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    US Abandons Scheme to Arm Rebels, Instead Adopts Rand Paul's Proposal to Arm Kurds

    US Abandons Scheme to Arm Rebels, Instead Adopts Rand Paul's Proposal to Arm Kurds; Hillary Flashbacks

    Russian interference in Syria has had one positive aspect already: US Scraps Scheme to Create Syrian Rebel Force.

    The US is halting a controversial $500m programme to create a rebel force in Syria after concluding that it was having practically no impact in the battle against Isis fighters in the war-torn country.

    Instead of trying to build up a new force of fighters — training them outside Syria and then sending them back in equipped — the Pentagon will now focus on arming and training a smaller number of leaders of Arab and Kurdish groups in Syria that have had some success fighting the Islamist militant group Isis.
    Since arming Syrian al Qaeda "rebel" terrorists was always a bad idea, I would call this bit of news a distinct positive.

    Hillary Flashbacks

    Last Year the Guardian reported Hillary Clinton Wanted to Arm Syrian Rebels, Memoir Reveals.

    On February 1, 2015, the Washington Times reported Secret Benghazi Report Reveals Hillary’s Libya War Push Armed al Qaeda-Tied Terrorists.

    On July 1, in the Washington Times article Hillary’s Secret War Judge Andrew Napolitano listed his conclusion after reviewing documents and emails from a period in which Hillary Clinton was secretary of state.

    Napolitano stated "What I saw has persuaded me beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral certainty that Mrs. Clinton provided material assistance to terrorists and lied to Congress in a venue where the law required her to be truthful."

    Succession of Bad Ideas

    Recall that one of the reasons president Bush gave for invading Iraq was that Hussein was harboring al Qaeda. In reality, al Qaeda did not exist in Iraq to any degree until the US invaded and put in a dangerously unstable government. ISIS was the direct result.

    In the wake of the Iraq mess, the US armed alleged "moderate rebels" in three places. It backfired in Libya, Iraq, and Syria.

    Arming al Qaeda is absurd.

    Rand Paul on Arming Kurds

    In a March 10 interview, senator Rand Paul said Arm the Kurds to Battle ISIS and Radical Islam, Give Them Kurdistan.
    In an exclusive interview with Breitbart News, likely 2016 GOP presidential candidate Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) staked out a bold position on a foreign policy matter—pushing to arm Kurdish fighters against the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) even more than the U.S. has already done, but also calling for the creation of a new nation of Kurdistan.

    “Part of the problem is the Kurds aren’t getting enough arms,” Paul said. “The Kurds are the best fighters. The arms are going through Baghdad to get to the Kurds and they’re being siphoned off and they’re not getting what they need. I think any arms coming from us or coming from any European countries ought to go directly to the Kurds. They seem to be the most effective and most determined fighters.”

    “But I would go one step further: I would draw new lines for Kurdistan and I would promise them a country,” Paul said.
    Map-Making Problems

    Should the US be drawing lines, promising to build countries? Or should the US tell the Kurds that if they create a country, the US would recognize it? Something else?

    A Wikipedia Map of Kurdistan highlights the issues with re-drawing lines.

    "Contemporary use of the term refers to four parts of a greater Kurdistan, which include parts of southeastern Turkey (Northern Kurdistan), northern Syria (Western Kurdistan), northern Iraq (Southern Kurdistan), and western Iran (Eastern Kurdistan). Some Kurdish nationalist organizations seek to create an independent nation state of Kurdistan, consisting of some or all of the areas with Kurdish majority, while others campaign for greater Kurdish autonomy within the existing national boundaries."

    The Kurds are fighting ISIS in Iraq and Syria. Turkey is fighting the Kurds in Turkey.

    Turkey does not want an independent Kurdistan in Iraq for fear it will lose part of Turkey in the process. And what about Iran? Would it cede territory to a new Kurdish state?

    Simply put, the US should not be in the map-making business. Nor should the US arm terrorists. But what is the definition of terrorist?

    Terrorism in the Eyes of the Beholder

    • The US has a definition of "terrorist" that it frequently and foolishly overlooks with terrible results.
    • Syria has a definition that would include US-backed al Qaeda rebels.
    • Turkey has a definition that would include the independence-minded Kurds in Turkey.
    • The Kurds have a fourth definition, and Iran a fifth.
    • Of course Lebanon, Israel, and the Palestinians all have their overlapping definitions too.

    Twin Blasts at Turkish Peace Rally

    In an unfortunate incident this weekend, Twin Blasts at Turkish Peace Rally Kill at Least 86.
    A twin bombing in Ankara has killed at least 86 people at a peace rally, the deadliest attack in Turkey’s history.

    The blasts took place on Saturday near a train station where a crowd of supporters of the Peoples’ Democracy Party (HDP) had gathered ahead of the rally to protest against armed clashes between security forces and Kurdish insurgents.

    Authorities have called the attack an act of terror and are said to be looking into reports that two suicide bombers were involved.

    The bombing comes just three weeks ahead of an early election in which the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) hopes to regain the parliamentary majority it lost in the June poll after a surprisingly strong showing by the pro-Kurdish HDP.

