The deal with Abercrombie is strange. Talk about a walking contradiction! What's the man up to or is he just plain incompetent? Does he have foot in mouth disease?
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The deal with Abercrombie is strange. Talk about a walking contradiction! What's the man up to or is he just plain incompetent? Does he have foot in mouth disease?
Black History Month may not start until next week.
But it's loooong past time for Mr. Obama to be judged, not on the color of his skin, but on the content of his character...
and not on the color of his counterfeit COLB, but on the content of his true birth record.
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Originally Posted by At forums.hannity.com, Sinclair-Obama
Lest someone miss this important document, post it... print it... display it... pray it to God. Any judge who
dismisses this appeal needs to be tarred and feathered, hanged from the yard arm, and shot at sunrise;
impeachment would be just a slap on the wrist for being an accessory to sedition (or perhaps treason).
[quote="Pamela Barnett"][size=117]Pamela Barnett
2541 Warrego Way
Sacramento, CA 95826
(415)846.7170
January 19, 2010
Chairman, Appeals Review Panel,
c/o Information and Privacy Coordinator/Appeals Officer,
U.S. Department of State, A/GIS/IPS/PP, SA-2
Washington, DC 20522-8100
RE: Case No.: 200900535 - Consular and Passport Records for Stanley
Ann Dunham (aka Obama) for the years 1959-1962
Mr. Chairman,
This is an urgent appeal of national importance in response to the Department of State’s
correspondence to me dated Dec. 10, 2010, from Alex Galovich.
I being duly sworn depose and say under penalty of perjury the following from
Sacramento County, California. I am a U.S. citizen over 18 years of age, and I am a
retired military officer with over 14 years experience working with federal government
policies and procedures. In the event of my untimely death or mental incapacity,
I transfer all legal rights associated with this FOIA request to Christopher Strunk
of Brooklyn, NY, who has an active lawsuit against the DOS to obtain Stanley Ann
Dunham’s passport records. My summarized, updated, more detailed demand for
records appears at the end of this appeal request. This appeal letter will be publicized.
To be legally eligible to be President of the United States, both parents must be U.S.
citizen[s] and the child must be born on U.S. soil, according to past Supreme Court rulings
as well as U.S. historic definition. The DOS has not made a reasonable effort to locate
records requested after two long years of obstructing the release of records that would
help prove whether or not Barack Hussein Obama ( aka Soebarkah, according to
his mother’s passport records ) (Exhibit 1) was born in Hawaii in 1961 as he states, and
also prove who his biological father is and what his citizenship was. The DOS has NOT
made a good faith effort to locate records to fulfill my FOIA request, and I fear unknown
agents with access to DOS records have engaged in selective document destruction of
documents that would have satisfied my request and helped confirm whether or not
Obama was born in the United States and who his father was on his official birth and
passport documents.
I urge you to order U.S. Marshals to immediately secure all of the remaining paper
passport and consular documents, microfilms, and indexes regarding records for
Stanley Ann Dunham (aka Obama, further on to be referenced as SAD) before they
disappear as well. The processing of my original FOIA request is not complete, as my
request for SAD’s consular and passport records was not addressed at all by the DOS.
Copied from my FOIA online request:
“I request all United States Passport and all consular records for Stanley Ann Dunham
aka Stanley Ann Obama aka Ann Dunham aka Ann Obama for the years of 1959, 1960,
1961, 1962. Stanley Ann Dunham (Name variation could be Anna), who was born in
Wichita, Kansas, on November 29th, 1942.â€
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Originally Posted by [url=http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=255641
its catching fire now, mainstream media has to deal with it and its funny how no matter what they want to do they have to! They will try and spin it no matter what but big O is going to have to have a real good fake IE altering someone else es cert from the time or come clean. That means TREASON folks not good for anyone involved in "overlooking" the obvious. And even if the birth cert is released it will raise more question on other hidden docs!! Why hide something....if you have nothing to hide!
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Originally Posted by 93camaro
93camaro, what examples have you noticed of this?
People who once avoided the subject now are speaking to me first about the latest they have heard, such as the latest word from Rush Limbaugh.
It really is unfortunate that so many conservative people only know what they hear from Rush, Glenn Beck, and Sean Hannity. But we have to deal with it, so we have address books and distribution lists. I've only had a couple of people cut me off.
Hawaii Bill Would Charge $100 for Obama Birth Info
Thursday, 27 Jan 2011 07:57 PM
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HONOLULU (AP) — Hawaii's government would charge $100 for a copy of President Barack Obama's birth records under a bill introduced in the state Legislature by five Democrats. The bill would change a privacy law barring the release of birth records unless the requester is someone with a tangible interest, such as a close family member or a court.
The measure hasn't been scheduled for a public hearing, a required step before it can move forward. A decision on considering the bill will be made by the House's Democratic leadership and committee chairmen.
The idea behind the measure is to end skepticism over Obama's birthplace while raising a little money for a government with a projected budget deficit exceeding $800 million over the next two years.
"If it passes, it will calm the birthers down," said the bill's primary sponsor, Rep. Rida Cabanilla. "All these people are still doubting it because they don't want the birth certificate from Obama. They want it from our state office."
So-called "birthers" claim there's no proof Obama was born in the United States, and he is therefore ineligible to be president. Many of the skeptics question whether he was actually born in Kenya, his father's home country.
The Obama campaign issued a certification of live birth in 2008, an official document from the state showing the president's Aug. 4, 1961, birth date, his birth city and name, and his parents' names and races.
Hawaii's former health director also has said she verified Obama's original records. And notices were published in two local newspapers within days of his birth at a Honolulu hospital.
Gov. Neil Abercrombie, who was a friend of Obama's parents and knew him as a child, said last month he wanted to release more of the state's birth information about Obama. But he ended the effort last week when the state attorney general told him that privacy laws bar disclosure of an individual's birth documentation without the person's consent.
The new legislation to release records may run into similar legal problems because of Hawaii's strong constitutional privacy protections, said Rep. John Mizuno, a co-sponsor of the bill.
