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    Both parties know that should anyone, including Obama, attempt to seriously infringe on our 2nd amendment rights that it would spark an outcry that would destroy the democratic party. Rest easy knowing that the U.S. military will NEVER turn on the citizens of this country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasBorn View Post
    Both parties know that should anyone, including Obama, attempt to seriously infringe on our 2nd amendment rights that it would spark an outcry that would destroy the democratic party. Rest easy knowing that the U.S. military will NEVER turn on the citizens of this country.
    I hope you are right, and for the most part I believe you are. Most military men and women are loyal, trustworthy Americans who would never intentionally bring harm to America or her citizens. But aren't we signing illegal aliens into military service in addition to 'new' citizens from foreign countries? And let's not forget the Nidal Hassan types who are members of the US military.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasBorn View Post
    Both parties know that should anyone, including Obama, attempt to seriously infringe on our 2nd amendment rights that it would spark an outcry that would destroy the democratic party. Rest easy knowing that the U.S. military will NEVER turn on the citizens of this country.
    Never say never TB. I believe some would in a new york minute, some would out of fear and only a few would stand up against orders
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amendment XII
    But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
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    Marco Rubio now has the online poll lead as favorite by 53% to Condi's 38%
    Unfortunately, HAPPY2BME, Sen. Rubio is constitutionally
    ineligible for the Presidency or the Vice-Presidency, not being
    a natural born Citizen,
    "one born in the country
    of parents who are citizens,"
    as interpreted by the U.S. Supreme Court in Minor v. Happersett (1875).

    Of course, we could just continue ignoring the Constitution as inconvenient...
    One man's terrorist is another man's undocumented worker.

    Unless we enforce laws against illegal aliens today,
    tomorrow WE may wake up as illegals.

    The last word: illegal aliens are ILLEGAL!

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    See the Man Who Challenges Obama’s Family Story – Joel Gilbert Rips Silent Media at National Press Club







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    A filmmaker whose full-length documentary, “Dreams from My Real Father,” presents a compelling case that Communist Party USA propagandist Frank Marshall Davis is Barack Obama’s biological father, is challenging the U.S. media to begin reporting the truth about the likely Democrat nominee for president in 2012.

    Joel Gilbert, whose website details his research, appeared recently at the National Press Club in Washington to talk about the questions raised in his film.

    “What strikes me as most disturbing is that any one of the hundreds of American journalists in this building could win the Pulitzer Prize just by writing about the evidence presented in ‘Dreams from My Real Father,’” he said.

    A journalist, after all, is supposed to report the news, truthfully and fairly, he argues.

    He cited the National Press Club bronze that lists the “Journalist’s Creed,” as written by Walter Williams when he founded the Missouri School of Journalism more than a century ago.

    It states: “That journalists must be public trustees with the full measure of responsibility to the public. That accuracy and fairness are fundamental to good journalism. That a single standard of truth must prevail for all.”

    Pointedly, he noted the credo states “that suppression of the news is indefensible.”

    continue at WND:

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    See the Man Who Challenges Obama's Family Story - Joel Gilbert Rips Silent Media at National Press Club | Obama

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    Obama Caught on Hot Mic Admitting Election Fraud by TPTB
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    Quote Originally Posted by cayla99 View Post
    Never say never TB. I believe some would in a new york minute, some would out of fear and only a few would stand up against orders
    Cayla, if our military consisted of conscripts, I might be inclined to agree. But our military is volunteer and it's members are our brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, aunts and uncles. I have been closely connected to the military for many years and am confident that they would storm Washington before the turned on their families and friends.
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    Revoking Amendment II is key to subjecting the U.S. to global governance.


    Can we say this again until it sinks in!!!!

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    Just for kicks here's an article from the other side of this debate:
    What drives the Obama doubters and haters?

    By David Maraniss, Published: July 27

    There are Obama doubters and haters out there who claim with righteous anger that they are “vetting” the president, something they say the mainstream media never did. Some of them have said that my new biography — unwittingly, they argue, for I am too dumb to understand what my research has unearthed — proves that Barack Obama’s defining memoir is phony and that his entire life is a fraud. My intent is not to defend Obama or his book; he can take care of himself, and I have my own questions about “Dreams From My Father,” which I make clear in my book. But when comparing the liberties Obama took with composite characters and compressed chronology — which he acknowledged in the introduction to his memoir — to the stretches his most virulent detractors have taken in building their various conspiracies, I believe that they are the frauds and fabricators.

