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Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan
Leo's available for and interested in writing a book? Wow!
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UR in the comments section:
http://tinyurl.com/kju2qu
BuckeyeTexan Says:
September 8, 2009 at 10:52 pm
Leo,
Write the book. There are plenty of conservative, even Christian conservative, publishing houses out there who will fight amongst themselves to be “Leo Donofrio’sâ€
Good cross links in this post from Airborne
http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-172023.html
Thanks to AirborneSapper7 for listing this post on another Alipac page. I think it is important for us to see this one also.
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OBAMA'S INELIGIBILITY: HOW DEEP DOES THE CORRUPTION GO?
By: Devvy Kidd
September 23, 2009
NewsWithViews.com
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd470.htm
Another potential bombshell has hit the Internet regarding Obama/Soetoro's ineligibility to run for or serve as president of these united States of America. Regular readers of my columns are familiar with the cases and attorneys. This new action comes from Leo Donofrio, an attorney in the State of New Jersey. Leo's case was the first to be scheduled for conference by the U.S. Supreme Court; it was kicked to the curb without any hearing on the merits of the case. Not a single case brought to date has ever been heard on its merits.
Americans from all walks of life have been filing FOIAs (Freedom of Information Act requests) and state records act requests, including yours truly. Many of them I have covered in past columns and am not going to rehash here. I am proud of my fellow Americans who are determined to stand for the truth despite all the attacks we receive from Glenn Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity, Ann Coulter and all the "progressive" mouthpieces on other cable networks. No one is above the law and the corruption at many levels of government to cover up Obama/Soetoro's ineligibility has been breathtaking and frightening at the same time.
This is Leo's current post on his blog: http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
Pending Litigation: Hawaii Confirms That Obama’s Vital Records Have Been Amended
"I will be assisting one of my readers in filing litigation in Hawaii state circuit court pursuant to her ongoing request for public information denied by Hawaii officials. (Readers of my blog will recognize her as MissTickly aka TerriK.)
"Correspondence sent to TerriK by Hawaii officials indicates that President Obama’s vital records have been amended and official records pertaining thereto are maintained by the state of Hawaii.
"I will issue a full statement and press release on behalf of TerriK via this blog in the days ahead. This statement will include a complete history of correspondence between TerriK and Hawaii state officials in the Office of Information Practices (OIP) and the Department of Health (DoH).
"Any legal assistance provided by me to TerriK will be pro bono. I will seek to be admitted pro hac vice in Hawaii for purposes of filing the case and conducting the trial. If such admission is not forthcoming, other counsel may be retained or TerriK may represent herself pro se. In any case, I will be drafting the pleadings. The only issue will be related to who files them and conducts the trial de novo.
"While correspondence sent to TerriK confirms that President Obama’s vital records have been amended, the DoH has refused to make the documents requested available. One count of the litigation will attempt to have those documents released. The other counts concern various information denied to her which – according to Hawaii law – she is entitled to.
"Before I get to the facts of the ongoing investigation in my follow up report, I will ask readers to study the UIPA manual and the UIPA statute. Hawaii has been caught blatantly circumventing their own laws; laws specifically created to foster open government practices.
The rest of the post is at the link. I am not surprised because of all that has been exposed in the search for the truth. The fact that Obama/Soetoro's passport records were breached ( http://tinyurl.com/6th2yh ) and most likely sanitized, should have made the dominant media come unglued. They have remained silent. It is believed the usurper traveled to Pakistan under the name Barry Soetoro as an Indonesian citizen.
While some may scoff that this is nothing but a conspiracy theory, this young man is dead and I believe it is tied to protecting the usurper. I am not accusing Obama/Soetoro, but others who might have acted on their own to protect him.
Key witness in passport fraud case fatally shot http://tinyurl.com/cyrvt9
"A key witness in a federal probe into passport information stolen from the State Department was fatally shot in front of a District church, the Metropolitan Police Department said yesterday.
"Lt. Quarles Harris Jr., 24, who had been cooperating with a federal investigators, was found late Thursday night slumped dead inside a car, in front of the Judah House Praise Baptist Church in Northeast, said Cmdr. Michael Anzallo, head of the department's Criminal Investigations Division.
"Cmdr. Anzallo said a police officer was patrolling the neighborhood when gunshots were heard, then Lt. Harris was found dead inside the vehicle, which investigators would describe only as a blue car. Emergency medics pronounced him dead at the scene. City police said they do not know whether his death was a direct result of his cooperation with federal investigators."
I know Leo Donofrio by phone and email exchanges. Leo is a very serious man when it comes to the law. He is not one to undertake a frivolous legal argument. In this case, he is representing the woman who filed these requests with the State of Hawaii --- pro bono (without fee). Who is she? I don't know; she goes by Miss Tickly. However, I did find her blog where she has posted her letters to the State of Hawaii. These are the relevant ones:
The Day I Asked a Question and Got The MOTHER of All Answers:
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/2302965/posts
Hawaiian Officials Under Duress:
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-chat/2304218/posts
Hawaii UIIPA Information Request Made, Media & Freepers Alerted:
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-bloggers/2304557/posts
UIPA request to Hawaii:
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-bloggers/2305448/posts
Citing UIPA, I requested ALL Obama's Vital Records:
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-chat/2305734/posts
And you may LIKE the rule(s) I cited
Many efforts have been made over the past few years to grease the skids. http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd430.htm I cited one in a column that has now been scrubbed from the Internet --
"One year later, Sarah Herlihy, an associate at the Chicago firm of Kirkland & Ellis gets her paper published in the Kent University Law Review on line. Herlihy claims in her paper that the citizenship requirement of the U.S. Constitution has been called "stupid and discriminating." Of course, she never tells us who makes this claim. Please note that a partner at the same law firm was one Bruce I. Ettelson, who apparently had a working relationship on finance committees for Obama and buffoon, Sen. Richard Durbin. Herlihy's paper, which shows "author approved editing" as November 23, 2005, is titled, "Amending the Natural Born Citizenship Requirement: Globalization as the Impetus and the Obstacle." You can read the paper here."