"If people really want to confirm Barack Obama is born in Hawaii, that's fine," Mizuno said. "I don't have a problem with looking at innovative ways to bring revenue to the state. The taxpayers deserve a break."
The $100 fee would help offset the extra work by state employees who handle frequent phone calls and e-mails from people who believe Obama was born elsewhere, Cabanilla said.
But the number of birther requests has been declining from the 10 to 20 weekly inquiries received early last year, according to the Department of Health.
"Requests have decreased significantly over the years. Currently we receive anywhere from zero to five per week," said department spokeswoman Janice Okubo.
The Health Department is still reviewing the bill, Okubo said.
House Health Committee Chairman Ryan Yamane didn't immediately return messages seeking comment on whether he would hold a hearing on the bill.
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HB1116, http://capitol.hawaii.gov/
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Kind of funny I must say...pay $100 and get nothing?? This is a complete ruse.Quote:
Originally Posted by florgal
I'd probably pay the $100 just to get the fake they provide, then give the info to the mexican coyotes and the illegal crowd so we get 1.4 million Obama's next year hehe. See what he thinks about having his identity misused and abused. Send it to China and Nigeria where those crowds know how to use that info online to rack up tons of debt internationally.
White House insider warns of dire consequences from eligibility issue
Author: Anthony Martin
Date: January 27th, 2011 12:54 pm ET
http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in ... lity-issue
Evidence is growing that the White House is so sensitive about stories in the media concerning the issue of Presidential eligibility that reporters have been warned of dire consequences if they merely ask questions about the subject.
A White House insider has reported that the subject is so highly sensitive that reporters must 'tread softly' and 'be very careful' if they dare delve into Obama's background.
There is also information that suggests mainstream media sources now have all of the facts about the issue but intend to go on the offensive in protecting Obama at all costs. In the insider's own words,
"Can’t respond much at this time. Too busy with all of the chaos coming at us these days. May be out of work soon! Crazy stuff. Simply urge you to lay off the birther angle at this time. Strongly urge. To proceed is at your own peril. Please take warning seriously. This is not a small town cop shop situation here. Let someone else try and make name on this one. "
"Don’t blame you as it was me who brought up subject last time. Since then heard repeated rumors/confirmations of attempted “purgeâ€
Thank you for that article by Anthony Martin, HighlanderJuan. We owe William BIG TIME for protecting us from Obot lawyers/thugs.
I can't view it, but this is the N.Y. State court ruling on Strunk v. Patterson [Governor of New York]. I'm searching for the text of the Jan. 11, 2011, ruling by the N.Y. State court on the appeal, not the original case dismissed on Nov. 17, 2008.
This from a liberal blog:
The Constitutional Case for the Impeachment of Barack Obama
By: Quasit
Date: Tuesday January 25, 2011 8:36 pm
http://my.firedoglake.com/quasit/2011/0 ... ack-obama/
“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.â€
Posted at http://www.citizens4freedom.com/Article ... #Comment58
MinutemanCDC_SC
Sunday, January 30, 2011 2:31 AM
Thank you, Citizens4Freedom. You are spot on with Part 1. Actually, Mr. Obama has spent more than $2 million to have at least 75 lawsuits and appeals dismissed. But since Jan. 20, 2009, he has been spending taxpayer money, not his campaign funds. He reported to the FEC paying his primary law firm, Perkins Coie, $1.7 million just for Q3 and Q4 of 2008 and Q1 of 2009. That does not include their bills for legal expenses during the past 22 months, although some of that is said to be pro bono. It also does not include legal expenses charged to the taxpayers by the U.S. Attorneys and staff, and by the U.S. Army and other military attorneys and staff.
Part 2 is easily verified as incorrect. Fulbright scholarships are indeed awarded to foreign students studying in the U.S., but NOT to undergraduate students. The "Soetoro" listed in California records of scholarship beneficiaries was not named "Barry". I was unaware that "Americans for Freedom of Information" was still circulating this misinformation, and they probably aren't. But feathers released from a pillow and carried by the wind are almost impossible to get back into the bag.
A similar misunderstanding is that he could not have traveled to Pakistan in 1981 on a U.S. passport, so he must have used a Kenyan or an Indonesian one. This is also incorrect. The U.S. Dept. of State discouraged travel to Pakistan on U.S. passports, but it was still legal and possible and done. A U.S. passport bearer visiting Pashtun country in NW Pakistan might very well never return, but it was possible for him to go.
What was NOT possible in 1981 was to travel from Karachi in Pakistan to Islamabad in India without originating the round trip in India and obtaining an Indian visa before entering Pakistan. Bill Burton, then Mr. Obama's press secretary, misspoke that Barack Obama II traveled to Karachi and from there to Islamabad, India. That was impossible in 1981. Actually, he traveled to Karachi and from there to Islamabad, Pakistan, a trip of about 50 miles. Pakistanis, who well know the difference between Islamabad, Pakistan, and Islamabad, India, were no doubt suitably unimpressed by Mr. Burton's knowledge of Pakistan.
"A natural born Citizen is a citizen born in the country of parents who are citizens [at the time of the birth]."
This definition from Emerich de Vattel's The Law of Nations was:Mr. Obama, on the other hand, was not only born in Kenya, but his mother was not yet 19, the age required in 1961 to confer her U.S. citizenship to her newborn child. His father (of record) was a Kenyan, a British Protected Subject, which status passed to all of his offspring. How could a newborn Barack Obama II, whose birth status was governed by British law, be a natural born Citizen of the United States? He was not even a U.S. citizen at birth. UNLESS he has been NATURALIZED (which would exclude him from being a natural born Citizen), HE IS NOT NOW, NOR HAS HE EVER BEEN, A U.S. CITIZEN!!!