    The run-up to the November 1 vote has already been marred by widespread violence across the country, particularly in the Kurdish south-east, after the collapse of a ceasefire between the government and the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK).
    Kurdistan Worker's Party

    Wikipedia reports the Kurdistan Worker's Party "(PKK) is usually used interchangeably for the name of its armed wing, the People's Defence Force (HPG), which was formerly called the Kurdistan National Liberty Army (ARGK). The PKK is listed as a terrorist organization internationally by several states and organizations, including the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) and the European Union. However countries such as India, China, Russia, Switzerland and Egypt have not designated the PKK as a terrorist organization. Also, the UN has not listed the PKK as a terrorist organisation."

    Mideast Mapmaking

    Reason.Com had these comments on mapmaking.
    Paul didn't merely say that if the Kurds succeed in carving out a territory, the U.S. should recognize it. He said America should actively involve itself in launching the state and establishing its borders.

    Eugene McCarthy once wisecracked that you can blame most of the world's problems on British mapmakers, who casually carved countries out of their dying empire without regard for whether the boundaries they were drawing made much sense.

    I can't say I have much faith that mapmakers based in Washington would do a more impressive job — and I have even less faith that it would be worth any ordinary American's while to get tangled up in the conflicts that would inevitably follow.
    Mish Proposals

    1. Let's get out of the map-making business, forever.
    2. If the Kurds want to fight ISIS, it's reasonable to help them on the grounds this is their legitimate battle, not ours, and also because ISIS is essentially a US creation. Also note that ISIS, unlike Saddam Hussein, is a potential security threat, if not a genuine one already.
    3. If Russia wants to take on ISIS, let them, or better yet, welcome them.
    4. No US troops
    5. Let's get to the bottom of this Hillary mess, whatever it takes.

    Mike "Mish" Shedlock


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    Can't we influence the Kurds to call a truce with Turkey long enough to beat ISIL and establish themselves in Iraq?

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    No. Forget the Kurds. Forget them. They're all over the world trying to establish diasporas and "states". They are people without a country, because they don't have one. Once long ago, they did, but they lost it. That's the result of being conquered, no different than many other tribes and nationalities and cultures who lost wars. Get over it. They're Muslims like all the rest of these crazy ass feuding religionists. They aren't interested in anyone but themselves, some are Sunni Muslims, some are Sheite Muslims, they fight and quarrel with every country they live in that allows it. The ones in Iraq fought with Iraq. The ones in Turkey fight with Turkey. The ones in Iran fight with Iran. And yes, I guess there's even some in Syria fighting with everyone.

    Forget the Kurds. They need to assimilate with whatever country they've ended up in and get on with their lives.

    Think of the Kurds as some bunch of Vikings from long ago, trying to re-instill Viking Land wherever their descendants ended up. It doesn't work that way.

    We must stop encouraging all these types of people, we must stop empowering them, we must stay out of all this feuding, warring uncivilized religious, cultural-conflict crap, because they are not freedom-fighters, they are not seeking liberty as we know it, what they are warring over is the power to inflict their own tyranny in their own space.

    US policy has to turn away from these whining people who want this and want that and sucker us into conflicts, wars, expense, and death of our own people fighting for these wacko wannabes who can't afford a gawd damn rifle of their own but want to own their own country.

    All these people have an obligation to get along with their neighbors, their leaders, their countries, their governments, their society, an obligation none of them want to step up to, because they're all the same, just one hideous flavor among many of the same sick Muslim Kool-Aid.

    My grandfather told me once that the hardest word in the English language is "No". And for most Americans it is, a very hard word, because by our nature we want to help everyone, but we can't, nor most of the time should we. We help one, only to hurt another. There's no end-game, there's no right or wrong side to be on in these types of cultural conflicts, which is why we must stay out of all of them.

    Let Russia handle it. They know how to restore order. We don't.
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    Kurds, Sunis, Bert and Ernies, It dosent matter. Lets REMEMBER that this was a MANUFACTURED WAR TO STRIP US OF OUR(USA) RIGHTS(TSA, NSA, Patriot Act, etc.). LIES - "Lets go to War with Iraq. No they had nothing to do with 911, but THEY HAVE WMDs and they THREW BABIES OUT OF THEIR INCUBATORS IN KUWAIT".
    Ask yourself "I WE are REALLY AT WAR with ISLAM, WHY OR HOW COULD OUR BORDERS BE WIDE OPEN?" I guess they want us to think "Muslims aren't smart enough to realize they can get to us through OUR ENTIRE SOUTHERN BORDER, OR FAST ENOUGH TO GET THERE OVER THE LAST 14 YEARS".


    I am not a Government Official and have no Classified Documents, but I have been trying to PROVE THIS "Hypothesis" WRONG FOR THE LAST 7 YEARS AND HAVE ON CAME ACROSS A COLLECTION OF INFORMATION THAT ONLY MAKES IT PROBABLE.
    "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, stated by Sherlock Holmes

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