There are many references to Ms. Herlihy's paper on lots of web sites, but the paper she wrote is gone. Why take it down?
Please see this information http://devvy.net/pdf/sept09/legislate_obama.pdf on how certain U.S. Senators tried to litigate Obama/Soeotoro's citizenship by slipping Juan McCain in as a distraction. McCain is a U.S. citizen, but not a natural born citizen and therefore is forever and always, constitutionally ineligible; see here http://devvy.net/pdf/sept09/mccain_cd.pdf and here. http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/09/why-f ... obama.html
Another superbly written piece http://puzo1.blogspot.com/ that should be read is by Mario Apuzzo, the lead counsel in the Kerchner v Obama case; in part:
"Judge Land found that because Obama overcame a “gruelingâ€
One of those links led to a FREEP posting that had information which might be the "magic key" in figuring out if Dunham / Obama Sr. ever took out a marriage license. Using information drawn from the 1964 divorce decree (date, town, island, names of applicants), one might not be able to get the marriage license if the Hawaiian privacy laws "protect" the vital records of even dead people BUT one could pony up the $5 for a VERIFICATION request which cites to information one believes to be true, and asks the Dept of Health's Registrar of Vital Statistics people to look at the underlying records to "verify" if what you think to be true is actually true. Heck, one could even make a photocopy of the divorce decree that's reproduced all over the Internet to show where one got the "facts" one is seeking to Verify in the first place.
This marriage license deal-i-o really bugs me. If there wasn't even a license taken out in Hawaii, then it makes moot any grappling with foreign laws of Kenya about tribal "customary" marriages, plus the additional issue of whether Hawaii would have recognized them as legitimate "foreign marriages" rendering any later "Hawaiian marriage" bigamous.
[quote][size=150]http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/vital_records.html
“Letters of Verification
Letters of verification may be issued in lieu of certified copies (HRS §338-14.3). This document verifies the existence of a birth/death/marriage/divorce certificate on file with the Department of Health and any other information that the applicant provides to be verified relating to the vital event. (For example, that a certain named individual was born on a certain date at a certain place.) The verification process will not, however, disclose information about the vital event contained within the certificate that is unknown to and not provided by the applicant in the request.
Letters of verification are requested in similar fashion and using the same request forms as for certified copies.
The fee for a letter of verification is $5 per letter.â€
[quote="FreedomFirst"]One of those links led to a FREEP posting that had information which might be the "magic key" in figuring out if Dunham / Obama Sr. ever took out a marriage license. Using information drawn from the 1964 divorce decree (date, town, island, names of applicants), one might not be able to get the marriage license if the Hawaiian privacy laws "protect" the vital records of even dead people BUT one could pony up the $5 for a VERIFICATION request which cites to information one believes to be true, and asks the Dept of Health's Registrar of Vital Statistics people to look at the underlying records to "verify" if what you think to be true is actually true. Heck, one could even make a photocopy of the divorce decree that's reproduced all over the Internet to show where one got the "facts" one is seeking to Verify in the first place.
This marriage license deal-i-o really bugs me. If there wasn't even a license taken out in Hawaii, then it makes moot any grappling with foreign laws of Kenya about tribal "customary" marriages, plus the additional issue of whether Hawaii would have recognized them as legitimate "foreign marriages" rendering any later "Hawaiian marriage" bigamous.
[quote][size=150]http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/vital_records.html
“Letters of Verification
Letters of verification may be issued in lieu of certified copies (HRS §338-14.3). This document verifies the existence of a birth/death/marriage/divorce certificate on file with the Department of Health and any other information that the applicant provides to be verified relating to the vital event. (For example, that a certain named individual was born on a certain date at a certain place.) The verification process will not, however, disclose information about the vital event contained within the certificate that is unknown to and not provided by the applicant in the request.
Letters of verification are requested in similar fashion and using the same request forms as for certified copies.
The fee for a letter of verification is $5 per letter.â€
hey all, if anyone born in the USA is considered "natural born citizen" then WHY would the founders/framers of the Constitution use that particular phrase -- when just the word "born" would suffice?
Obviously that phrase has some other precedence? Is words "born" or "natural born" used in any other Independence period writings?
Hi Fred,Quote:
Originally Posted by fred410
You're coming onto this topic a bit late, but generally speaking, a 'natural born citizen' is a person born on U.S. soil to two (2) U.S. citizen parents - with no divided loyalties.
If you review this forum you'll see that we've discussed many facets of citizenship, largely because of our legal concerns about Obama's ineligibility to be POTUS.