- the norm in Western Civilization dating back to Plato and Herodotus;
used in correspondence among the Framers of the Constitution;
quoted nearly verbatim in the U.S. Supreme Court cases The Venus, Shanks v. DuPont, Minor v. Happersett, Wong Kim Ark, and Perkins v. Elg, and never contradicted in any U.S. Supreme Court case;
quoted by authors of Amendment XIV, U.S. Rep. John A. Bingham and U.S. Sen. Jacob Howard;
and characteristic of every duly-elected President born since the ratification of the Constitution in 1787... except Chester A. Arthur, who even burned his Presidential papers to hide his father's Canadian citizenship, which status was only discovered in 2008 by Atty. Leo Donofrio's researchers.
HE'S A BRIT; HE'S NOT LEGIT!
http://tinyurl.com/mapuzzo
https://www.alipac.us/ftopic-137238-.html
http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1216821
http://theconservativemonster.com/2010/ ... trial.aspx
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/
[quote=MinutemanCDC_SC]From what I understand there are other states proposing similar legislation.[/quote:fzb4whgz]Quote:
Originally Posted by At forums.hannity.com, ksdb":fzb4whgz][size=7]And now a list that will be most inconvenient to faithers ... 41 legislators in Arizona
who want to see a real birth certificate and not a jpg that is ignorantly presumed to be real.[/size]
[quote="Tucson Weekly":fzb4whgz][size=7] [url="http://www.tucsonweekly.com/TheRange/archives/2011/01/29/the-41-arizona-legislators-who-still-want-to-see-obamas-birth-certificate
After 2½ years for many of us, going on 4 years for Atty. Philip Berg, and 6½ years for Ambassador Dr. Alan Keyes, the immigration and eligibility flagship state of Arizona proposes HB 2544, an eligibility certification bill. But HB 2544 doesn't require citizen parents or true proof of natural born Citizenship... just a birth certificate, a sworn loyalty oath, and sworn testimony of fourteen years of residency. That means we have some writing, faxing, emailing, and calling to do.
State of Arizona Representatives:
Brenda Barton
Judy Burges
Chester Crandell
Jeff Dial
Karen Fann
Eddie Farnsworth
John Fillmore
Doris Goodale
David M. Gowan, Sr.
Rick Gray
Jack W. Harper
Peggy Judd
John Kavanagh
Debbie Lesko
Nancy McLain
Javan "JD" Mesnard
Steve B. Montenegro
Justin Olson
Terri Proud
Carl Seel
David Burnell Smith
David W. Stevens
Steve Urie
Jim Weiers
Kimberly Yee
State of Arizona Senators:
Sylvia Allen
Frank Antenori
Andy Biggs
Scott Bundgaard
Ron Gould
Linda Gray
Gail Griffin
Lori Klein
Al Melvin
Rick Murphy
John Nelson
Russell Pearce
Steve Pierce
Don Shooter
Steve Smith
Steve Yarbrough[/quote:fzb4whgz]
The situation in Egypt just threw a wet blanket over the momentum of the story, they love to find any reason they can to bury the issue. :x
[quote=[url=http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2011/01/obama-world.html]Lame Cherry[/url]]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_3xyJDLYT0B...ama%2Bcolb.jpg
Citizens4Freedom was posting information [about] B. Hussein Obama, and something caught my attention in a remembrance of Gram Obama of Kenya on the day Obama was born there.
The quote:
[/quote:i1zyb3r2]Quote:
Originally Posted by "[url=http://www.citizens4freedom.com/Articles/tabid/1387/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/3502/Birth-Certificate--What-do-you-make-of-this.aspx
[size=117]What is interesting in this are two details. First is the hot day, and the second is the Muslim festival, in Chris Matthews terms. The reason for stating Chris Matthews is his search for Obama’s birth certificate and the need for hard facts. What I digress to is the devil is in the details . . . people who fabricate things from known "Gram in Kenya" stories will make mistakes, outing the story as a lie.
As an exclusive [to] this blog alone, I checked the two details out.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_3xyJDLYT0B...ust%2B1961.jpg
Temperatures in Celsius and winds in kilometers per hour
The first was the hot day. It was [27.8°C or 82°F] on August 4th, 1961. While that would not be considered hot, I checked the humidity and that was 83% in Mombasa with a 9 miles per hour breeze or basically it was calm. Kenya on the day B. Hussein Obama was born [would have been tropically] hot in the shade and quite uncomfortable in the sun.
The heat index in matching temperature to humidity would make it feel like 90 degrees Fahrenheit.
If one adds a baby Obama, placenta, fluid retention, Stan Ann would have experienced extreme discomfort as the child would have been radiating more heat from within.
Logic fits then that a woman so pressed would do anything like a cow on a hot day and run for the water for some relief, which would be a swim in the ocean, which women are counseled against, as even a bath will induce labor.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3xyJDLYT0B...ust%2B1961.jpg
In point two, I did check and August 4th, 1961 was a Friday, which means it was indeed a Muslim religious day or their Sunday or Jewish Saturday.
So on the two points which would sink or [float] this account, the hard facts of the date match the story exactly. All lies and liars are lazy. They would not without an intelligence background go into details of second and third level knowledge of weather conditions or people’s names, as that is where lies become uncovered.
For the record on the points which would prove the story of Obama being born in Mombasa, Kenya, the facts at this point prove the story as woven in.
As a talking point, the 4 days mentioned would fit in a mother being discharged, would fit with a friend in the time window stating she saw Stan Ann in August of 1961 with a new baby, and fits with the current Neil Abercrombie “recorded birthâ€
The footprints actually look suspcious. They would suggest more then the standard infant toe curls and someone who's actually used there feet to some extent such as a young infant in a walker possibly.
But yah I'd laugh my butt off if it came out with a legit Kenyan birth certificate.
[quote="[url=http://mail.conservativecontacts.com/hostedemail/email.htm?h=8d161663f1469c95119032c037f9e85c&CID=7 924284029&ch=42BAE360C425ED93EBCBA6B2332B88AA]Dr. Alan Keyes[/url]"]Defiant Obama Ends US Rule of Law[size=117]
OBAMA ADMINISTRATION REFUSES TO OBEY FEDERAL COURT ORDER.