    Not all of them are “birthers,” but the notion that the president was not born in the United States remains at the epicenter of the anti-Obama mythology. Here is the conspiracy that would have had to exist if Barack Hussein Obama II were not born in Honolulu, Hawaii, on Aug. 4, 1961:

    First, the local newspapers would have had to have been in on the scheme, because they ran notices of his birth among all the other local births that week. Second, the Immigration and Naturalization Service would have had to have been covering something up, because INS officials were closely tracking Barack Obama Sr. when he was at the University of Hawaii on a student visa from Kenya. They thought that he was a bigamist — which he was, having married a woman in Kenya before coming to the States — and a womanizer, which he also was. INS documents in the weeks and months before and after the son’s birth clearly establish the father’s whereabouts and the birth of his son. Finally, the name of Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann, was unusual enough that doctors and nurses in Honolulu remembered it and her giving birth. One prominent doctor was asked by a young journalist if anything interesting had happened in the medical world that week, and he responded, “Well, Stanley had a baby!”

    In tandem with the birther notion comes the idea that Obama is a secret Muslim. His Kenyan grandfather, Hussein Onyango, was Muslim; his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was Muslim; as a boy he was instructed in Islam at a school in Jakarta; and many of his college friends were Muslim. None of this adds up to Obama being Muslim, except in the minds of conspiratorialists. Obama never met his Kenyan grandfather. After infancy, he spent time with his Kenyan father only once, and in any case Barack Obama Sr. was an atheist. The truth is that Muslims had nothing to do with the rise of the Obamas of Kenya and that conservative evangelical Christians were essential every step of the way.

    It was proselytizing Seventh-day Adventists who first came to the Obamas’ villages out near Lake Victoria at the start of the 20th century. They taught English and Western ways to the first wave of young boys from the Luo tribe, including Hussein Onyango. His son, the president’s father, was also educated at a missionary school. Later, as a young adult, Barack Obama Sr. was mentored by a remarkable evangelical Christian, Betty Mooney, whose grandfather was one of the founders of Texas Christian University. Mooney, who went to Kenya in the late 1950s to spread the gospel and literacy, met Obama Sr. in Nairobi and hired him to translate some of her literacy books into the Luo tribal language. She encouraged and helped sponsor his coming to the United States and specifically to the University of Hawaii, where he met Stanley Ann Dunham. One can say that President Obama would not exist except for evangelical Christians.

    While living in Jakarta from ages 6 through 9, young Obama temporarily took the last name of his stepfather, Soetoro, for school purposes. He was listed as a Muslim on school documents because students were listed in the religion of their fathers. Lolo was not particularly religious; Stanley Ann was spiritual but not part of any formal religion. For most of his three-plus years in Indonesia, Obama attended a Catholic grade school. When his family moved to a better neighborhood in his final year, he went to the local grade school, one of the best in the city. The central doctrine taught at S.D. Besuki was not Islam but Pancasila, or five principles, of modern Indonesia, which evoked the unity of the islands on the vast archipelago, social justice and a belief in one God. Conservative Muslims detested Pancasila (a Sanskrit word revealing Indonesia’s Hindu heritage), insisting that it was too liberal and open to too many religions and interpretations.

    In both the issues of Obama’s birth and of his religion, documents and common sense lead in one direction. Obama’s doubters run the other way: His birth certificates must be fake; his espoused Christianity must be a cover. Another group of right-wing doubters hold on to the notion that Obama is a closet socialist, some sort of Manchurian candidate, an idea that his every move as a pragmatic liberal politician over the past 16 years has utterly disproved. Some others maintain that he was not smart enough to get into Occidental, Columbia and Harvard Law, and too inept to write his own memoir, which one particularly obsessed conspiratorialist claims was penned by the former radical Bill Ayers. What about the well-written letters from Obama that are published in my book? Those, too, must be frauds slipped to me by the Obama administration.

    In the introduction to my book, I took note of a sick political culture where “facts are so easily twisted for political purposes and where strange armies of ideological pseudo-historians roam the biographical fields in search of stray ammunition.” That sentence is now cited on right-wing Web sites as evidence that I hold them in contempt. True enough, one of the few accurate things that I’ve read from them. I do hold some of them in contempt, not because of their politics, nor because of their dislike of Obama. Political debate and disagreement are the lifeblood of American democracy. No, I hold them in contempt for the way they disregard facts and common sense and undermine the role of serious history as they concoct conspiracy theories that portray the president as dangerous, alien and less than American.

    What drives them? Some of it can be attributed to the give-and-take of today’s harsh ideological divide. Some of it can be explained by the way misinformation spreads virally to millions of like-minded people, reinforcing preconceptions. And some of it, I believe, arises out of fears of demographic changes in this country, and out of racism.

