Thread: Someone is Lying About the Pope’s Meeting with Kim Davis

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Someone is Lying About the Pope’s Meeting with Kim Davis

by Austin Ruse2 Oct 2015

Papal spokesman Father Thomas Rosica flatly denies Kim Davis met privately with Pope Francis when he visited Washington, D.C. which stands in flat contradiction to Davis’s claims.

In Roscia’s telling Davis was part of a large number of people as part of “the farewell greeting as the Pope was leaving the Nunciature in Washington” prior to his departure for New York City.

Rosica said the Vatican ambassador to the United States, “…invited a number of guests, his own choice, to greet the Pope, very brief greetings, and in the Pope’s characteristic kindness and hospitality he shook people’s hands and gave them Rosaries. In terms of why this person was invited, you’d have to ask the Nuncio.”

This stands diametrically opposed to the claims of Kim Davis that she met privately with the Pope and that no one else, besides a handful of Vatican personnel, was present. As proof of her version of events, Davis’s lawyer Mathew Staver points to the fact that the Vatican sent a security detail to pick her up at her hotel and deliver her to the Vatican Embassy.

Anyone remotely familiar with what Rosica describes as no more than a Papal meet and greet knows the Vatican does not send a car and driver, let alone a security detail.

Staver was with Davis when Vatican security picked them up. He said the detail were not Americans, that “they spoke Italian and when they spoke English it was heavily accented.”

Staver also told Breitbart News that he did not see a large group of people at the Nunciature that day, though the building is large and the larger group could have been somewhere else.

With such a stark contrast between Father Rosica’s telling and Kim Davis’s, it is clear someone is lying about her meeting with the Pope.

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So now the challenge is determining who lied:

a. Pope
b. Liberty Lawyer, Mathew Staver
c. Kim and Joe Davis

Suggestion: Follow-the money.

Advice to Huckabee and Cruz ..... run, run fast, don't look back, run as hard as you can until you're as far away from Kim Davis as you can get. You have both tarnished your campaigns by associating with a nut job. It doesn't matter what your personal views on marriage are, what matters is when you make the untenable decision while in races to become President of the United States to support defiance of a US Supreme Court Ruling that does nothing except protect the right of gay couples to seek and receive equal protection under the law.

God Above Government is the law of the land in .... Iraq and Afghanistan, where the highest law of the land is the Koran under their Constitutions, not the United States. The First Amendment guarantees you the freedom to worship and practice your religion as you see fit, whatever it may be. It does not guarantee you the right to use that freedom to harm or discriminate against others or exploit our government to invoke your beliefs on others.

Originally Posted by Judy

So now the challenge is determining who lied:

a. Pope
b. Liberty Lawyer, Mathew Staver
c. Kim and Joe Davis

Suggestion: Follow-the money.

Advice to Huckabee and Cruz ..... run, run fast, don't look back, run as hard as you can until you're as far away from Kim Davis as you can get. You have both tarnished your campaigns by associating with a nut job. It doesn't matter what your personal views on marriage are, what matters is when you make the untenable decision while in races to become President of the United States to support defiance of a US Supreme Court Ruling that does nothing except protect the right of gay couples to seek and receive equal protection under the law.

God Above Government is the law of the land in .... Iraq and Afghanistan, where the highest law of the land is the Koran under their Constitutions, not the United States. The First Amendment guarantees you the freedom to worship and practice your religion as you see fit, whatever it may be. It does not guarantee you the right to use that freedom to harm or discriminate against others or exploit our government to invoke your beliefs on others.

To my knowledge the Pope himself hasn't said anything. Spokespersons tend to cover for their bosses all the time. I think it is very possible that the Pope's spokesperson is just covering to keep the Pope out of this so-called hot-button issue. Actually, I think it is very feasible that the Pope was limited by the Obama administration on what he could say and do while he was here. Yep, I'm saying it ....... I think one of the conditions of the Pope's visit was to not stir up any controversy that would prove contrary to the Obama administration's agenda.

Originally Posted by MW

To my knowledge the Pope himself hasn't said anything. Spokespersons tend to cover for their bosses all the time. I think it is very possible that the Pope's spokesperson is just covering to keep the Pope out of this so-called hot-button issue. Actually, I think it is very feasible that the Pope was limited by the Obama administration on what he could say and do while he was here. Yep, I'm saying it ....... I think one of the conditions of the Pope's visit was to not stir up any controversy that would prove contrary to the Obama administration's agenda.

Why would the Pope meet with Kim Davis? I can see her lawyer arranging through the Vatican Ambassador for her to be in a meet and greet line but I can't see him meeting with Kim Davis. He doesn't even agree with her position.

http://time.com/3975630/pope-francis-lgbt-issues/

The Pope Francis Statement That Changed the Church on LGBT Issues

Christopher J. Hale @chrisjollyhale

July 28, 2015
Pope Francis greets the attendees of a conference as part of the II Meeting of People's Movements in Santa Cruz, Bolivia, on on July 9, 2015.
Amanecer Tedesqui/CON—Getty Images Pope Francis greets the attendees of a conference as part of the II Meeting of People's Movements in Santa Cruz, Bolivia, on on July 9, 2015.

