Thread: Republicans don’t think government is big enough. Now they want ‘Ivankacare’

Originally Posted by Judy

I honestly do not understand why we would ever have a program like this funded out of Social Security for children born premature or otherwise. SSA is a workers program, not a child care program for people's children. Makes no sense at all to me and none of this program is offset at all by anything.

Many things I don't understand, for instance...

How we are spending $886 Billion on defense, but will not defend our own Southern Border from this invasion.

Originally Posted by Judy

I don't really care. You obviously are familiar with the program for some reason, I am not, never heard of such an absurd thing before I learned about it from a tenant.

Never heard of the program until you mentioned it. Since you are known for posting inaccurate info. (that all bodies from the Duck Boat incident had not been found) I did a search, and posted link.

I don't think we're spending $886 billion on defense, only $717 billion. Still, you would think that's enough to defend our borders and stop an invasion. Last I heard Trump was going to talk to DOD about using military to secure the border. Haven't heard anything more since. My opinion is that Trump is going to do what he can through the agencies which will help some, but not a lot, to solve our problem; try a big show down with Congress over funding for his $25 billion 70 point plan; and work his ass off to try and elect more Republicans to Congress in November so he can pass the bills he wants and get the funding he needs in 2019 with a more Republican Congress.

The $717 billion defense bill just made its way to Trump's desk. Here's what the Pentagon is poised to get

The 2019 National Defense Authorization Act authorizes a top-line budget of $717 billion.
President Donald Trump is expected to sign the defense policy bill.
Here's a roundup of some big ticket items the Pentagon is approved to buy.

Amanda Macias | @amanda_m_macias
Published 2:08 PM ET Thu, 2 Aug 2018 Updated 5:44 PM ET Thu, 2 Aug 2018 CNBC.com

President Donald Trump is expected to approve the colossal defense policy bill that authorizes a top-line budget of $717 billion.

The 2019 National Defense Authorization Act includes $616.9 billion for the Pentagon's base budget, another $69 billion for the overseas contingency operations, or OCO, funding and $21.9 billion for nuclear weapons programs under the Energy Department.

The defense-friendly bill, named in honor of Senator John McCain who is battling brain cancer, authorizes a 2.6 percent pay raise for troops -- the largest in nearly a decade.

The measure also delays the delivery of stealth fighter aircraft to Turkey and blunts Chinese investments by strengthening the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States.

And while the actual funding for the policy bill has yet to materialize from Congress, here's a breakdown of some of the big ticket items the Pentagon is authorized to buy.

The NDAA allows $7.6 billion for 77 of Lockheed Martin's F-35 Joint Strike Fighters. The fifth-generation stealth jet is made at a Lockheed facility in Fort Worth, Texas and remains the Pentagon's most expensive weapons system.

The defense policy bill also bars the delivery of F-35 jets to fellow NATO member Turkey amid concerns over Ankara's desire to buy a Russian missile defense system.

Turkey, an F-35 program partner, is currently slated to receive two of the jets, the first of what Ankara hopes will be the start of a 100-strong fleet.

The legislation authorizes $85 million for UH-60M Black Hawk utility helicopters. The choppers are made by Sikorsky, a unit of Lockheed Martin, at a facility in Stratford, Connecticut.

In March, Trump described Sikorsky's Black Hawk helicopters as "fighting machines" and the "most advanced helicopters in the world."

Congress also agreed to fully fund the U.S. Air Force's new long-range stealth B-21 bomber. America's next heavy bomber is named "Raider" and made by Northrop Grumman.

The aircraft carrier USS Enterprise is underway with the Enterprise Carrier Strike Group in the Atlantic Ocean.

U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Harry Andrew D. Gordon
The aircraft carrier USS Enterprise is underway with the Enterprise Carrier Strike Group in the Atlantic Ocean.

Congress approved $1.56 billion for three littoral combat ships even though the Navy only requested one. The bill also authorizes the fourth Ford-class aircraft carrier, six icebreakers, and a Columbia-class ballistic missile submarine.

In all, a total of 13 new Navy warships were approved for the coming fiscal year.

The NDAA authorizes $225.3 million for Stryker A1 combat vehicles and supports efforts to modernize the Army's armored combat vehicles, which includes: 135 M1 Abrams tanks, 60 Bradley fighting vehicles, 197 armored multi-purpose vehicles, 38 improved recovery vehicles, and 3,390 joint light tactical vehicles.

The legislation also adds $140 million to the Missile Defense Agency for development of critical directed energy and space sensing projects as well as hypersonic defense capabilities.