    David Maraniss: What drives the Obama doubters and haters? - The Washington Post

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    LEGAL EAGLES SAY ANCHOR BABIES ARE NATURAL BORN CITIZENS TOO


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    Well, with the laundry list of political legal eagles lining up to claim that anchor babies like Marco Rubio are Natural Born Citizens too, one must assume that the RNC intends to place an anchor baby on the ballot with Romney and they are prepared to burn the Constitution to do it. Apparently, they are prepared to lose in November too….

    In the latest RNC effort to redefine Natural Born Citizen, clearing Rubio for the GOP ticket, once respected Tennessee Senator Fred Thompson enters the fray. Thompson wastes no time regurgitating the same lies that have protected Barack Obama from “birthers” concerned with Obama’s real birth place for four years now.

    In a they did it, so can we, attempt to forever eliminate Article II Natural Born Citizen requirements for the offices of President and Vice President, Thompson repeats lies told by Heritage Foundation and left-wing lawyers for the Obama-nation in an overt attempt to silence the truth, that Marco Rubio and Barack Obama are both constitutionally ineligible for office, according to well-known constitutional history.
    These legal eagles seem to have trouble defining anchor baby and Natural Born Citizen, even though the definitions and history are 100% clear on both.

    An “anchor baby” is a child born in the U.S.A. to parents who are not legal U.S. Citizens at the time of the child’s birth. Under the 14th Amendment and subsequent immigration and naturalization laws, the U.S.A. grants that child “naturalized citizen” rights at birth and then that child becomes an “anchor” upon which the foreign parents can apply and usually receive naturalized citizenship as immigrant Americans.

    Contrary to false statements made in Rubio’s bio, his parents did NOT “immigrate” to the United States in 1956. They did not begin their immigration and naturalization process until more than four years after Marco’s birth, more than fifteen years after they took residence in the U.S. Therefore, they could not confer upon Marco that which they did not possess at his birth, U.S. Citizenship.

    While our immigration and naturalization laws currently offer general citizen rights to “anchor babies” like Rubio, born in the U.S. to foreign parents, the 14th Amendment has no bearing at all upon the definition of Natural Born Citizen or the Article II constitutional qualifications for the office of President and Vice President.

    A citizen is either naturalized under the 14th or Natural Born to legal citizen parents, exempt from all immigration and naturalization laws and amendments. It is not possible to be both and Fred Thompson knows it!

    In simple terms, a Natural Born Citizen of the United States is a child who inherits maximum citizenship rights from their citizen parents at birth, including the rights reserved for only Natural Born Citizens, like holding the office of President or Vice President. Obviously, if someone received citizenship via 14th Amendment immigration and naturalization statutes, they cannot possibly be a Natural Born Citizen.

    Now, either legal eagles like Fred Thompson know this and choose to lie, or they don’t know it, in which case they are legal beagles rather than legal eagles. You decide…. But know this….

    Ignorance is quickly solved with information. Ignorance in the face of information is something quite different.

    The outright lies (intentional or unintentional) presented by Fred Thompson and others are as follows…
    1. “First, this is a legal question. Therefore, the test with regard to a question such as this is, “What would the Supreme Court likely hold if the question were presented to it?”


    FALSE – It is not a legal question for judicial usurpers to dictate definition upon their political agendas. It is a Constitutional question. The American people, NOT the Supreme Court, are the final arbiters of what is or is not constitutional. Nobody above a 3rd grade reading level needs a lawyer to explain the true meaning of three simple words, Natural Born Citizen.


    2. “I think that he is a charismatic politician with a bright future. He is also untested on the national stage. I can see arguments for and against him. But I won’t sit back and watch him get caught up in a bunch of foolishness that misleads people about his eligibility to be President.”


    FALSE - Thompson refers to the TRUTH about Natural Born Citizen and Marco Rubio as “foolishness.” He accuses people desperately trying to force the TRUTH out into the open as “misleading people about eligibility,” against anchor babies like Rubio, Jindal, Obama and others. Yet the TRUTH is readily available, obvious and on record. Anchor babies, children born to foreign parents receiving their citizenship via the 14th Amendment, are NOT Natural Born Citizens. To suggest otherwise is beyond foolishness, it is a treasonous lie.


    3. “The answer is the English common law, which formed the basis for our own legal structure, opinions of our Founding Fathers, U.S. court decisions, and the 14th Amendment.”