FEDERAL JUDGE RULES OBAMACARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL
ORDERS IMPLEMENTATION TO STOP IMMEDIATELY;
OBAMA DEFIANT -- CONSTITUTION DEAD
Just in time for Reagan’s 100th birthday, a Federal judge, (appointed by the Gipper himself), has ruled ObamaCare unconstitutional. Unlike previous judges, Judge Roger Vinson ruled that the entire ObamaCare law must be thrown out and IMPLEMENTATION HALTED IMMEDIATELY because the mandate requiring Americans to buy health insurance is unconstitutional and unseverable from the rest of the legislation. THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION SAYS THEY WILL NOT COMPLY and will continue to implement ObamaCare REGARDLESS of the Federal courts! A senior Administration official told the Wall Street Journal that the entire plan is still fully operational, nothing has or will stop, and the Department of Health and Human Services will continue to carry out the full ObamaCare plan.
While the Justice Department might file an injunction to petition court permission for Obama to legally continue implementing some of his healthcare scam, no such injunction has been filed. By failing to immediately halt ObamaCare implementation as ordered, this Administration is now actively DEFYING the Federal court system created to check the powers of an Executive branch gone tyrannical. While the Judge’s ruling is in fact a victory, the White House’s defiance represents a very dark day in American history. AMERICA IS IN CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS.
IT IS NOW MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER THAT WE TAKE A STAND.
DEMAND THE SENATE STAND WITH THE JUDICIAL BRANCH AND STOP OBAMA!
DEMAND IMMEDIATE CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS TO UPHOLD THE RULE OF LAW!
The Senate, if it is to uphold its oath of office and do its constitutional duty, MUST immediately CUT OFF ALL OBAMACARE FUNDING AND HOLD HEARINGS ON OBAMA'S REFUSAL TO GOVERN CONSTITUTIONALLY!!
WE MUST BEGIN THE CONSTITUTIONAL PROCESS OF REMOVING OBAMA AND HALTING HIS DESTRUCTION OF OUR REPUBLIC!
The recent Federal court rulings and the successful U.S. House vote to repeal the morally odious, fiscally bankrupting and thoroughly unconstitutional ObamaCare legislation are vital first steps to restoring our nation. But it is only the start of the work we must do if America is to be saved from Socialism! Together, we must now HOLD the Congress accountable for substantive effects of this vote, begin in earnest to drive REPEAL in the SENATE (which IS achievable), and ensure that under NO circumstances, is ObamaCare FUNDED in any way, shape or form by legislation advanced through either the House or the Senate!
DEMAND THE SENATE STAND WITH THE JUDICIAL BRANCH AND STOP OBAMA!
DEMAND IMMEDIATE CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS TO UPHOLD THE RULE OF LAW!
Now GOP budget hawks are proposing a bill that would gut federal spending by $125 billion this year alone and by $2.5 trillion over the next 10 years. The Republican Study Committee (RSC) has just unveiled the Spending Reduction Act featuring these massive and essential specific spending cuts:
Overall spending CUT to 2008 levels, with discretionary spending CUT to 2006 levels.
Unspent “stimulusâ€
Proud North Dakotan Asks State Reps to Take On Eligibility Issue
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CONSTITUENT EDUCATES STATE DELEGATION ON THE MEANING OF “NATURAL BORN CITIZENâ€
[quote="kathyet"]Proud North Dakotan Asks State Reps to Take On Eligibility Issue
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Originally Posted by [url=http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=41213
Mr. Moreira, have you ever heard of speaking the truth without twisting it to mean something else... or a lie?
Taqiyya, or lying to benefit Is|am, would apply to those who claim that Barack Obama II was NOT born in Kenya, to avoid disqualifying for office the best dhimmi (subjected infidel) in the White House that Is|am has ever had.
33 million Ugandans and 40 million Kenyans, including Peter Ogego, Kenya's Ambassador to the U.S., and Members of Kenya's Parliament, have almost unanimously acclaimed Barack Obama II as the "Kenyan-born" U.S. President. I say "almost", A.M., to prevent your anticipated counter with names of some individuals in Kenya who carry water for the impostor and cover for the usurpation.
For example, the Odinga side of the government. Mr. Obama's cousin Raila Odinga has had Mama Sarah Onyango Obama under armed guard 24/7, off limits to western reporters, ever since she said (in Swahili), repeating it to eliminate any misunderstanding, that her step-grandson, Barack Obama II, was born in Mombasa, Kenya. She also said (in Swahili), "Barack ñate dhalani," that is, "Barack born of village," referring to her step-grandson - not Barrack Snr. - and her home village of Kogelo, near Kisumu. Speaking to Labor & Delivery caregivers and others at a UN conference on orphans, when she had never been outside Kenya, Mama Sarah said, "Even the U.S. President passed through my hands."
Similarly in Honolulu, reporters and investigators were not allowed to speak to Barack Obama II's maternal grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, to the day of her death... the day before the 2008 elections.
When it comes to their grands, grandmothers (almost) never lie. Politicians do.
Human Events may be jumping off the "don't ask, don't tell, don't hear, don't look, don't sniff around" bandwagon concerning Mr. Obama's Constitutional ineligibility for the Office of President, not being a natural born Citizen, i.e., a citizen born in the country of citizen parents. Human Events calls for a Congressional subpoena to get the truth and the facts.
[quote="[url=http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=41213]Breaking news silence in this Jan. 16th article, [i]Human Events[/i][/url]"][size=117]Top 10 Obama Administration Investigation Targets
by Human Events
01/16/2011
Rep. Darrell Issa (R.-Calif.), the new chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, has signaled he will conduct numerous oversight investigations of the Obama Administration. Here are the Top 10 areas ripe for investigation for Issa and other congressional Republicans:
(1) ObamaCare: Any measure that restructures one-sixth of the U.S. economy bears scrutiny particularly when passage of the bill required legislative bribes such as the Louisiana Purchase and Cornhusker Kickback. To paraphrase Nancy Pelosi, now that ObamaCare has passed, let’s see exactly what is in it — and how it got there.