Juan
Welcome to ALIPAC, fred410. We're glad to see you, no matter when, sooner or later.Quote:
Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan
There is one problem with Juan's definition, one it inherited from a previous President... the word "is". It depends upon what the meaning of the word "is" is: its authority, its universality, and its degree of acceptance among those who know nothing about the U.S. Constitution and really couldn't care less.
Some say a natural born citizen is as defined above, others say otherwise; but it doesn't matter:
- because HE is "the One" - forget the Constitution; or
because 66 million voters made him America's choice, Constitution or no Constitution; or
because possession is nine-tenths of the law, and what power does an old piece of paper have to compel otherwise? Or
because he fulfills African America's manifest destiny, and archaic principles espoused by old white men cannot stand in the way of future history --
and if you disagree, "Your [sic] a RACIST!" Or
because what's done is done, and let's not upset the apple cart just to uphold the letter of the law; or
because, yes, he didn't touch all the bases, but can't you hypocritical Christians find some forgiveness in your hearts? Or
because he's NotBush, so it's probably worth breaking a few eggs for the resulting omelet; or
because he will one day rule the world, so rules that only apply in the U.S. shouldn't stand in his way; or
because he represents the unrepresented and delivers the oppressed, so we shouldn't be so nitpicking about enforcing archaic statutes that also enumerated representation according to "three fifths of all other Persons" besides free persons and Indians, meaning, slaves; or
because he is NEW, and the Constitution is so passé, like, last millenium, you know? Or
because he will withdraw U.S. troops from the Middle East,
which makes him a man of PEACE, and we should give peace a chance...
(never mind that our enemies understand withdrawal as surrender and the pursuit of peace as weakness, and never mind that disregarding the Constitution is causing millions of otherwise peaceful Americans to march in the streets for fear of losing their country to socialism;) or
because he is redistributing the wealth, which is why you fat cats are hindering his good work with your legalism; or
because the Supreme Court has never defined "natural born citizen,",
so any interpretation that excludes Barack Obama is just your interpretation; or
because you retro Republican dudes lost; now get over it already!
Rest easy Minuteman. It matters not what excuses and obstacles they throw in our path. The truth will be known and those that perpetrated the deceit will receive their due reckoning, one way or another.Quote:
Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC
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From Leo's "Barnett v. Obama: Important Discovery Is Available Now According To Judge Carter’s Order of Sept. 17, 2009." we had this post:
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http://tinyurl.com/p3evpd
Harry Says:
September 23, 2009 at 11:55 am
Following is a Letter to the Editor of The Daily Interlake, Kalispell, Montana, which was sent in 3 weeks ago and has yet to be published. We had a fund raiser for Representative Denny Rehberg (R-MT) in August during which I approached him about the natural born citizen issue. Following is a copy of my letter with Representative Rehberg’s “explanationâ€
So that we all understand that the birth certificate issue and the dual citizenship disqualification issues are two separate issues, Leo has discussed the dual citizenship disqualification issue here:
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The Dual Cititzen POTUS Disqualification Issue Stands Alone
Posted in Uncategorized on August 29, 2009 by naturalborncitizen
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
The following is excerpted from the complete forum and comments found on wordpress.com:
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Today I received the following question from a reader:
QUESTION FROM READER:
[i]“Yesterday (Aug. 28 ) Orly Taitz filed suit in federal court in Texas on behalf of one Captain Connie Rhodes, M.D., in which Orly seems to have used wording that would be acceptable to Leo Donofrio:
“(24) However, Barack Hussein Obama, in order to prove his constitutional eligibility to serve as the president has to spend only one minute of his time to sign a consent form for release of his vital records, showing that he is a Natural Born Citizen, meaning one born in the country to two US citizen parents.â€
DENVER BABY!!!!
http://www.khow.com/cc-common/mlib/6...1253878591.jpg :D
Someone refresh my memory on this...
Quote:
For Immediate Release: July 27, 2009 09-063 STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen.
Grant the obvious, that
- 1) Dr. Chiyome Fukino violated the law by looking at Barack Hussein Obama's original vital records;
2) "the original vital records" (plural) may refer to one birth record (singular), which may or may not be a long form Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth; and
3) no director of any state department of health is legally competent to ascertain natural born citizen status.
Nevertheless, the Director of the Hawai'i State Dept. of Health is on record stating that Mr. Obama's original vital records verify that he was born in Hawai'i. What discredits that statement, and how does the testimony of a discredited con man, an ex-con who has done time for forgery, stack up against the testimony of the Director of the Hawai'i State Dept. of Health?
Part of the Undead Revolution's research includes an article by Gorge D. Collins which appeared in The America Law Review, Sep/Oct 1884. Because the article was bit-mapped when created, I don't have ready access to copying the text here, but the link to the Scribd PDF document is here: http://tinyurl.com/yeac7kx
This is an interesting read, and I can understand Leo's interest in it.