    FALSE – While it is true that our Judicial System was patterned after British Common Law and British court systems, it is FALSE to state that our Declaration, Constitution, Bill of Rights and system of self-governance were based upon British Common Law. Our Founders placed ALL faith in the people, not government or the courts, which they had seen corrupted from top to bottom in England. They entrusted ALL of our fundamental rights as “Endowed by our Creator” under Natural Law or the Laws of Nature, NOT British Common Law, which they had just separated from in the American Revolution.


    4. FALSE – Thompson goes on to use 14th Amendment “naturalization” cases to define Natural Born Citizen, when in fact, the 14th mentions nothing at all about Natural Born Citizens, clearly a special type of citizen in the minds of our Founders, or Article II requirements for high office. In short, Thompson takes the lawyers only road to redefining Natural Born Citizen as nothing more than 14th Naturalized Citizen, or “anchor babies.” It is an outright lie!

    Keep in mind that “anchor babies” and the 14th Amendment did not exist at the passage of the Constitution. That the Founders had to exclude themselves from the Natural Born Citizen requirement in order to hold office, as none of our Founders were Natural Born Citizens even though most of them had been born on what would later become known as U.S. soil.

    In the long and distinguished list of active destroyers of the Charters of Freedom, lawyers and judges lead that list.

    In a November 1804 letter to Mrs. John Adams, Thomas Jefferson wrote – “But the opinion which gives to the judges the right to decide what laws are constitutional, and what not, not only for themselves in their own sphere of action, but for the legislature and executive also, in their spheres, would make the judiciary a despotic branch.”
    At no time in history has judicial despotism been more visible than it is today and it has been going on since the passage of the Constitution.

    Readers MUST ask themselves several key questions and answer those questions as honestly as possible.
    Is there any chance that Fred Thompson does not know that our Founders borrowed the term Natural Born Citizen from Vattel’s Law of Nations, along with almost everything else they created? Include Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly, Megan Kelly, Glenn Beck, Heritage Foundation, American Thinker, Newsmax, the RNC, the Supreme Court and many others when asking this question?
    Is there any chance that these people don’t know that eight attempts were made by congress to alter or abolish the Natural Born Citizen clause prior to the election of Barack Hussein Obama?
    Is there any chance that these folks don’t know the difference between Natural Law (as-in Endowed by our Creator) and British Common Law (laws based upon the treasonous acts of the judiciary and political shifting sands), or that the latter is the rule of man via judicial despotism and tyranny?
    Is there any chance that these political experts don’t know that 14th Amendment anchor babies are not Natural Born Citizens, or why the Founders chose “only Natural Born Citizens” for the highest offices in our land?
    If you believe that all of these people simply lack all of this knowledge, can you trust these people to protect and defend our inalienable rights as Endowed by our Creator?

    Consider these questions very carefully, do your own homework, and draw your own conclusions. Is it possible that all of these Republicans are ALL wrong? YES! The question is WHY?

    For me, there is NO chance that these intelligent people lack the knowledge that Natural Born Citizen was borrowed from The Law of Nations, based in Natural Law NOT man-made laws, and that “naturalized” citizens are NOT “Natural Born Citizens.” There is no chance that they don’t know why our Founders reserved the highest offices in our land to only Natural Born Citizens, free from any foreign loyalties or entanglements.

    Even the U.S. Senate got it right in a 99-0 Resolution declaring John McCain a Natural Born Citizen as the natural son of American citizen parents, no matter where he was born. Do you still believe these people don’t know? Why are they all lying?

    I was an enthusiastic supporter of Fred Thompson for President in 2008, proving that even I get fooled once in a while.

    Fool me once, shame on you…. But fool me twice, and the buck stops with me!


    Are you willing to be fooled any longer? Or are you ready to protect and defend the Charters of Freedom as they were written and intended?

    Time will soon tell. If Rubio appears on the ticket with Romney, it will signal that there is nobody left in politics that cares at all about the Constitution. Voters will face a choice between two unconstitutional tickets from the RNC and DNC in November, or a 3rd party protest vote that will re-elect Barack Obama for certain.

    Where is Ron “Mr. Constitution” Paul or his son Rand, both of whom have been entirely MIA on this matter? People willing to let Article II fall, will let all of it fall as long as it doesn’t interfere with their personal agenda.
    How much longer are you willing to be deceived? Do you feel better being deceived by your friends rather than your known enemies? Are you really willing to give up your Constitutional Republic without so much as a whimper?
    If anything in our Founding documents is worth fighting for, everything in those documents is worth fighting for. Lose Article II and you will lose The Charters of Freedom altogether. We are playing for all the marbles now. Don’t even blink….

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