Christopher Hale is executive director at Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good and the co-founder of Millennial.
Over the last two years, the Catholic Church has become more open to welcoming the LGBT community

“If someone is gay and searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?” Two years ago Tuesday, Pope Francis uttered these words, sending shockwaves throughout the Catholic Church and the world. His position stood in contrast to that of his predecessors: Months earlier, Pope Benedict XVI suggested that gay marriage was a threat to global peace.

Under the leadership of Pope Francis, the Catholic Church is evolving on LGBT issues. As theologian David Cloutier has noted, the process isn’t political—it’s spiritual. The church is beginning to discern more deeply the full measure of God’s presence in LGBT individuals and, yes, couples, too. There have been five notable moments in this evolution.

1. Pope Francis said that God doesn’t condemn LGBT individuals — Sept. 30, 2013

In an interview with America Magazine, Pope Francis revealed his pastoral approach toward the LGBT community:

A person once asked me, in a provocative manner, if I approved of homosexuality. I replied with another question: ‘Tell me: when God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person?’ We must always consider the person. Here we enter into the mystery of the human being.

2. Pope Francis suggested the church could be open to civil unions — March 5, 2014

Francis said in an interview that the church could be open to same-sex civil unions, a view he had first voiced as archbishop of Buenos Aires. The pope reiterated the church’s teaching that a “marriage is between a man and a woman” but argued that on civil unions, “we have to look at different cases and evaluate them in their variety.”

3. The Francis effect goes global — Summer of 2014

The summer of 2014 was a remarkable period during which a number of high-ranking Catholic prelates signaled that Pope Francis’s more open posture had permeated throughout the Catholic world. In May, a top-ranking Italian bishop said that the church should listen to same-sex marriage arguments. A few weeks later, Brazilian Cardinal Cláudio Hummes, said he “didn’t know” whether Jesus would oppose gay marriage. In early September, New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan approved the St. Patrick Day Parade Committee’s decision to allow a gay group to march in the 2015 parade under their own banner. (Twenty-one years earlier, one of Dolan’s predecessors, Cardinal John O’Connor, said that to allow a gay group to march would be a slander to the Apostles’ Creed.)

4. The Synod on the Family’s interim report affirmed the “gifts and qualities” of LGBT individuals — October 2014

The bishops gathered for Pope Francis’s Synod on the Family in October 2014 issued a report suggesting that the church should create a more inclusive space for LGBT Catholics. In the document, they said that the LGBT community has “gifts and qualities to offer to the Christian community,” and they asked, “Are we capable of welcoming these people, guaranteeing to them a fraternal space in our communities?” Though this language was rejected in the final draft, it sparked a conversation that the church could formally change its stance toward the LGBT community when the bishops meet again this October.

5. The pope began a series of meetings and dialogues with LGBT individuals and activists — 2015

Throughout the first months of 2015, Pope Francis had several encounters with LGBT individuals and groups, including a transgender man from Spain who was excluded from his parish community, and gay and transgender prisoners in Naples. The Vatican also gave the VIP treatment to a pro-LGBT American Catholic group visiting Rome and the pope met with a gay Paraguayan activist during his recent trip to South America.

Collectively these events signal a church that is more open to welcoming the LGBT community and the diverse realities of the modern family than it was two years ago. After the Supreme Court’s ruling in support of same-sex marriage last month, Blase Cupich, Pope Francis’s handpicked archbishop of Chicago, said the church’s respect for LGBT individuals “must be real, not rhetorical, and ever reflective of the Church’s commitment to accompanying all people.” Such language would have been rare two years ago. Today it’s expected. Thank God.

http://time.com/3975630/pope-francis-lgbt-issues/

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2...isrc=obnetwork

Fox News on Kim Davis’ Lawyer: “Stunningly Obtuse,” “Ridiculously Stupid”

By Mark Joseph Stern
Sept. 8 2015 12:33 PM

VIDEO IN LINK

Anti-gay Kentucky clerk Kim Davis has been given plenty of dubious legal advice by her attorneys, the anti-gay fringe group Liberty Counsel. It was no surprise, then, to see Liberty Counsel founder and chairman Mathew Staver claim that “it’s really questionable” whether the Supreme Court has “any constitutional authority” to strike down same-sex marriage bans. What was surprising, however, was that Fox News host Gregg Jarrett actually criticized Staver, calling his statement “stunningly obtuse.” His guest, criminal defense attorney Sharon Liko, chimed in to note that Jarrett hadn’t quite captured the inanity of Staver’s assertion: It was, in fact, “ridiculously stupid.”

What we’re seeing here is the right’s continued realization that Davis is an absolutely atrocious mascot for the cause of religious liberty. Davis herself is an unsympathetic, martyrdom-seeking lawbreaker; her attorneys are questioning the constitutional authority of the very institution they are asking for help. That is not a winning strategy—but then, the Liberty Counsel has always seemed less concerned with winning Davis’ case than with maximizing its own fame and fortune. When even Fox News balks, it’s time to pull back on the SCOTUS-bashing.

Judy wrote:

Why would the Pope meet with Kim Davis? I can see her lawyer arranging through the Vatican Ambassador for her to be in a meet and greet line but I can't see him meeting with Kim Davis. He doesn't even agree with her position.

So are you saying the Pope supports homosexual marriage or are you saying he doesn't support a person standing by their religious convictions? Well, I think the Pope does support her position whether he admits it publicly or not.