HJ: There's an interesting tidbit floating around out there in Internet Land which is that the Hawaii Attorney General's office may have written up a legal opinion which "informed" what the DOH issued as its statement with its "legal conclusion" of nbc. In that case - MmmWAAhahahaha -- the AG opinion letter should be discoverable (not protected from Open Records requests) and open up a whole lotta stuff. It might require a ruling about information it has to "redact" so as not to prevent violation of privacy laws but that's opening up a whole other can of worms.Quote:
Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC
"MmmWAAhahahaha"? Would you give us a translation from the Hawai'ian, FreedomFirst? Or is that a Navajo tonal word? Time out while I check the selection of Polynesian languages on Babelfish.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreedomFirst
Waiting...Quote:
Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC
This sounds like something Leo would pursue in his current action with Terri K (and "Miss Tickly" on the old TexasDarlin blog). Do you think he is aware of the rumor?Quote:
Originally Posted by FreedomFirst
Since it appears Tickly posted a summary of the info on Freepers' board and now has turned over everything to LD, I'd say that LD is not only aware of any rumor about the matter, but he could very well be sitting on a communication showing that the office of AG rendered an opinion. Here's a link to the exchange that reflects what's in his possession.Quote:
Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com ... ment-11556
If there's a formal AG opinion, it would be interesting to see how it "connects the dots" in arriving at a conclusion of NBC.Quote:
R. McGeddon Says:
September 22, 2009 at 12:33 pm
I’m not sure I understand how Hawaii’s Health Director, a physician, deems herself qualified to render an assessment of Obama’s citizenship status (i.e. a natural born citizen). I mean, wouldn’t you really need to be an attorney to render such an opinion in any court of law in these United States? Hello! Am I missing something here?
[Ed. We are all missing something. We have correspondence proving it was on the advice of the AG... this will be part of the judicial appeal.]
http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009 ... -question/
I keep circling back to the missing -- or at least, never revealed -- marriage license. If it never existed, then there's not even a fiction of a marriage. (Bigamous or not.)
The Theory is Now a Conspiracy – III
DNC Failed to Certify Obama as Eligible in MOST States!
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By JB Williams Friday, September 25, 2009
When I first became aware that the Democratic National Committee prepared, signed and notarized two slightly different Certification of Nomination documents for the Obama-Biden ticket in the 2008 election, I was shocked and after verifying both documents as real, I wrote about it in The Theory is Now a Conspiracy and Facts Don’t Lie released on September 10, 2009.
The question was obvious – Why TWO different DNC Obama certification documents, and why did one have proper certification of constitutional eligibility in it, while the other had that certification deleted?
The Obama camp had been using the defense that the DNC had properly vetted and certified Obama’s eligibility for months. Judge after judge had used that claim and the fact that Obama’s COLB (Certification of Live Birth) had been “Snoped – FactChecked – blogged and twitteredâ€
Nice going, gramasmad. As I'm sure, you know this is the third of a series by JB Williams:
#1 The Theory is Now a Conspiracy And Facts Don't Lie
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2009/williams091209.htm
#2 The Theory is Now a Conspiracy—II
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/14741
#3 The Theory is Now a Conspiracy – III
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/15127
And, as this is an ongoing investigation by the people, it would appear there may be more issues from JB we can keep an eye open for.
Your comments on this #3 article led me to the following source (jbjd) I had never seen before, but which seems to offer some interesting views, including samples of complaint letters to state AGs. Well worth the scrutiny. I'm glad to see what appear to be lawful and clear headed attorneys getting involved - it will help us all see things more clearly.
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THE CHEESE STANDS ALONE
Sunday, 20 September 2009
By jbjd, http://jbjd.wordpress.com/
UPDATE 09.24.09: THE MODEL COMPLAINT OF ELECTION FRAUD AGAINST THE HONORABLE NANCY PELOSI, ACTING IN THE NON-GOVERNMENTAL ROLE OF CHAIR, 2008 DNC CONVENTION, AND REQUEST FOR INVESTIGATION BY THE AG OF GEORGIA, IS POSTED IMMEDIATELY BELOW THE SIMILAR COMPLAINT FOR THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. ALL STATE COMPLAINTS IN STATES IN WHICH THE CERTIFICATION OF NOMINATION WAS FORWARDED TO STATE ELECTIONS OFFICIALS FROM MS. PELOSI WILL BE POSTED ON THIS SITE.
The Honorable Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the United State House of Representatives, 3rd in line of Presidential succession, http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa010298.htm, acting in a non-governmental role as Chair of the 2008 DNC Convention, signed and submitted to the Board of Elections in the Commonwealth of Virginia, the Official DNC Certification of Barack Obama’s Nomination. Therefore, this Complaint of Election Fraud and Request for Investigation to the Attorney General of the Commonwealth of Virginia, specifically names her.
It’s not as if citizens have not tried to find out directly from the DNC on what basis they verified Mr. Obama’s Constitutional qualifications before submitting his name to election officials to print on the general election ballot in all of those states that restrict access to the state ballot to only those candidates who are eligible for the job. Last December, when I first saw the Certification Ms. Pelosi signed for HI – you know, with that added line saying he is “legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution,â€
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com
TerriK INVESTIGATION, PART 2:
OIP Staff Attorney Linden Joesting’s Response to TerriK’s Appeal Appears To Confirm That The DoH Maintains Amended Vital Records For President Obama.
The UIPA at 92F-3 explicitly defines “government recordsâ€
Holy Batmobile, Robin, things seem to be heating up:
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com
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Descarte Says:
September 27, 2009 at 3:31 am
Good work.Interesting article covered by Phil at RSOL.Even more interesting are some of the comments. http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=7364
[b][Ed. Holy Crap! Is this the new mantra? Are the main stream media, as of September 24 2009 now going to be telling the public that Obama has no long form BC?
