At least 24 members of the electoral college will also be filing a suit as early as MondayQuote:
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At least 24 members of the electoral college will also be filing a suit as early as MondayQuote:
Originally Posted by 93camaro
Not a bad idea. I wonder? :)Quote:
I don't know if Mama Sarah, Barack Obama II's step-grandmother, counts as a blood relative. But do you suppose his half-sister or half-brother might be enticed to see Diamond Head and Waikiki Beach?
Great idea to write the electors. I know a lot of states have the electors listed on state sites so some may be easier to find than others.
Michelle Malkin article.
What the **** is the “Office of the President-Elect?â€
You seem to be skipping the long threads. At the time of his birth, in order to gain automatic citizenship from his mom, she had to have lived in the US for 10 years, at least 5 of them after the age of 16. She was 18 at the time of his birth, so it would have been IMPOSSIBLE for her to fulfill that requirement. That leaves born on US soil as his only option for natural born citizenship.Quote:
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Justice Souter is not considering it an email rumor, neither are the members of the electoral college who are in the process of filing a lawsuit. Minuteman gave a pretty good summary of the facts. I actually hope he was born in Hawaii. However, it that was the case, why is he going to such great lengths to hide this information?
Immigrant girl, we really do not want to tear apart your fairie tale world, but, factcheck.org is owned by the ANNENBERG FOUNDATION. Obama headed up their subsidiary the ANNENBERG PROJECT for years. It is like asking a friend or relative to vouch for you. It is not totally believable.Quote:
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I didn't get to read all posts, but I had to post for those that state his Certification of live birth is a Certificate of live birth. I have a Hawaiian Certificate of live birth here: http://snarkybytes.com/wp-content/uploa ... e-1963.jpg
Now go view your Certification post on factcheck.org - does it look the same? What you are seeing is a certification that he was in fact born. This does not mean he was born in Hawaii only that he was registered there after birth. The registrar in Hawaii has stated that they do have in their possession his original certificate of live birth, but it has not been requested by Obama or any family member. They have not stated that the certification that is posted is real. Only that they have it in their possession. I would really like to see the real deal.
Welcome JCSJCM..... :lol: :lol: :lol:
His REFUSAL to show us this birth certificate has got to make you wonder....what is he hiding???????
I am also wondering if he was a foreign exchange student from Kenya?? Is that why his school records are also sealed :?
I also believe that his school records are sealed because 1) he received foreign aid 2) he registered as an illegal with his Indonesian passport 3) possibilities are endless of what I believe. I would prefer to believe that we know who our president is. I would love to say yay maybe this president will help us get back on track.
Unfortunately with all records being sealed here and in Kenya it makes you wonder.
Also to another poster that stated why don't you just find out from Kenya if his mother was there - someone already tried that and they were deported. Then everything was sealed. If you mention his name you will get shipped out immediately.
I'm so really disappointed at how many people keep referring to that birth certificate on factcheck.org - doesn't anyone know what a long form looks like?
..if there was ANY time to call Americans:
STUPID or LAZY..
..it would be NOW..!! 8O
Related: www.alipac.us/ftopict-134286-.html 8O
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WHY is this VERY important subject being moved from the General Discussion..?
We're talking of the MOST NOTORIOUS illegal alien..
..EVER..!! :twisted:
[quote="jcsjcm"]I didn't get to read all posts, but I had to post for those that state his Certification of live birth is a Certificate of live birth. I have a Hawaiian Certificate of live birth here: http://snarkybytes.com/wp-content/uploa ... e-1963.jpg
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"Certificate of Live Birth"
Item "7c. County and State or Foreign Country".
1. Am I seeing things: Can a person be born in a "Foreign Country" and still get a birth certificate----a "Certificate of Live Birth"---from the state
of Hawaii?
2. Am I seeing things: Can a person be born in ANOTHER U.S. State and
get a birth certificate from Hawaii?
3. All of the above statements seem weird to me.
4. My point is this: How can a person born in another country or another U.S. state still obtain a valid, legal birth certificate from Hawaii?
5. It doesn't make sense that a person can be born somewhere else besides Hawaii and yet obtain a valid, legal birth certificate from Hawaii as if he was born in Hawaii.