(2) Stimulus: The American people deserve to know what they got for the $787 billion stimulus package that Obama signed in February 2009, including how much money was spent frivolously to publicize the legislation. And where exactly are all those jobs that the administration claims were “created or saved?â€
While it may all be well and true the question is when and IF any real investigation will be done. Even the Republicans know this issue is a very sensitive issue with many harsh reprecussions.
1. Finding him invalid for POTUS means every single bill he passed and action he's done is null and void.
2. It will warrant major investigations of all head leadership in the Dem Party and even the Republican party to a lesser extent.
3. It also will bring about protests from significant minority crowds that will scream racist propaganda further alienating many minorities who would rather believe the racism against a *black* president.
Bringing charges forth must be done with complete certainty beforehand to get any Republican political major support because if it falls through and is somehow evaded the quick spin is of course a racism against a black presient which will probably float with the minorities.
Still I think this agenda needs to be moved to a #1 priority. Its a way to get our entire agenda done by 2013 elections when he's removed as we can also remove at least 20 key democrats between the house, senate, and some of the major democrat political names.
Reform, given the serious potential repurcussions, I think the Repubs. would rather just see him go away quietly. The bills he's signed are an altogether different matter though. Could be very interesting times ahead that's for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReformUSA2012
"Avert revolt at any price, even destroying the nation," is the logic of those who see We the People, Lex Rex, the Constitution, and a republican form of government as just a charade which alleviates the bitter yoke of serfdom under brute force, raw power, establishment authority, amassed wealth, and inherited divine right.Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasBorn
Once one recognizes the component parts of democracy and freedom as nothing more than the tools of implementing control and the velvet glove covering the iron fist, protecting the sacredness of the elements that together constitute the framework of liberty ceases to be all that important. What is important is to maintain order and postpone revolt, avoid abrupt quality of life corrections by means of incrementalism, and not allow anyone to rock the boat. In the meantime, the wheels keep on turning and the money keeps on coming in...
But patriots, dissenters, and diehards who cling to their guns, their Bibles, and relics documenting a form of government from centuries gone by, are either unable or reluctant to progress into a future which may be darker for them than for others. Such retrograde conduct necessitates that they be marginalized and isolated, starved out and their assets redistributed, imprisoned for perceived offenses, interned as a class of people who are enemies of the state or of progress, deported and banished to foreign colonies, or as a last resort, liquidated and purged.
Quote:
"Having seen the future, we have determined to detour around it on the way to a better destination."
Quote:
Originally Posted by At forums.hannity.com, Roberts_the_man
Roberts_the_man, I agree, but the wording is not precise, and a bit of fine print in H.R.S. § 338 has not been mentioned here.
We say that the HI DOH cannot release birth documents without authorization by the subject or by certain of his relatives. More precisely, the HI DOH cannot release birth documents without authorization by the subject, unless according to rules passed by the Dept. of Health, for reasons specified by the DOH.
DOH Director Dr. Fukino or HI DOH administrator(s) could (and indeed, should) pass or create a rule to publish, for reasons of national security and unity, an official, howsoever redacted, signed and sealed certified copy of Barack Obama II's original birth document(s) from the HI DOH vault. In other words, the authorities at HI DOH are empowered to override the subject's expressed will, in order to fulfill some need or purpose greater than the subject's privacy. The fact that they haven't and they don't doesn't imply that they couldn't and they can't. It indicates rather that they are stalling or stonewalling in order to hide something.
Please remember this... On Jan. 21st 2009, Barrack Obama (Barry Soetoro signed Executive Order 13489, which in return SEALED ALL PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS. Maybe on Jan. 19th a Judge could have released his Birth Cert., BUT, a Day Late, a Dollar Short.
It could still be voided easily and fixed but no court has the balls to.
I believe you are right. And maybe for a reason similiar to that like they found that Colnel in the landfill over the holidays. Or if you remember some of the strange deaths while Clinton was in office (just sayin).Quote:
Originally Posted by ReformUSA2012
There is A LOT OF MONEY AND POWER in Washington and if you get in their way it could be very hazardous.
Same with these pharmaceutical companies or oil companies
PatriotofPast, we have discussed the distinction between "Presidential records" and "personal records." Even if Mr. Obama blurs that distinction, his claim of executive privilege applies only to official business conducted while in office, and not to personal information, personal business, or official business conducted after leaving office or before noon on Jan. 21, 2009.Quote:
Originally Posted by PatriotofPast
Of course, there needs to be a judge able and willing to force Mr. Obama to obey the law and play by the rules. So long as Mr. Obama controls the law enforcement sector, the handcuffs are on the judges instead of on the criminal. Only the Joint Chiefs of Staff have the power and authority to require lawful conduct of the outlaw executive to whom most law enforcement reports, and to bring law and order out of this Constitutional chaos.
Although the authority of law may reside in other entities, such as the IRS, Inspectors General, independent Special Prosecutors, citizen Grand Juries, or the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia (which hears eligibility cases for officials in WDC), those entities lack the power of force to stand down a rogue Outlaw-in-Chief who has usurped control of the Dept. of Justice and the U.S. armed forces.
Other entities had the responsibility to protect us from a foreign usurper with loyalties to other than the United States:Those other entities failed. Unless We the People stand as one for the Constitution as the legitimate authority of U.S. government, and against the Kenyan Conman-in-Chief to deny him the illegal authority he has unlawfully seized by intrigue and fraud, who else will or can? The World Court? The Vatican? The UN?
- the Democratic National Convention and the Democratic Convention of each state in their duty to vet the candidates they propose;
the Secretary of State, Governor, and Electors of each of the 50 states;
the U.S. Congress and Pres. of the Senate Dick Cheney in their charge to contest and not confirm ineligible candidates for President and Vice President;
the Marxist-socialist media (MSM) in its 4th Estate role to investigate and expose illegal, unethical, and anti-American actions by agents of the U.S. government;
the church in her responsibility to pray for the nation (Jer. 29:7), for kings and all who are in authority (1 Tim, 6:4), and that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men; for not all have faith (2 Thes. 3:2).