From the Colorado Independent:
By Joseph Boven 9/24/09 3:40 PM
According to billboard owner Phil Wolf, Denver’s “birther boardsâ€
[quote="HighlanderJuan"]Holy Batmobile, Robin, things seem to be heating up:
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com
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Descarte Says:
September 27, 2009 at 3:31 am
Good work.Interesting article covered by Phil at RSOL.Even more interesting are some of the comments. http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=7364
[b][Ed. Holy Crap! Is this the new mantra? Are the main stream media, as of September 24 2009 now going to be telling the public that Obama has no long form BC?
From the Colorado Independent:
By Joseph Boven 9/24/09 3:40 PM
According to billboard owner Phil Wolf, Denver’s “birther boardsâ€
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BORN IN THE USA?
49 of 50 states never saw certification of eligibility
What vetting? Democrats dodge Constitution, even in primaries
Posted: September 27, 2009
9:27 pm Eastern
By Drew Zahn
© 2009 WorldNetDaily
A commentator at Canada Free Press who earlier exposed the Democratic National Committee used two separate forms to affirm Barack Obama's constitutional eligibility to be president has heard back from readers and research – and now reports Democrats failed to certify their candidate's eligibility in 49 of the 50 states.
The writer, JB Williams, further reports that in most cases, certification
of eligibility was also missing from DNC filings during the primaries.
"In most states," Williams writes, "it appears that the DNC never certified constitutional eligibility for Barack Hussein Obama, despite their many claims of proper vetting and certification, all of which we now know to be false."
As WND reported, Williams released copies of two documents apparently prepared by Democrats to certify Barack Obama as their nominee for president, one that contains language affirming his constitutional eligibility and filed in Hawaii (where state law requires the specific language) and another omitting the language and filed in the remaining 49 states.
The first includes a verification that Obama and Joe Biden, then-candidate for vice president, "are legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution."
http://www.wnd.com/images/misc/pelosione.jpg
One image of the certification for Barack Obama's nomination, including includes the affirmation Obama and Joe Biden "are legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution"
The second form obtained by Williams appears identical, but in this one, the verification of eligibility under the requirements of the U.S. Constitution is gone.
http://www.wnd.com/images/misc/pelosi2two.jpg
Williams reports that Republicans use a document universally that affirms their candidate's eligibility and that Democrats have used the form that omits the certification language in previous elections, but nonetheless questions why the DNC certified Obama's eligibility only in Hawaii.
He followed up his question by consulting a handwriting expert to compare the two documents.
"My conclusion is as follows," Williams quotes the unnamed expert, "all three signers of the certification that included the constitutionally eligible clause were aware that it was not true at the time they signed it."
WND has contacted the Democratic National Committee multiple times to request an explanation of the two images, including whether one might be a forgery. A spokeswoman in the press office confirmed, "We are aware of it," but declined to elaborate.
Likewise, WND contacted the office of one of the document's signers, now House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, but got no response over several days. And the White House declined to respond to multiple e-mails asking for a comment.
Want to turn up the pressure to learn the facts? Get your signs and postcards asking for the president's birth certificate documentation here.
"Nancy Pelosi knew that she was signing a false statement on behalf of Obama," Williams concludes in answer to his own question. "But she also knew that this false statement of eligibility would only be filed in Hawaii, which has a very specific state statute that requires that each party certify the constitutional eligibility of their candidates, using specific text."
"But even more important," Williams states, "the DNC never 'certified' that Obama met all legal requirements for the office of president, like the RNC did for McCain."
WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."
Some of the lawsuits over the dispute question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.
Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.
Complicating the situation is Obama's decision to spend sums estimated over $1 million to avoid releasing a state birth certificate that would put to rest the questions.
WND has reported that among the documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.
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WND reported on a decision by a California judge to schedule a trial early next year on the arguments over Obama's eligibility.
U.S. District Judge David Carter tentatively scheduled a trial for Jan. 26, 2010, for the case. If the case actually goes to arguments, it will be the first time the merits of the dispute have been argued in open court, according to one of the attorneys
working on the issue.
Arguments over other online Obama images also have raged. His campaign and now his administration repeatedly has pointed to an online image of a "Certification of Live Birth" from Hawaii has documenting his status, even though such documents are not, in fact, proof. Critics have suggested the image itself is fraudulent.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=111286
Two DNC letters - perjury on Hawaii certification
From: MinuteMan CDC_SC [mailto:minutemancdc_sc at]
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:11 AM
To: dzahn at wnd dot com
Subject: Two DNC letters - perjury on Hawaii certification
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=111286
Dear Mr. Zahn,
We do not care about "credit", but surely you are aware that we and others reported this nine months ago?
http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-137238-days ... c-462.html
http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-137238-days ... c-469.html
Besides emailing our findings [to news at worldnetdaily dot com], what else can we do to alert WorldNetDaily and other Constitutional eligibility watchdogs?
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Monday, September 28, 2009 7:41 AM
From: "Drew Zahn" <dzahn at wnd.com>
To: "'MinuteMan CDC_SC'" <minutemancdc_sc>
I can't speak for the other editors at WND, but no, I was unaware of any previous reporting on this before Mr. Williams' work.
Please understand, however, that message boards and forums don't really constitute "reporting" it, and are so filled with random and unsubstantiated comments, that we simply can't take time to examine the hundreds – no, thousands – of message boards out there discussing this controversy.