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I Agree 100%
Now most importantly, I would like to say:
WELCOME TO ALIPAC JCSJCM, IT IS GREAT TO HAVE YOU WITH US!!!
mirse,
Yes you can be registered in the United states as being born even if you were born on foreign land. His mother being an American had his birth registered in the state of Hawaii. This does not prove that he was in fact born in Hawaii.
The registrar in Hawaii has confirmed to have the original, but has not stated that what he is showing is factual. No on has requested a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii for Barack which makes me wonder how he received a Certification of live birth record.
I want to see the original long form with hospital and doctor. This will prove to me one way or the other.
I fully agree with you, I too want to see the documents. I find it strange,and that is a massive understatement, that instead of providing the original cert, Obama hired a lawyer who specializes in RICO and Terrorist defense cases to dance around the issue and avoid handing a mere long form birth certificate to the courts . I find it odd, when in Hawaii, instead of just producing the doc, he takes time out to have the governor seal all his files claiming he was afraid of ID theft of all things. I question why on earth, he would let this get so far as Supreme Court level, when all he has to do is hand over the document, and it appears he will go all the way to the December 1st deadline before handing it over or attempting to maneuver his way out of it again. The only answer I can come up with, is the document will state he is not constitutionally eligible to be president. He may have been hoping to get a good forgery together, but I have heard that Souter is considering asking for the original as opposed to a certified copy.Quote:
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Welcome to Alipac jcsjcm we are glad to have you with us.
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What if it turns out that he was a citizen all along?
It won't.
We have the recorded testimony of Barack Obama II's Kenyan step-grandmother or step-mother, Mama Sarah, on video, on audio, and by transcript. "Barack ñate dhailani." In the Luo dialect of Swahili, that means "Barack born of village," or "Barack native of village." Take your pick.
To corroborate that, we have the testimony of his half-sister and half-brother in Kenya.
We have the facts Dr. Jerome Corsi presented in Obama Nation, which caused the Kenyan government so much consternation that they arrested him before the news conference where he was to present his evidence, and possibly his witnesses. Kenya then deported him and told him not to come back.
We have the expert analysis and testimony of three fraud and counterfeiting consultants. The "Certification of Live Birth" posted by Daily Kos and FactCheck is both Photoshopped, which makes it invalid, and a counterfeit... a very bad counterfeit.
We have the Indonesian school record which listed his nationality as "Indonesian", citizenship which was necessary to have enrolled in school. Obama has not presented any evidence of an oath of allegiance between age 18 and 18½ to reclaim his U.S. citizenship.
We have knowledge of his visit to Pakistan at age 20, possibly to Pashtun territory for a "quail hunt," and probably on his Indonesian passport. That would violate too many laws to list. (Traveling on a U.S. passport would have been problematic, or dangerous, while touring Pakistan, especially north and west Pakistan.)
We have record of his sus picious behavior in sealing his vault long form Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth, presenting a forged short form Certification in its place, and sealing his admission and financial aid records from Occidental College, Columbia University, and Harvard Law School, his faculty records at the University of Chicago, his medical records, and any other record which might include a copy of his long form Certificate of Live Birth.
We have record of his associations with Syrian convict Tony Rezko, Black Liberation Theology preacher Jeremiah (Wrong) Wright, and high profile Islamists such as former PLO operative Rashid Khalidi. Every notable in Islam except Osama bin Laden has endorsed or celebrated his election as POTUS. Osama must not be feeling well...
We have record of enormous illegal foreign contributions to his campaign, including $200 million which was apparently foreign currency, some being exchanged for dollars in "odd cents" amounts. Major contributors to political campaigns almost always expect major returns on investments. The Saudis are no different. Can you say, "Sharia-compliant finance?"
No, that doesn't mean "no more pork in the Congressional Appropriations bill."
Barack Obama II emerged from the corrupt Chicago political machine with many condemning connections but no identifying labels. No one has examined his Certificate of Live Birth to vet his Constitutional qualifications: not the DNC, not the DOJ, not the FEC, not the State Dept., not the CIA, not the relevant Senate committee, not (fill in the blank).