We the People, our lawfully elected representatives in WDC, the U.S. armed forces, the Federal Courts and Agencies, and the rule of law built upon the Constitution - these make up the government of the United States. The U.S. government is NOT just one foreign usurper who has insinuated himself upon the seat of power.
Birther BIll Offered to Nebraska Legislature
Nebraska News Service
February 04, 2011
Nebraska has joined several other states in introducing a "birther" bill, a piece of legislation that would require proof of U.S. citizenship from candidates for the nation's highest political offices.
The 14-page bill, sponsored by District 44 State Sen. Mark Christensen of Holdrege, would prohibit placing presidential and vice presidential candidates on the state's ballot unless they provide a certified, long-form version of their birth certificate to Nebraska's secretary of state.
Christensen's bill would also require candidates to provide their parents' certified long-form birth certificates. If a person's birth father is unknown, Christensen said a candidate would have to file an affidavit with the state, stating that they have no reason to believe their father is not a U.S. citizen.
The Nebraska Vital Records website contains no option to request a long form birth certificate. Christensen said he had not talked to Nebraska Vital Records staff, but modeled the bill's language after what has been used in other states.
Similar legislation has been proposed in other states, including Arizona, Texas and Connecticut.
Christensen said he was motivated to sponsor the bill after receiving two or three e-mails from constituents who are concerned about the persistent rumors that President Barack Obama is not a citizen. During the 2008 presidential election, some of Obama's political opponents contended that he was born outside of the United States and is ineligible to be president.
"Whenever you have a large amount of citizens who have doubts, it hurts our government. It hurts the integrity of the government," Christensen said.
While Christensen said he "absolutely" believes Obama is a United States citizen, he has doubts about the citizenship of Obama's parents at the time of the president's birth.
"This (bill) would remove that doubt," he said. "I think that it hurts Americans when we think we can't trust our leaders."
John Gruhl, a University of Nebraska-Lincoln political science professor who specializes in constitutional law, called Christensen's bill "puzzling."
"Parents don't have to be citizens for their children to be citizens," Gruhl said. "So what's the point of this provision? To embarrass a candidate whose parents aren't citizens? To discourage a candidate from running in the first place, so his parents aren't exposed?"
Currently, Nebraska does not require proof of citizenship for candidates to appear on the presidential and vice presidential ballot, said the Nebraska Secretary of State's office.
Instead, candidates must complete an application with basic information, turn in a petition with 2,000 registered voter signatures and pay a filing fee.
Discussing the bill could make the public more confident in their elected officials, increase voter turnout and make a better nation, Christensen said.
"For me, it's about following the Constitution and bringing trust into the process and getting people to trust the process so we actually maintain being a republic run by the people," Christensen said.
A hearing for Nebraska's bill has not yet been scheduled.
http://nebraska.statepaper.com/vnews/di ... c252a06571
Again, the lines are intentionally being blurred between 'citizen' and 'natural born citizen', the latter being a Constitutional requirement for holding the office of POTUS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mayday
While it still does not verify natural born Citizenship, the Nebraska bill is vastly better than all the others. They merely require one document, the candidate's long form birth certificate. A LFBC verifies place of birth, but not each parent's citizenship at the time of the birth. That requires "additional documentation," although I know of no specific document that would prove a parent's citizenship.
A natural born Citizen is
1) a current citizen
2) born in the country
3) to citizen parents.
A properly phrased requirement would be,
"To be placed on the ballot, a candidate must provide to the state Election Officer:
1) proof of current citizenship;
2) a certified copy of a long form hospital birth certificate or a long form state Certificate of Live Birth, correctly signed and sealed, and filed as valid; and
3) additional documentation verifying each parent's citizenship at the time of this child's birth.
Would need something in place when there is no father on the birth certificate. Hard issue to resolve considering the current use of baby daddies who are out of the picture while abusing it at the same time. Sounds harsh but maybe requiring both parents to be eligible and if only have a mother tough crap.
Some may say its harsh but we could easily say the same thing about the age requirements for public office. After all why can't a 30 year old run for office of president especially with age discrimination laws.
That seems straightforward enough. The biological father and mother exist, whether they are both named on a birth document or not. Depending upon the birth parents, an orphan qualifies, but an adoptee may or may not.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReformUSA2012
A "natural born Citizen" is
1) a citizen by birth (not a naturalized citizen),
2) born in the country
3) to citizen parents, that is, both parents were U.S. citizens at the time of birth.
nbC doesn't require that either parent have a name, an identity, a mutual residence, or anything else in common with the child: only shared DNA and U.S. citizenship.
Yup but just look at how many birth certificates are out there without a father listed. Lots and lots out there.
I don't see any need in Nevada to have on their new law about specifying Natural Citizenship. Its already defined and they just see you don't qualify between the law and the Constitution so write you off and laugh. Don't need to really double specify and this may leave slight room for a lawsuit to define natural born citizen but then that opens up a huge pit against Obama to be dragged in. May be a good idea for the lawsuit hehe.
It should be no surprise that Abercrombie is doing everything he can to increase the visibility of birtherism in the run-up to the 2012 elections
February 06, 2011
Hawaii's Governor Manipulates Birthers
By Andrew Walden
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Hawaii's newly elected "DSA-er Democrat" Governor Neil "I am not a socialist" Abercrombie is the birthers' best friend -- and many commentators in Hawaii and across the nation are becoming increasingly annoyed by his antics.
In two recent interviews, with just a few anti-birthy words in December 24 and January 18 interviews magnified and distorted by the national and international media, Abercrombie has succeeded in raising birtherism from the dead. And both he and President Barack Obama are very pleased with the opportunity to shift political discussion away from the thumping Obama took in the November midterms.
After Abercrombie babbled about birthers to the NY Times and the LA Times on December 24, the reaction was swift and negative:
•Honolulu Star-Advertiser columnist David Shapiro wrote, "Obama birth flap born again after Abercrombie wades in."
•Star-Advertiser reporter BJ Reyes identified "Birthers Reborn" in the "Top Ten Flubs of the Year," pointing out that "[t]he issue of President Barack Obama's birthplace, seemingly close to running its course, is brought to the forefront by newly-elected Gov. Neil Abercrombie."