The Army's efforts to integrate its Patriot and Terminal High Altitude Area Defense, or THAAD, missile defense systems also gets $284 million.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/02/the-...umps-desk.html

Originally Posted by stoptheinvaders

Never heard of the program until you mentioned it. Since you are known for posting inaccurate info. (that all bodies from the Duck Boat incident had not been found) I did a search, and posted link.

Originally Posted by stoptheinvaders

Many things I don't understand, for instance...

How we are spending $886 Billion on defense, but will not defend our own Southern Border from this invasion.

Me neither.

Originally Posted by Judy

I don't think we're spending $886 billion on defense, only $717 billion.

Estimated U.S. military spending is $886 billion. That's from President Trump's budget for Fiscal Year 2019 submitted to Congress. It covers the period October 1, 2018 through September 30, 2019. Military spending is the second largest item in the federal budget after Social Security. The United States spends more on defense than the next nine countries combined.



There are four components. First is the $597.1 billion base budget for the Department of Defense.



Second is the overseas contingency operations for DoD to fight the Islamic State group ($88.9 billion).


Third is the total of other agencies that protect our nation. These expenses are $181.3 billion. They include the Department of Veterans Affairs ($83.1 billion), the State Department ($28.3 billion), Homeland Security ($46 billion), FBI and Cybersecurity in the Department of Justice ($8.8 billion) and the National Nuclear Security Administration in the Department of Energy ($15.1 billion).


The last component is $18.7 billion in OCO funds for the State Department and Homeland Security to fight ISIS.
On February 9, 2018, Congress passed a spending bill that appropriates $700 billion for the defense base budget and overseas contingency operations. Congress will delineate spending for each of the other departments by March 2018.


Defense Department Base Budget

DoD requested $597.1 billion. It seeks to:

1. Increase manning levels for all four branches from 1.314 million in 2018 to 1.338 million.
2. A 2.6 percent pay raise for military personnel. It brings total compensation to $61,700 for enlisted personnel and $113,500 for officers. Those figures include tax-free allowances for food and housing.
3. Continuing the Missile Defeat and Defense Enhancement initiative.

• Increase procurement of preferred and advanced munitions.
• Modernize equipment for the second Army Armored Brigade Combat Team.
• Buy 10 combat ships.
• Increase production of the F-35 and F/A-18 aircraft. The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program cost $400 billion for 2,457 planes, mostly for development and testing.
• Modernize the nuclear triad too enhance deterrence.
• Enhance communications in space.
• Increase the use of technology innovation.

Overseas Contingency Operations

Ironically, the DoD base budget does not include the cost of wars. That falls under Overseas Contingency Operations. It's budgeted at $64.6 billion for DoD and $12 billion for the State Department. For OCO spending back to 2001, see War on Terror Facts. (Source: "2018 Budget, Table 2," OMB, March 16, 2017.)
Military Spending History

Here's a summary of military spending in billions of dollars since 2003:

FY	DoD Base Budget	DoD OCO	Support Base	Support OCO	Total Spending
2003	$364.9	$72.5			$437.4
2004	$376.5	$91.1			$467.6
2005	$400.1	$78.8			$478.9
2006	$410.6	$124.0	$109.7		$644.3
2007	$431.5	$169.4	$120.6		$721.5
2008	$479.0	$186.9	$127.0		$792.9
2009	$513.2	$153.1	$149.4		$815.7
2010	$527.2	$163.1	$160.3	$0.3	$851.6
2011	$528.2	$158.8	$167.4	$0.7	$855.1
2012	$530.4	$115.1	$159.3	$11.5	$816.3
2013	$495.5	$82.1	$157.8	$11.0	$746.4
2014	$496.3	$85.2	$165.4	$6.7	$753.6
2015	$496.1	$64.2	$165.6	$10.5	$736.4
2016	$521.7	$58.6	$171.9	$15.1	$767.3
2017 Actual	$523.2	$82.8	$177.1	$35.1	$818.2
2018 Enacted	$574.5	$71.7	$181.8	$46.4	$874.4
2019 Budget	$597.1	$88.9	$181.3	$18.7	$886.0

https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-milit...growth-3306320

Originally Posted by stoptheinvaders

Never heard of the program until you mentioned it. Since you are known for posting inaccurate info. (that all bodies from the Duck Boat incident had not been found) I did a search, and posted link.

That was based on the report at the news conference by the NSTB conducting the investigation of the Duck Boat accident.

So what was inaccurate about my statement based on your link? I couldn't find anything.

Originally Posted by stoptheinvaders

Estimated U.S. military spending is $886 billion. That's from President Trump's budget for Fiscal Year 2019 submitted to Congress. It covers the period October 1, 2018 through September 30, 2019. Military spending is the second largest item in the federal budget after Social Security. The United States spends more on defense than the next nine countries combined.