If he really was born in Honolulu, why does he not just show a Hawaii Dept. of Health-embossed, hospital-certified, paper "vault copy" of the long form birth certificate and make this all go away?
WHY NOT?
jcsjcm welcome to Alipac
MinutemanCDC_SC,
I just hope that SOMEBODY IN POWER unseals the birth cert. WE THE PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW. I hope that the numerous reports of 24+ members of the Electoral College that are allegedly insisting on proof of his eligibility before the December vote are not hoaxes. However, with the lengths Obama has gone too to hide his past, I do not think I would trust anything but a verified original that has had the paper and ink tested for date. I think people are working overtime to provide a better forgery to present to us.
Two things I find interesting:
1) Obama stated he will not name any cabinet members this week and
2) Fox business just said he will NOT be attending the G-20 financial summit meeting this week.
Of course it could be nothing, but maybe he knows he will not be able to become president because of this birth certificate issue so feels it is safer not to become too entrenched just yet. ???
Another Supreme court suit that is not receiving media attention:
http://www.blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/
They are all covering this up and it is becoming extremely annoying! Although Hannity seems to be publishing it here:
http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1147121
Andy Martin vs. Linda Lingle et al
Complaint for Declaratory Judgment
Andy Martin has appealed to the Hawai'i Supreme Court for disclosure of Barack Hussein Obama II's long form vault Certificate of Live Birth. The Motion for Order to Show Cause is on the Hawai'i Supreme Court Minutes [docket] for hearing before Judge B. Ayabe on Nov. 18. There is no ruling yet on the petition for dismissal filed by Jill T. Deller Nagamine on Nov. 5.
Apparently the Show is still GO on Nov. 18.
Ref.: http://hoohiki1.courts.state.hi.us/jud/Hoohiki/main.htm
Case I.D.: 1CC08-1-002147
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Judge Sabatino certainly has his reasons for dismissing Leo Donofrio's case against the N.J. Sec. of State!
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Originally Posted by New Jersey Supreme Court Justice Jack M. Sabatino
Reasons for dismissal:
- The public interest in an orderly election,
(never mind making it valid, legitimate, and Constitutional);
- the balance of equities (???);
- the imminence of the election,
(after lawyers and the courts have stalled such cases for months);
- the printing of millions of ballots;
- the submission of numerous absentee ballots;
- the uniform lack of success of similar litigation in the federal courts,
(namely, only Berg v. Obama, inasmuch as the failure to disqualify Sen. McCain was valid and justified. By Dec. 1, the U.S. Supreme Court may yet decide to hear Berg v. Obama);
- the Senate resolution verifying Sen. McCain is indeed a natural born citizen,
(as was already the case under 8 USC 12 § 1403, regardless of S. Res. 511);
- the vote by Sen. Obama supporting Sen. McCain's natural born citizenship.
Where is any basis in the U.S. Constitution or U.S. law for the above reasons for dismissal?
They are only Judge Sabatino's personal sympathies, not legal opinions.
To recognize the absurdity of his logic, use any of his "opinions" to end the following sentence:
"The Sec. of State must not verify Sen. Obama's 'natural born Citizen' status because of..."
Interesting points jcsjcm.
I look forward to your future comments.
Welcome to alipac!
I can't remember EVER being this angry at our judicial system.
[quote=MinutemanCDC_SC]Judge Sabatino certainly has his reasons for dismissing Leo Donofrio's case against the N.J. Sec. of State!Quote:
Originally Posted by jcsjcm
Reasons for dismissal:Quote:
Originally Posted by "New Jersey Supreme Court Justice Jack M. Sabatino":3ho6lu8k
Where is any basis in the U.S. Constitution or U.S. law for the above reasons for dismissal?
- The public interest in an orderly election,
(never mind making it valid, legitimate, and Constitutional);
the balance of equities (???);
the imminence of the election,
(after lawyers and the courts have stalled such cases for months);
the printing of millions of ballots;
the submission of numerous absentee ballots;
the uniform lack of success of similar litigation in the federal courts,
(namely, only Berg v. Obama, inasmuch as the failure to disqualify Sen. McCain was valid and justified. By Dec. 1, the U.S. Supreme Court may yet decide to hear Berg v. Obama);
the Senate resolution verifying that Sen. McCain is indeed a natural born citizen,
(as was already the case under 8 USC 12 § 1403, regardless of S. Res. 511);
the vote by Sen. Obama supporting Sen. McCain's natural born citizenship.