If, however, you do encounter verifiable information that constitutes breaking news on this story, I invite you to email us at news at worldnetdaily dot com , and we can work to get the news out to a broader audience.
Drew Zahn,
News editor, WorldNetDaily
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So old school establishment... brick and mortar... printing press and newsprint... WorldNetDaily, of all people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drew Zahn
http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-137238-.html . . . 2001 replies . . . 71038 views.
We search and read and verify. We research until dawn to feed the morning shift. Sometimes we travel to remote locations to get first-hand eyewitness accounts. Occasionally our specialization and focus on Mr. Obama's Constitutional ineligibility leads us to insights that the popular news portals miss.
We also surf the boards, piecing together puzzle parts. WND used to do that.
[quote=MinutemanCDC_SC] Two DNC letters - perjury on Hawaii certification
From: MinuteMan CDC_SC [mailto:minutemancdc_sc at]
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:11 AM
To: dzahn at wnd dot com
Subject: Two DNC letters - perjury on Hawaii certification
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=111286
Dear Mr. Zahn,
We do not care about "credit", but surely you are aware that we and others reported this nine months ago?
http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-137238-days ... c-462.html
http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-137238-days ... c-469.html
Besides emailing our findings [to news at worldnetdaily dot com], what else can we do to alert WorldNetDaily and other Constitutional eligibility watchdogs?
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Monday, September 28, 2009 7:41 AM
From: "Drew Zahn" <dzahn at wnd.com>
To: "'MinuteMan CDC_SC'" <minutemancdc_sc>
I can't speak for the other editors at WND, but no, I was unaware of any previous reporting on this before Mr. Williams' work.
Please understand, however, that message boards and forums don't really constitute "reporting" it, and are so filled with random and unsubstantiated comments, that we simply can't take time to examine the hundreds – no, thousands – of message boards out there discussing this controversy.
If, however, you do encounter verifiable information that constitutes breaking news on this story, I invite you to email us at news at worldnetdaily dot com , and we can work to get the news out to a broader audience.
Drew Zahn,
News editor, WorldNetDaily
__________________________________________________ _________
[quote="Drew Zahn":ij7t56gh][b]message boards and forums don't really constitute "reporting" it[/b][/quote]
So old school establishment... brick and mortar... printing press and newsprint... WorldNetDaily, of all people.
[url="http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-137238-.html"]http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-137238-.html[/url] . . . 2001 replies . . . 71038 views.
We search and read and verify. We research until dawn to feed the morning shift. Sometimes we travel to remote locations to get first-hand eyewitness accounts. Occasionally our specialization and focus on Mr. Obama's Constitutional ineligibility leads us to insights that the popular news portals miss.
We also surf the boards, piecing together puzzle parts. WND used to do that.[/quote:ij7t56gh]
MinuteMan,
Thanks for passing along this correspondence. Very interesting.
I may be looking at this discussion from a slightly different slant. If Mr. Zahn is interested in receiving creditable news leads from posters at Alipac, then I see that as a positive sign, and we-all should consider whether or not we want to feed him with our research and with our understandings.
If we choose to feed WND with our 'news' and findings, then we are helping promote and support WND. If we don't care about our own 'ownership' of the news, then WND certainly seems like it may be a good and efficient method of getting the news to the outside world - something I believe is important.
If, on the other hand, we are doing something special in our research, and believe we have a story of our own to tell, then I think we should consider publishing our own copyrightable 'news' to the world. If we do so, this would draw additional attention to Alipac and/or its individual authors and posters.
Of all of the forums of which I have monitored and contributed in recent months, I believe that this particular forum has done some of the better research and analysis, and I actually encourage some one or more of us to write our own book or write articles for NewsMax, NewsWithViews or WND, or whomever.
As an aside, it is my belief that our nation is in a deep pile of doo-doo, and that the only path to recovery for us as a nation, is through education - accurate and truthful education - education that will cancel out the biased and errant knowledge forced into us by our government school systems and the government controlled news media.
And, besides the Obama ineligibility story, I believe there is much credible evidence pointing to a real, live conspiracy by groups and individuals in the financial world (yes, people just like George Soros) and in our own federal and state governments, to weaken and destroy our republic. How we choose to respond to these ongoing threats to our nationality will determine if we are to survive and thrive as an independent nation and republic, or whether we will go down in history as 'well, they could have...'
On a personal level, I try to learn from legal minds, documents, and processes (because I think most of our problems are actually the results of lawless activities performed by members of our own government); I learn from economic and financial minds; I learn from philosophical minds; and I learn from our own history and from our living and dead historians.
This is why I am back in college after 35 or so years, and why I post legal documents and have solicited copyright permission to re-post articles I find in college and from the various websites, forums, and blogs up on Scribd.com. While we are learning, we must remember to give back and help others learn these same lessons we spend so much time absorbing.
So, if everything we do counts (i.e. our actions either count for us, or they count against us), I think we should continue to do as we are doing - we are learning, and I believe we are growing intellectually. Now may be an excellent time for us to consider how we want to help others learn from our own knowledge.
Maybe WND is a good outlet for our ‘news.’ I can’t answer that question for all of us, but it appears to be something we should consider.
