Thread: Why radicals want full coverage for pre-existing conditions

Ask our socialist radicals in Congress if those who have willingly engaged in risky activities which have resulted in a severe medical condition should be covered under a taxpayer funded or privately funded health insurance plan and they will emphatically answer “YES! Is health care not a human right“?

But what is most remarkable is, there is one group which always seems to associate themselves with other identifiable groups as a means to justify their cause and this is exhibited in the following article:

Health Care as a Human Right
By Natasha Bowens
July 30, 2009.

Natasha writes:

How can we ensure that no matter what class, race, gender, or sexual orientation, our citizens will not be denied care or go bankrupt trying to pay for treatment of their illnesses?

Note that Natasha includes “sexual orientationâ€

"No Natasha, health care is not a right, nor should it be an enforceable right because if it were a right and enforceable by government, government could only enforce that right by trampling upon another individual’s inalienable right to refuse to support the personal economic needs of another, not to mention refusing to care for those who have brought their health care needs upon themselves via promiscuous sexual activities and other unhealthy choices one has willingly and knowingly made."

I agree! And that would also prevent corpulent fatties like Rush Limbaugh from getting coverage for obesity related problems!

I have never had a risky lifestyle, but......

Even though I am not overweight nor have I ever been and I am active, I have type II diabetes, completely under control, but diagnosed (probably genetic - granmom, mom etc) and I am uninsurable if I lose my current health insurance.

There are an alarming number of people diagnosed with Type II Diabetes in the age group over 50.

I believe that the big reason there has been such an increase is that they lowered the bar on the glucose levels from 140 to 120 to classify someone as a full blown diabetic.

I have been treated for a severe back injury and have developed osteoarthritis , I am uninsurable because I am in ongoing treatment.

Some of the "lifestyle induced" conditions mentioned above are pretty nasty and not something that I was considering. I am really torn on this one becasue I personally have horse in the race.

I personally think that tort reform and insurance regulation is the way to go, not goverment run healthcare.

I have not had health insurance since 1996. At the moment, my main medical problem is genetic high blood pressure, which is under control with my pill. My annual visit to the doctor for a blood test costs about $230, and he usually cleans out the sample locker giving me freebies. Insurance would cost me over $400 a month, or over $4,800. Now I spend the $230 for the visit and about $100 per month for the pills, or about $1,430.
What we need to do is take a serious look at Medicaid (after we kick out the 14th Amendment) as the abusers are not the people wandering homeless, but illegal aliens that drop babies every year.
Drug makers should be reined in as so many companies have offshored production and keep raising prices every year to pay for TV and other ads, which encourage the patient to ask their doctor for something they saw on TV. My elderly relative was flipping stations and heard about a med to help high blood pressure. She wrote down Levitra on the blood pressure sheet she took to the doc. Before he walked into the room, I went through his drug booklet and found it was for ED. Oops!

Originally Posted by Newmexican

I have never had a risky lifestyle, but......

Even though I am not overweight nor have I ever been and I am active, I have type II diabetes, completely under control, but diagnosed (probably genetic - granmom, mom etc) and I am uninsurable if I lose my current health insurance.

There are an alarming number of people diagnosed with Type II Diabetes in the age group over 50.

I believe that the big reason there has been such an increase is that they lowered the bar on the glucose levels from 140 to 120 to classify someone as a full blown diabetic.

I have been treated for a severe back injury and have developed osteoarthritis , I am uninsurable because I am in ongoing treatment.

Some of the "lifestyle induced" conditions mentioned above are pretty nasty and not something that I was considering. I am really torn on this one becasue I personally have horse in the race.

I personally think that tort reform and insurance regulation is the way to go, not goverment run healthcare.

I think most reasonable people have no problem with helping those in need, especially with regard to medical emergencies. But when people knowingly and willingly contribute to their own medical condition it is a far, far different matter.

Fact is, there is no magic in government force which changes the definition of theft!

There are those who like to use the force of government to steal their neighbor’s property and then give it away as if they made the sacrifice. But it is even worse than that. There are those in government who want to use the force of government [taxing and spending powers] to buy votes, and this is what it’s really about, building a massive voting block dependent upon government for its subsistence.


When will people be held accountable for their own doings?

Government is the problem, not the solution! For example, government prevents cooperatives being created by people, especially small business owners, and exercising their numbers across state lines which would go a very long way in helping to lower the cost of health insurance. Government helps to stifle competition, especially when the people decide to take the situation in hand and come up with real solutions such as cooperatives.


JWK

If I were to lose my insurance, I would be eligible for a "high risk pool", every state has one. It is not cheap, currently between 800.00 and $900.00 a month for an individual but it is available if a person has serious health issues you pay it. I had a cervical fusion in 2008, the hospital bills were $68,000.00.

My brother-in-law was diagnosed with cancer with no insurance and it took he and my sister years and a house refinance to pay off the over $160,000.00 in medical bills. The hospital wouldn't give them the same rate they gave the insurance companies - they paid the premium price for every charge. So, now in their 60's they are in debt on a large mortgage they took to pay for the hospital.

I agree that co-ops are a good idea or insurance pools with group coverage.