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Wait until they find a pentagram in the christian church. All hell will break loose.

Originally Posted by JohnDoe2

Wait until they find a pentagram in the christian church. All hell will break loose.

The cross is going to start a pissing match, I bet. So dont be surprised if they really do find a pentagram in the church.

And what group would bring forth the pentagram?

Originally Posted by roundabout

And what group would bring forth the pentagram?

Pentagram
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A pentagram (sometimes known as a pentalpha or pentangle or, more formally, as a star pentagon) is the shape of a five-pointed star drawn with five straight strokes. The word pentagram comes from the Greek word πεντάγÏ

Wait until they find a pentagram in the christian church. All hell will break loose.

I am aware of the history of the pentagram JohnDoe2. However there is more, is there not? One point up, two points up? You brought hell into the equation. Is it the Greeks, Babylonians, Freemasons, or Wiccans that will invoke this hell you speak of? Or was that just a poke in the eye of those lower cased (c) Christians?

Why is it that the warm and fuzzy, all inclusive crowd always leaves out the Satanists? Those guys have always gotten a bad rap, they are almost as bad as Christians if you listen to some. Perhaps they have not been left out on purpose, or......left out at all?

Satanist just didn't happen to be in the first part of the info when I GOOGLED 'pentagram". But here is the rest of , just for you.

[edit] Early history

[edit] Sumer
The first known uses of the pentagram are found in Mesopotamian writings dating to about 3000 BC. The Sumerian pentagrams served as pictograms for the word "UB," meaning "corner, angle, nook; a small room, cavity, hole; pitfall," suggesting something very similar to the pentemychos (see below on the Pythagorean use for what pentemychos means). In René Labat's index system of Sumerian hieroglyphs/pictograms it is shown with two points up.[6] In the Babylonian context, the edges of the pentagram were probably orientations: forward, backward, left, right, and "above".[7] These directions also had an astrological meaning, representing the five planets Jupiter, Mercury, Mars and Saturn, and Venus as the "Queen of Heaven" (Ishtar) above.[7]

[edit] Pythagoreans
The Pythagoreans called the pentagram ὑγιεία Hygieia ("health"; also the Greek goddess of health, Hygieia), and saw in the pentagram a mathematical perfection (see Geometry section below).

The five vertices were also used by the medieval neo-pythagoreans (whom one could argue were not pythagoreans at all) to represent the five classical elements:

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Wait until they find a pentagram in the christian church. All hell will break loose.


I am aware of the history of the pentagram JohnDoe2. However there is more, is there not? One point up, two points up? You brought hell into the equation. Is it the Greeks, Babylonians, Freemasons, or Wiccans that will invoke this hell you speak of? Or was that just a poke in the eye of those lower cased (c) Christians?

Why is it that the warm and fuzzy, all inclusive crowd always leaves out the Satanists? Those guys have always gotten a bad rap, they are almost as bad as Christians if you listen to some. Perhaps they have not been left out on purpose, or......left out at all?

Well, I guess a little inclusion is better than no inclusion at all. Sort of like opening Pandora's box. Do you just open it enough to break the seal and try to peak in? Or, do you open it up fully and let 'all hell break loose?'

Religious symbolism

Christianity

Christ as a Pentagram, from Valeriano Bolzani's Hieroglyphica (Basel, 1556)The pentagram is used as a Christian symbol for the five senses,[12] and if the letters S, A, L, V, and S are inscribed in the points, it can be taken as a symbol of health (from Latin salus).[13]

Medieval Christians believed that the "pentalpha" symbolises the five wounds of Christ. The pentagram was believed to protect against witches and demons.[14]

The pentagram figured in a heavily symbolic Arthurian romance:[14] it appears on the shield of Sir Gawain in the 14th century poem Sir Gawain and the Green Knight. As the poet explains, the five points of the star each have five meanings: they represent the five senses, the five fingers, the five wounds of Christ,[15] the five joys that Mary had of Jesus (the Annunciation, the Nativity, the Resurrection, the Ascension, and the Assumption), and the five virtues of knighthood which Gawain hopes to embody: noble generosity, fellowship, purity, courtesy, and compassion.

Thank You for that thorough education concerning religious symbolism and the pentagram, and the many differing groups and manners in which it has been used JohnDoe2.

With such knowledge I have concluded that the one use by a particular group was not the intended pentagram that you inferred would have 'all hell break loose.'

Religious symbolism

Christianity

Christ as a Pentagram, from Valeriano Bolzani's Hieroglyphica (Basel, 1556)The pentagram is used as a Christian symbol for the five senses,[12] and if the letters S, A, L, V, and S are inscribed in the points, it can be taken as a symbol of health (from Latin salus).[13]

Medieval Christians believed that the "pentalpha" symbolises the five wounds of Christ. The pentagram was believed to protect against witches and demons.[14]

Am I right? It is not the use of the pentagram in this context that found "in the Christian Church" would lead one to think "all hell will break loose."

Originally Posted by roundabout

Am I right? It is not the use of the pentagram in this context that found "in the Christian Church" would lead one to think "all hell will break loose."

All hell would break loose because

Most Christians, probably due to their misinterpretation of symbols used by ceremonial magicians, came to associate it with Satanism and subsequently rejected the symbol sometime in the twentieth century.

and

Satanism
A goat's head inscribed in a downward-pointing pentagram, from La Clef de la Magie Noire by the Rosicrucian Stanislas de Guaita (1897).Satanists use a pentagram with two points up, often inscribed in a double circle, with the head of a goat inside the pentagram. This is referred to as the Sigil of Baphomet. They use it much the same way as the Pythagoreans, as Tartaros literally translates from Greek as a "Pit" or "Void" in Christian terminology (the word is used as such in the Bible, referring to the place where the fallen angels are fettered). The Pythagorean Greek letters are most often replaced by the Hebrew letters לויתן forming the name Leviathan. Less esoteric LaVeyan Satanists use it as a sign of rebellion or religious identification, the three downward points symbolising rejection of the holy Trinity.