There are four components. First is the $597.1 billion base budget for the Department of Defense.



Second is the overseas contingency operations for DoD to fight the Islamic State group ($88.9 billion).


Third is the total of other agencies that protect our nation. These expenses are $181.3 billion. They include the Department of Veterans Affairs ($83.1 billion), the State Department ($28.3 billion), Homeland Security ($46 billion), FBI and Cybersecurity in the Department of Justice ($8.8 billion) and the National Nuclear Security Administration in the Department of Energy ($15.1 billion).


The last component is $18.7 billion in OCO funds for the State Department and Homeland Security to fight ISIS.
On February 9, 2018, Congress passed a spending bill that appropriates $700 billion for the defense base budget and overseas contingency operations. Congress will delineate spending for each of the other departments by March 2018.


Defense Department Base Budget

DoD requested $597.1 billion. It seeks to:

1. Increase manning levels for all four branches from 1.314 million in 2018 to 1.338 million.
2. A 2.6 percent pay raise for military personnel. It brings total compensation to $61,700 for enlisted personnel and $113,500 for officers. Those figures include tax-free allowances for food and housing.
3. Continuing the Missile Defeat and Defense Enhancement initiative.

• Increase procurement of preferred and advanced munitions.
• Modernize equipment for the second Army Armored Brigade Combat Team.
• Buy 10 combat ships.
• Increase production of the F-35 and F/A-18 aircraft. The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program cost $400 billion for 2,457 planes, mostly for development and testing.
• Modernize the nuclear triad too enhance deterrence.
• Enhance communications in space.
• Increase the use of technology innovation.

Overseas Contingency Operations

Ironically, the DoD base budget does not include the cost of wars. That falls under Overseas Contingency Operations. It's budgeted at $64.6 billion for DoD and $12 billion for the State Department. For OCO spending back to 2001, see War on Terror Facts. (Source: "2018 Budget, Table 2," OMB, March 16, 2017.)
Military Spending History

Here's a summary of military spending in billions of dollars since 2003:

FY	DoD Base Budget	DoD OCO	Support Base	Support OCO	Total Spending
2003	$364.9	$72.5			$437.4
2004	$376.5	$91.1			$467.6
2005	$400.1	$78.8			$478.9
2006	$410.6	$124.0	$109.7		$644.3
2007	$431.5	$169.4	$120.6		$721.5
2008	$479.0	$186.9	$127.0		$792.9
2009	$513.2	$153.1	$149.4		$815.7
2010	$527.2	$163.1	$160.3	$0.3	$851.6
2011	$528.2	$158.8	$167.4	$0.7	$855.1
2012	$530.4	$115.1	$159.3	$11.5	$816.3
2013	$495.5	$82.1	$157.8	$11.0	$746.4
2014	$496.3	$85.2	$165.4	$6.7	$753.6
2015	$496.1	$64.2	$165.6	$10.5	$736.4
2016	$521.7	$58.6	$171.9	$15.1	$767.3
2017 Actual	$523.2	$82.8	$177.1	$35.1	$818.2
2018 Enacted	$574.5	$71.7	$181.8	$46.4	$874.4
2019 Budget	$597.1	$88.9	$181.3	$18.7	$886.0

https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-milit...growth-3306320

LOL!! Well, sure, if you add billions of dollars from Homeland Security, State Department, Department of Energy, Department of Justice and Veterans Affairs, it would be higher.

Under your scenario, we should add the cost of the Social Security Administration to the spending bill for the Department of Labor.

In any event, we're spending more than enough to have good border security and stop the invasion, so we don't need any more funding for a wall or enforcement.

Cancel SSI benefits to non-citizens too. How many people are scamming the system that have not worked, paid into, or earned this benefit?

We allow FMLA to draw from SSI the money will be gone, retiring Seniors will get less money. Money they paid into their whole life.

We cannot allow 20 million people to draw SSI because they had a baby and want a vacation!


OPEN A "FMLA SAVINGS PLAN" THROUGH YOUR EMPLOYER...HAVE PAYROLL DEDUCTIONS AND PLAN FOR YOUR OWN FAMILY AND TIME OFF ON YOUR DIME!

BUY YOUR OWN FOOD, DIAPERS, CLOTHES, TOYS, CRIB, STROLLER, SHOES, PAY FOR YOUR OWN DOCTOR, MEDICAL CARE! YOU WANT A CHILD...IT IS YOUR RESONSIBILTY TO PLAN AND PAY FOR IT, NOT MINE, NOT THE EMPLOYER AND NOT THE TAXPAYERS!