorizing mileage verification for pay-as-you-drive, without dictating what form such plans must take.

The goal is to use per-mile pricing to entice Californians not to drive so much, thus easing air pollution, relieving traffic congestion and lowering the number of traffic collisions.

A first-of-its-kind plan is MileMeter, available only in Texas, which last year began offering six-month policies with chunks of insured miles ranging from 1,000 to 6,000 miles. When the "tank" runs dry, motorists buy more.

"We absolutely anticipate coming to California," said Chris Gay, MileMeter founder and chief executive officer.

"Our take is that half the market out there is being overcharged and underserved – and that's who we aim to address."

A more conventional pay-as-you-drive plan might offer a yearlong policy based on projected mileage, then upon expiration, provide a refund or rebill the driver based on actual mileage as verified by odometer readings or an electronic device.

Spokesmen for State Farm, Allstate and Progressive insurance companies said they are considering the issue but have not decided whether to offer pay-as-you-drive in California. Such policies routinely use various other factors, such as age or type of vehicle, in creating a per-mile price.

Under Proposition 103, approved by voters two decades ago, California insurance premiums already are based partly on miles driven, but insurers say they have lacked authority to adequately verify motorists' estimates, thus resulting in an honor system that often is abused.

California's new regulations allow both mileage-estimated and mileage-verified plans in an attempt to encourage options.

Poizner and other supporters tout pay-as-you-drive as a way to accurately tie insurance cost to accident risk, and to provide an incentive to walk, bike or use public transportation.

"Economic conditions are tough," Poizner said. "The opportunity to actually get a big discount on your auto insurance by driving less? ... It will be very attractive."

Pay-as-you-drive policies, available in various forms in numerous states, is supported conceptually by groups ranging from the California Air Resources Board to the Environmental Defense Fund.

Ken McEldowney of Consumer Action predicted that per-mile policies would succeed in altering habits.

"They may cut back in terms of leisure driving," he said of buyers. "They may combine trips to the store in a way they weren't doing before."

Pay-as-you-drive will not be for everyone, however. The push to cut rates for low-mileage drivers could spark a move to raise rates for high-mileage drivers based on more accurate risk assessment, though no such increase currently is under consideration.

Pedestrians in downtown Sacramento last week had mixed feelings.

"I don't want anybody tracking me, even just for mileage – no," said Michael O'Gara, 60, of Davis.

"I wouldn't do it," added Linda Nguyen, 35, of Sacramento. "Even when I rent a car, I don't want (it billed) by the mile."

But Armando Martinez, 52, who was visiting Sacramento from Oklahoma, said he owns three cars and could benefit from per-mile policies.

"I wouldn't have to worry about paying insurance for the ones that are just sitting there," he said.

A pay-as-you-drive study last year by the Brookings Institution, a public policy research group, concluded that driving would drop by 8 percent nationwide – and oil consumption by 4 percent – if all motorists paid for car insurance by the mile.

Two-thirds of U.S. households would save money – averaging $270 per car – under pay-as-you-drive policies, which routinely would be adjusted for rural vs. urban driving, the Brookings study concluded.

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Pay-by-the-mile auto insurance advances in California
By Jim Sanders
jsanders@sacbee.com
Published: Tuesday, Nov. 3, 2009 - 12:00 am | Page 4A
Last Modified: Tuesday, Nov. 3, 2009 - 11:37 am

"I think it will make a huge difference, if successful," said Assemblyman Jared Huffman, D-San Rafael, who has pushed for pay-as-you-drive the past two years.

But Carmen Balber of Consumer Watchdog, a nonprofit public policy group, said the new regulations cater to the insurance industry by neither requiring firms to offer pay-as-you-drive policies nor requiring premiums to drop as mileage does.

Balber said insurers could abuse the new regulations by proposing policies that verify miles driven, something the industry has desired, without offering price breaks.

"I think the regulations were drafted to guarantee that insurers win, because they were left with all of the choice," Balber said.

Michael Gunning, vice president of the Personal Insurance Federation of California, whose members write more than 50 percent of auto insurance policies statewide, said pay-as-you-drive is being taken very seriously.

"Given the competitive nature of the marketplace, I think this is going to be a selling point for companies," he said.

Poizner said the best way to drive change is to spark competition and encourage innovation, not to dictate policy terms.

"We won't approve products that aren't great for consumers," he said.

The new regulations provide insurers with several options for verifying odometer miles, including using their own agents, smog-check stations, Department of Motor Vehicle records, automotive repair shops or a technological device that could be placed on a policyholder's vehicle.

Addressing privacy concerns, the regulations prohibit per-mile policies from using technological devices to collect information about the location of a vehicle.

In 16 states, Progressive offers pay-as-you-drive policies that track mileage as well as driving habits, such as the hour and the speed that a vehicle is driven.

Balber contends that California's new regulations will serve as a springboard for insurers to push for the right to collect similar data.

"It's definitely a foot in the door," she said.

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Kathyet

"Our take is that half the market out there is being overcharged and underserved – and that's who we aim to address."

What group of Californians do you think is underserved and overcharged (if they can even "illegally get auto insurance???) Again, IT'S THE ILLEGALS WHO CAN'T LEGALLY BUY AUTO INSURANCE!!!

Originally Posted by American-ized

"Our take is that half the market out there is being overcharged and underserved – and that's who we aim to address."

What group of Californians do you think is underserved and overcharged (if they can even "illegally get auto insurance???) Again, IT'S THE ILLEGALS WHO CAN'T LEGALLY BUY AUTO INSURANCE!!!

The new regulations provide insurers with several options for verifying odometer miles, including using their own agents, smog-check stations, Department of Motor Vehicle records, automotive repair shops or a technological device that could be placed on a policyholder's vehicle.

Addressing privacy concerns, the regulations prohibit per-mile policies from using technological devices to collect information about the location of a vehicle.

Who is this serving????

Kathyet

I'm totally against pay-as-you-drive policies. Pay at the pump, pay at the charger, pay when you purchase a car, but not pay by the mile with a tracking device. People will end up getting bills they weren't expecting, another bureaucratic nightmare, anothe agency of government employees stealing money from citizens. No Way!! I totally oppose this before we even get to the invasion of privacy. And they can wail all they want that they aren't collecting data on the person, but we know they would be.

The dictators are already charging us by the mile through their gas tax and hikes ! Also UN-INSURED INSURENCE we have to keep for those who don't have it .

We have no tickets . Only accidents when the 2 illegals who ran into us while we sat still at red light in Orlado and again in Miami , neither spoke english ,had drivers license or insurence .

We are in a state of emergency being invaded ,infiltrated by the commys leading us and more people are becoming aware of it everyday .

Moving to other topic's...

Just another way for them to collect more tax dollars to waste!