Minuteman and Highlander, personally I have always appreciated your posts and it is clear that you, among many others, have a singular purpose to bring articles and insights to light that the Fringe Media just won't do. I also appreciate your opinions on the articles. I am hungry for more. I may be wrong but by all appearances you both have either a journalism or legal background and have the tools to do research and analyze things that some of us don't. I am a graduate engineer and often times become frustrated with trying to decipher the legal aspects of this political jungle. I guess you could say that I analyze everything I read and don't suffer fools gladly. My BS antennae goes up quickly when I smell lies or deception. I just want the truth whether it be in favor of my political leanings or not. However, I think you have uncovered a valid concern that goes to the heart of the matter. Our media, of all flavors, seems to have lost the ability to sleuth for the truth. This is why I appreciate the persistence of those in this forum to dig out the tidbits and treasures of information that we don't otherwise find in our fringe media. Keep it up!
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=111364
Video with the Arizona representative who considered an eligibility lawsuit into the early days of January '09.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=111364
Once the completed research has been put online by the U. of Connecticut group at Undead Revolution, it should probably be printed out and sent to the Congress critters.
Also, in the statutes that govern how the "objection" process is handled in Congress (apart from Cheney forgetting to call for objections like the statutory "script" demands), is there any allowance for them to be challenging the actual candidate's eligibility or is the challenge seen to be a questioning of the eligibility of the ELECTORS? It's not fully clear to me and there are some side-debates going on, about the significance of the process at that stage.
Oooohh. You do ask thought provoking questions. Since the ceremony does count the electoral college votes, I can think of three questions to ask and answer:Quote:
Originally Posted by FreedomFirst
1. As you suggested, are congressional objections challenges to the electors and their submitted count or to the nominee? Good one.
2. If objections, as a necessary component of the ceremony, are not solicited because of an error on the part of the master of the ceremony (procedure), Mr. Cheney in this case, are the proceedings null and void and forced to be re-performed (like the swearing in ceremony was re-done)?
(this would beg the question of how legally important is the solicitation of objections from the elected body (i.e. Members of Congress))
3. What are the repercussions to the MC for failing to include all parts of the ceremony in the proceedings? Are there any?
As an aside, it has seemed to me for a while that many elected federal officials have been extremely cavalier with the law lately, as though they don't give a crap anymore because they know about some imminent changes to our nation's structure that will exonerate them from whatever misdeeds they choose to perform. Fear of being found operating outside the law just doesn't concern or control them anymore. Why is that?
To me, and if this is true, it's scary. It tells me the war is over and the nation has already been lost. And the voters don't know it yet.
I hope to hell I'm wrong.
If I'm not wrong, I already have lined up two sources of hot tar and feathers for transportation and use in WDC. I think we can use fence poles as the supporting mechanism for the miscreants.
But, to you all, I leave this quote: Noli nothis permittere te terere!
(Don't let the illegitimate offspring of dogs wear you down - not a literal translation, but you get the idea.)
FreedomFirst,
I'm certain you are tracking Leo's various forums, and in his forum entitled "Barnett v. Obama: Important Discovery Is Available Now According To Judge Carter’s Order of Sept. 17, 2009." ( http://tinyurl.com/p3evpd ) he mentioned this 'objection' discovery. Having said this, I seem to remember reading that Orly has missed or bypassed the opportunity.
[Ed. I don't think it matters. We the people were entitled to have the laws faithfully executed. If the DOJ will argue that these protections exist, then orly can certainly argue that they weren't performed. In that case all member of congress must be asked the question Cheney was duty bound to ask...but did not. The answer must be a truthful answer under oath. I believe in this approach. It should be requested and the Court's response will be interesting if nothing else.]
I have to review this whole blog once again to learn the current status.
I think a part of the "limited discovery" that LD thought would be permissible in the action before Judge Carter (even if the Motion to Dismiss goes on appeal) related to inquiring of the Members of Congress (via deposition or possibly interrogatory) whether any of them WOULD have raised objections if the proper procedures had been followed by Cheney.Quote:
Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan
The Motion to Dismiss from DOJ attorneys relies heavily on the argument that eligibility is a Political Question, and that the mechanism for thrashing it out in the political process happened, and that a court can't come barging in to reverse everything that transpired during that political process. However, the "loophole" would be if the laws that govern the protocol of the political process weren't followed. (E.g. 3 U.S.Code Sec. 15 ... which says the VP must call for any "objections".) Then, the court is in a position of making a finding and a ruling upon "legal issues" (failure to follow the law governing the political process) and part of what would inform the court would be discovery that showed that at least one Rep. and one Sen. had planned to object but found that chance foreclosed.
If depositions for "limited discovery" showed that no Member of Congress would have objected, then the matter would probably seen as moot.
You'll note in reading LD's blog that the DOJ lawyers failed to put all the language of the statute in their pleadings; they left out the part that pointed to what the VP acting as President of the Senate is "supposed" to do. Pretty snarky lawyering, IMHO. Deliberately "concealing" things (laws or facts) is a lawyer "no no" under the Rules of Professional Conduct which demand "candor before the tribunal" .... somebody could file an ethics grievance, based on that alone.