•Politico: Might Do More Harm Than Good
•USA Today: Talk about friends you don't need
•Huffington Post: Abercrombie on "a fool's errand"
•DBKP: Hawaii Governor Neil Abercrombie Adds Fuel to Obama Birth Certificate Fire
•Hartford Courant: Who's Abercrombie kidding?
•Sta Clarita Signal: "It was a Democrat who dredged up the whole sordid business"
•WaPo: Abercrombie "taking the pole position of political surrealism"
•FOX: Why do Democrats keep talking about the Birth Certificate?
It should be no surprise that Abercrombie is doing everything he can to increase the visibility of birtherism in the run-up to the 2012 elections. A substantial portion of Obama's electoral hopes lies in making his opponents seem even more discredited than he is. In a July 2010 CNN poll, birtherism is fully embraced by a paltry 11% of American voters -- as compared to 19% in a 2002 Fox News poll who entertained the possibility that Elvis is still alive. But like 9-11 truthers, the Ron Paul Campaign, and PUMA, birthers are very active on internet comment boards creating the illusion of numbers. The similarity is not coincidental: Birtherism originated with Hillary Clinton's PUMA supporters, and it has been carried forward by well-known 9-11 truthers.
Wingnuts author John Avalon rarely misses an opportunity to marginalize conservatives, but he was forced to admit last February that "the Birthers began on the left." Avalon traces the original August 21, 2008 Phil Berg birther lawsuit to the efforts of Texas Hillary Clinton supporter Linda Starr, described by Avalon as also being "a key source for CBS' discredited election year investigation into George W. Bush's National Guard records that led to Dan Rather's replacement after 24 years as the evening news anchor."
Berg is a prominent 9-11 truther who sued the Bush administration several times in an effort to prove that al-Qaeda was innocent. Another prominent Birther lawyer, Orly Taitz, is a $1,000 donor to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign committee. Her website has prominently featured the rants of 9-11 truther Devvy Kidd.
After Abercrombie deployed his first set of birther remarks Christmas Eve, Chris "Tingle Legs" Matthews was quick to boost birtherism with his December 27 comment: "Why has the President himself not demanded that they put out the initial documents?" That is to be expected from somebody who has already sacrificed the illusion of objectivity on the altar of Obama's ambitions. But Obama and Abercrombie have also received a lot of help from some who should know better.
In a January 18 Star-Advertiser interview, Abercrombie deployed his second set of birther-related remarks: "It was actually written, I am told. This is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down."
As a reaction, the same-day headline at World Net Daily (WND) distorted Abercrombie's remarks into the headline "Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate." WND has been disorienting Obama's opponents with birtherism since 2008, so that was nothing new. But the next day, the "DSA-er Democrat" Abercrombie struck political paydirt. The UK Daily Mail January 20 yanked this latest birther lie out of its WND echo chamber, writing, "Abercrombie suggested that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist." The WND and Daily Mail articles stayed up on the Drudge Report for days.
HotAir blogger AllahPundit was a key player in the debunking of Linda Starr and Dan Rather's forged George Bush National Guard documents. Three days after Abercrombie's second Star-Advertiser interview, he wrote "Dopey Hawaii governor figures out new way to tease Birthers":
What I think happened here is that this well-meaning doofus, who knew Obama's parents personally and who's indignant at the accusations about his citizenship, spoke up in anger with a vow to put them to rest. Which, entirely predictably to everyone except Abercrombie himself, kick-started a whole new round of excitement and expectations among Birthers, who'll never be satisfied no matter what document is finally presented.
AllahPundit is half-right. Abercrombie may act like a dopey doofus, but it is just an act. He has spent a lifetime in politics manipulating conservatives to unwittingly serve his agenda -- and he's proud of it.
Rush Limbaugh nailed it on his show January 21, pointing out:
This is just toying. He [Obama] knows that the birthers are a bunch of Looney Tune kook right-wingers, and he wants them illustrated as such. So he'll toy with them, sort of like Charlie Brown and Lucy and the football. And the media went along with that, "Oh, that's Obama. He's really politically smart, really crafty here. He's got these birthers looking like the Birchers that they are. He's got 'em looking like the biggest kooks on the face of the earth. ... "
Now, it's still entirely possible all this is a giant head fake. For me, ladies and gentlemen, the sophisticated political figure that I am, it's really hard for me to believe that Neil Abercrombie just one day woke up on his own and without consultation said, "This birth thing bugs me. I'm gonna call a press conference, and I'm gonna tell people I was there when he was born, and I knew his mom and dad, and he was born here and I'm gonna prove it." I said earlier, Abercrombie's no fool. ... it ratchets up and ratchets up and then a couple years down the road, year and a half down the road, guess what, the thing's found, and, oh, can you imagine the air that will be let out of people's sails then?
Now, you have to ask yourself, is this regime capable of that kind of trick? Yeah, they are. Are they capable of having the newly elected governor, a Democrat, replacing a Republican, Neil Abercrombie, start out this whole thing? Are they typical, capable of coming up with a program where Abercrombie embarrasses himself around the world on this and then all of a sudden ... voila, somebody finds the birth certificate right out in the open in some file in Hawaii. With this bunch the point is you just never know. ...
I'll tell you why I think Abercrombie may just be toying around with everybody on this to pull a political trick later on down the line.
The 'toying' continued even as Rush spoke. To keep the story rolling, a self-described Abercrombie friend, celebrity gossip reporter Mike Evans, on January 20 suddenly claimed that Abercrombie had told him that there are no records of Obama's birth. Birthers nationwide bit down hard on the story. Then, just as suddenly, Evans reversed himself and admitted that he made the whole thing up.
AP January 22 reported "Hawaii law bars release of Obama birth info." This old-news, story was falsely re-reported by birther operatives as "Abercrombie abandons quest to find birth certificate because of privacy law." Of course the reason Obama is able to keep his long form under wraps in the first place is because Hawaii has such a restrictive law. It is obtuse to claim that Abercrombie suddenly just discovered this law and therefore "abandoned" his plan to reveal the birth certificate -- and yet birther operatives made precisely that claim.
