Thread: WND Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?

Originally Posted by Bulldogger

Another little problem, Kenya did not declare for Republic until December of 1964. That is about 10 month's after the COLB was created.

at the time, Kenya was a colony of the United Kingdom.

Kenya did not declare itself a Republic until Dec 12 1964.

Post Independence: Status of Parliament

Bicameralism
The composition to the Legislature and the framework of the Government at Independence remained in place until the first anniversary. Arising from close negotiations between the Government and the Opposition, a merger of all the parties represented in the House, under the Kenya African National Union - K.A.N.U. and under the leadership of Mzee Jomo Kenyatta was concluded and took effect on December 12, 1964 with the voluntary dissolution of the Kenya African Democratic Union - K.A.D.U. and the African Peoples Party - A.P.P. This merger meant an unanticipated de facto one party status. On December 12, 1964 , Kenya declared herself a Sovereign Republic within the Commonwealth. Mzee Kenyatta become the first President, heading a Cabinet of eighteen Ministers. December 12, has since been celebrated as Jamhuri Day. The first Vice President, Mr. Jaramogi Oginga Odinga, resigned on April 14, 1966 and immediately formed an opposition party, the Kenya Peoples' Union - K.P.U. This reintroduced a dejure multi-party status. The late Mr. Joseph Anthony Zusarte Murumbi, hitherto, Minister for Foreign Affairs was appointed the Vice President on May 03, 196

http://www.bunge.go.ke/parliament/Histo ... ndence.php

Originally Posted by jamesw62

Originally Posted by Bulldogger

Another little problem, Kenya did not declare for Republic until December of 1964. That is about 10 month's after the COLB was created.

at the time, Kenya was a colony of the United Kingdom.

Correct, look what it says right below the seal, see the problem with the time line? Now it is possible that documents would contain the word Republic before they declared but it raises suspicion.

Originally Posted by Bulldogger

Originally Posted by jamesw62

Originally Posted by Bulldogger

Another little problem, Kenya did not declare for Republic until December of 1964. That is about 10 month's after the COLB was created.

at the time, Kenya was a colony of the United Kingdom.

Correct, look what it says right below the seal, see the problem with the time line? Now it is possible that documents would contain the word Republic before they declared but it raises suspicion.

yeah i see that now. could it be that in 61 it was on its way to be a republic and the UK granted its colonies the okay to put that on official papers knowing it would become and independant country

Originally Posted by jamesw62

Originally Posted by Bulldogger

Originally Posted by jamesw62

Originally Posted by Bulldogger

Another little problem, Kenya did not declare for Republic until December of 1964. That is about 10 month's after the COLB was created.

at the time, Kenya was a colony of the United Kingdom.

Correct, look what it says right below the seal, see the problem with the time line? Now it is possible that documents would contain the word Republic before they declared but it raises suspicion.

yeah i see that now. could it be that in 61 it was on its way to be a republic and the UK granted its colonies the okay to put that on official papers knowing it would become and independant country

It was an independent country in December 1963, the question is: What was it calling itself? I'm seeing some claim that it was Dominion of Kenya until December 1964 when its name was officially made "Republic" but it's best if pre-Internet sources are relied upon for a verifiable history since the paranoia about "scrubbing" and "revisionistic history" is at a fever pitch.

Wiki claims that it went by Dominion of Kenya during a provisional year after independence, and then by "Republic"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_he ... 93_1964.29

CIA Fact Book says this:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... os/ke.html

Constitution:
12 December 1963; amended as a republic 1964; reissued with amendments 1979, 1982, 1986, 1988, 1991, 1992, 1997, 2001; note - a new draft constitution was defeated by popular referendum in 2005

The date of February 1964 as the issuance date of this "abstracted birth record" is intriguing since Dunham's lawyer George L. T. Kerr would have been working on the uncontested Obama divorce between January and March 1964. That creates the plausibility factor which both real documents and "good fakes" alike share. Seems reasonable that a proof was needed relating to the minor child whose custody would be decided as part of a divorce order. Status of Kenya in 1964 when this alleged abstract was issued, and not the status in 1961 when Obama was born, is what would show up on the face of it. But a firm opinion about authenticity based solely on a photo image off the Internet is nonsense -- let document experts have their day in the sun, or let some brave judge compel production of the original records.

Makes no sense for people decrying the gullibility of Obots for believing the FactCheck images to be THE TRUTH about THE ONE to then turn around and show just as much gullibility about some other photo image.