I did note that, and you're being quite pleasant when you call their actions snarky. This is as dishonest and manipulative as everything else we see in today's federal government. The sad part is this lawlessness is coming from the DoJ - the protectors of our lawful government.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreedomFirst
I would love to know what they filed for Hilary during the primary. If they used the "long form" for all of the states, that would really say somethingQuote:
Originally Posted by grandmasmad
I don't know what they filed either, but take a gander at this WSJ note:Quote:
Originally Posted by cayla99
A federal judge has sentenced former Democratic fundraiser and convicted Ponzi-scheme operator Norman Hsu to more than 24 years in prison for violating campaign finance laws. His arrest was an embarrassment for Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign and led her to return more than $800,000 to donors linked to Hsu.
http://online.wsj.com/home-page?mod=djemalertNEWS
Orly Taitz newest website has again been labeled as an "attack" site by Google. Looks like maybe she is getting too close to the truth and causing a few people to come unhinged. Personally, I would like to see someone take some of these attack site instigators out back and show them the business end of a Louisville Slugger.
I found this on another blog and looked it up and it looks good!
WONDER WOMAN, DR. ORLY TAITZ'S 29 SEPTEMBER PROGRESS!
Think about this ... My firm belief in angels, causes me to believe that God is giving us one last chance to clean up this evil & sinful mess that we've created. I believe that God has sent his angels Dr Orly Taitz, Alan Keyes, Judge Carter and all others involved in bringing down this evil USURPER, barack hussein obama!
For the latest progress (29 Sept 2009) by "Wonder Woman Dr Orly Taiz", click on the link below.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2350786/posts
this is from Orly's page:
COMMENT FROM ORLY TAITZ
ANTI-MULLAH ^ | September 28, 2009
Posted on Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:10:23 AM by kellynla
Dr. Orly Taitz: A very good day today Posted on September 29th, 2009 by David-Crockett
I think all those prayers help. Today I had two of my motions granted.
1. Judge Carter had granted my motion for surreply. I can provide 10 more pages of argument and all the necessary attachments by October 1st.
a number of my supporters and followers have sent FOIA requests for information. It is hard for me to find some of them amongst over 80,000 e-mails. If you had sent FOIA requests and did or did not get answers, please e-mail to me under heading FOIA to dr_taitz @yahoo.com.
If you send requests for info on tampering with passport records, send those to me.
I need those two FOIA requests of the Selective service certificate. ( I remember there were 2 with different info provided by the government)
I need FOIA requests for info on travel, passport records and other state dep info.
Mr. Ken Allen -I need certified copies from you ASAP.
Mr. Chris Strunk I need certified copies from you ASAP
My buddy Devvy Kidd- I need certified copies from you - particularly from the registrars of the u of Wa and HI (Stanley Ann Dunham’s alma mater in 1961 was U of WA not U of HI)- the copies you sent me weren’t notarized.
I need a certified copy and affidavit from MR. Wilson- about 2 certificates of candidate signed by Pelosi.
Did anyone already send send a FOIA on that one
Will this Miss Trigy provide a cert. copy?
I need an affidavit, FOIA request and whatever you have in re to homicide of Lt. Querles Harris and Donald Young
Any FOIA requests for info from Kapiolani hospital, Queens hospital and S traub clinic?
Mr. Kurt Fuqua-I need you cert copies.
Any FOIA requests on the arrests of Vivek Kundra and Aqair ( according to WA times forged birth certificates were found at the apartment of Aqair - assistant chief of cyber security for Obama)
Any FOIA requests for the unredacted report on the passport tampering.
I will provide more info tomorrow.
2. Judge Land in GA granted my motion to withdraw as counsel. the reason, i had to do it, since Cpt Connie Rhodes was under tremendous pressure, intimidation by the military and department of defense and she stated that she didn’t want to proceed under this pressure. Now I don’t have my hands tied behind my back, I can provide more info, now I can do more on my own behalf.
3. I am submitting today a notice of appeal in FL on behalf of Major Cook . While his orders to deploy were revoked by the military, he was a victim of retaliation and the military pressured his employer to fire him. We are seeking damages. Notice of appeal in GA was already filed.
4. as you know, I came from South Dakota yesterday, where I had a very productive meeting with the community leaders. State House of Representatives Majority Whip has shown interest in working on this matter. I have forwarded documents to him. He will be holding meetings with other legislators this coming weekend.
So the final update is this:
Next Monday may be the beginning of the end for Hussein.
Next Monday in Santa Ana California Orly and Obama's lawyers will appear before Judge Carter and this is all he has to say:
U.S. District Court Judge Carter "Mr. Obama, I order you to provide this court with your ORIGINAL Birth Certificate."
Let's pray!
Also go to: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=111491
Was President Obama born out of wedlock in 1961?
The question has been rekindled by the publication this month of "Barack and Michelle: Portrait of an American Marriage" by former Time magazine contributing editor Christopher Andersen.
Andersen has raised once again the question of whether Obama's parents were ever officially married, writing on page 25: "On February 21, 1961 – a Thursday – Barack Obama and Ann Dunham were reportedly married in a civil ceremony on the island of Maui, although there are no official records showing that a legal ceremony ever took place."
Dunham was a teenager, 18-years-old, when Barack Obama Jr. was born.
...Next Monday may be the beginning of the end for Hussein.
Next Monday in Santa Ana California Orly and Obama's lawyers will appear before Judge Carter and this is all he has to say:
U.S. District Court Judge Carter "Mr. Obama, I order you to provide this court with your ORIGINAL Birth Certificate." ...
This would be too good to be true. I just can't imagine in my wildest dreams that the powers that be would allow this to go forward...we can only hope.