Two days later, Hawaii State Representative Rida Cabanilla (D-Ewa) -- famous mostly for knowingly employing a convicted child molester as her legislative office manager -- introduced the $100 birther tax in the Hawaii Legislature. This kept the media rolling in the aisles ridiculing Obama's opponents for another day.
The progressives are having almost as much fun with this as they did when a blogger made up a fake Kenyan Birth Certificate, got Orly Taitz to introduce it in court, and then revealed his hoax. Today, anyone with a computer printer can get his very own Kenyan Birth Certificate online. With a click of the mouse, you too can "prove" you were born in Coast General Hospital, Mombasa, Kenya. Even WND has debunked this and other forged "Kenyan Birth Certificates" which still float around the internet.
Summing up the success of progressives' information warfare strategy, Slate's David Weigel wrote "Fun new Birther Conspiracy based upon illiteracy." The progressives know they can get the birthers to do anything they want; they are having a ball, and they are discrediting Obama's opponents in the run-up to 2012.
Is Limbaugh right? Does Abercrombie have the ability to conceive of such a scheme -- or is he just a doofus, as AllahPundit says? The answer can be found in some of Abercrombie's recent comments.
For the most part, Hawaii's Democrat media carefully avoids quoting Abercrombie verbatim. That's because they want to keep a lid on Abercrombie remarks, such as his October 2010 characterization of supporters of his electoral opponent as "Nazis" bent on imposing a Christian theocracy on Hawaii. But sometimes the real Abercrombie slips through. In a verbatim Maui Time interview June 3, 2010, he makes it clear that he believes conservatives are easy to manipulate:
Q--On the subject of distrust of government, what's your take on the Tea Party movement and what impact do you think it'll have on this election cycle?
A--They'll have some [impact], not as much out here. But you can't institutionalize a mood. The Tea Party is a reflection of an atmosphere. It has no object, other than to say, 'We don't like this.' It is kind of a choked reaction to the idea that you've been shoved totally to the sidelines. You have no control over your life. Particularly when you're being propagandized all day long that you get to make choices, always variations on the theme of you as consumer of goods. And when politics takes on the same aspect, when you're just the consumer of whatever's being fed to you by cynical sociopaths who have no other purpose in life than to manipulate and maneuver you into doing what they want you to do, then you have a situation like the one we have now with the Tea Party. They don't like it, but they don't know what to do about it. ... They don't make the connections. [It's] an emotional reaction to being frozen out of participating in life. They feel their tax dollars are not well spent. They feel they're being tapped and tapped hard and often and deep and they're not getting out of it what they think they should. But the political consequence is that it dissipates into the ether. It's like a wave. All waves dissipate into the sand. No matter what kind of kinetic energy is associated with them, they dissipate into the sand.
The interview didn't work out too well. A few days after this it was published, 22 members of the Maui TEA Party crashed an Abercrombie campaign event, gave him a bumper sticker, and ate up all his tofu and sprouts. But for most of his career, Abercrombie has been very successful at manipulating his opponents -- with the help of an eager retinue of Democrat reporters. In his January 2011 State of the State speech, Abercrombie gleefully trumpeted his co-opting of the Vicar General of the Honolulu Catholic Diocese to work in his administration -- even as Abercrombie denounces Christians and imposes gay civil unions, and as Abercrombie's Democrats become the only legislative body in the nation to abolish the traditional invocation which previously opened sessions of the Hawaii State Senate.
Now, with just a few words in December 24 and January 18 interviews, Abercrombie has cynically manipulated the news cycle for several weeks to maneuver Obama's political opponents into doing what he wants them to do.
Andrew Walden edits HawaiiFreePress.com.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/ ... tes_b.html
This Andrew Walden "article" is a hodgepodge of half-truths, misdirections, and blatant lies. LIES... with a few well-known facts thrown in to confuse the simple. It does have some truth in the old admissions of obvious guilt of communists and other enemies of America.
I don't know why American Thinker would publish this kind of street b-ball trash-talk garbage; one would think AT would adhere to truth rather than pass along LIES that have been debunked in this thread from day 1 after the '08 elections. But I see no reason to have this collection of slurs, libels, insults, and propaganda posted in this space. Some Obot might mistakenly think that it is valid political comment by virtue of being posted here.
It's not. It's just flotsam from a usurpation shipwreck washing up on a Honolulu beach. It's what a house built on the sand looks like after the tide changes, exposes its non-existent foundation, and washes it out to sea.
"The biological father and mother exist, whether they are both named on a birth document or not."Quote:
Originally Posted by ReformUSA2012
Forget about birth certificates for a moment. The criterion is the biological father and mother, not a birth document.
For transfer of power in the United States, the burden of proof is upon the claimant. There is no assumption of nbC until proved otherwise; nbC is not assumed until proved by the claimant.
I have been reluctant to quote the above, because the court system is broken. In eligibility cases, the courts are not adjudicating by even the U.S. Constitution, much less by U.S. laws, U.S. Code, and Supreme Court precedents. But whenever due process in eligibility cases shall once again exist (or if due process in eligibility cases should ever again exist), the above legal argument will (or would) be valid for the removing of a fraudulent impostor usurping the Office of President, or any Federal Office.Quote:
Originally Posted by [url=http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1216821&page=3113
The 14th Amendment was ratified on July 9, 1868. Minor v. Happersett was decided in 1875, Wong Kim Ark in 1898, and Perkins v. Elg in 1939. Thereafter, did the recognition or verification of citizenship lie completely within Federal jurisdiction, even though it was originally within the purview of each individual state?
If citizenship was wholly a Federal matter after 1939, and if a grandmother registered her daughter's baby, born abroad in 1961, as born in Honolulu, Hawaii, that would not make the baby "U.S. born" except in the sight of the State of Hawaii. Right?
Would such a falsified registration make the foreign-born baby a U.S. citizen, prima facie, until proven otherwise?