They are only Judge Sabatino's personal sympathies, not legal opinions.
To recognize the absurdity of his logic, use any of his "opinions" to end the following sentence:
"The Sec. of State must not verify Sen. Obama's 'natural born Citizen' status because of..."[/quote:3ho6lu8k]
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Obama to run for second term? If he does, he is going to have some serious problems.
Myself, I think Obamas will be a one term president if he doesn't release his Hawaii long form birth certificate in the next four years---the one with the doctor's and birth hospital's names on it.
1. The courts and the public seem to be giving Obama a free ride during this, his first term.
3. Hawaii Birth Certificate: Next time Obama runs for office, however, the public will demand that Obama show his long form Hawaii birth certificate, the one with the doctor's and the hospital's name on it.
On this Hawaii birth certificate issue, Obama and his devious staff won't be able to stonewall the public in 2012 the way they stonewalled the public in 2008.
4. College Records: The public will also demand that before Obama runs again, he must release his college records.
Again, Obama won't be able to stonewall the public on the college records issue, because with each passing news conference, reporters will put more and more pressure on Obama to release his college records.
5. 2010 and 2012 Elections: I hope by the time the next elections roll around in 2010, states will have passed laws where a candidate for ANY public office, especially a
candidate for Representative, Senator, Vice-President, and President of the United States, will be required to present a long form birth certificate, the one with the doctor's and hospital's names on it.
6. Hopefully, by the time the 2012 presidential campaign rolls around, we won't have a repeat of this 2008 Obama chaos where Obama refuses to show us his long form Hawaii birth certificate---the one with the doctor's and the hospital's name on it---but he is still allowed to put his name on the ballot.
7. Why was Obama's name allowed to be placed on the ballot? Because the courts and election officials are so confused that they blame everyone but themselves for this potential constitutional crisis of having a possible presidential candidate on the ballot who is ineligible according to the Constitution of the United States.
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I disagree, if not now, it never will be revealed. Can you imagine the utter disaster it would be if they waited until after he is sworn in to release this info and he is not a citizen? Everything he signed would have to be voided and nullified. The confusion and chaos would lead to a certain anarchy. No, we will never know the truth if he gets sworn in, the consequences would be too great. As it is, I believe the primary reason for all of the help he is getting covering this up is because he is/was a senator. IF it is proven that he is not a citizen at all, this will mean that they would have to revisit EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF LEGISLATION HE VOTED ON. Did his single vote have the weight to decide the triumph or failure of whatever it is he was voting on. With the loss of Obama in the senate, did the Democrats even really have a majority? I am not sure of what affect this would even have on that. Then there is the possible ramifications in the state of Illinois on any legislature he voted on there. This can of worms could be huge and far reaching. I am thinking the powers that be may be deciding for us that it is better to keep the flow of things, even if it means breaking the constitution, than it is to look at the mess the truth being revealed would create. That is MHO.
This could be a problem. I am not aware of my state (PA) even having a long form kept on file.Quote:
5. 2010 and 2012 Elections: I hope by the time the next elections roll around in 2010, states will have passed laws where a candidate for ANY public office, especially a
candidate for Representative, Senator, Vice-President, and President of the United States, will be required to present a long form birth certificate, the one with the doctor's and hospital's names on it.
I got a new copy of my BC a couple yrs ago when mine got ruined. Also, I was adopted, so my original, at-birth documents are sealed.
Anyone else in a similar situation might have the same problems. There would have to be some sort of special provisions for those who have been adopted, especially those adopted through the state-run foster care agencies.
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Are you saying that Obama was adopted?
I am aware that he was adopted by his step-father, but that wouldn't seal his original documents. I was specifically referring to others like myself, who were adopted by foster families through the state-run foster care agencies. I couldn't get my original, birth-parent birth certificate if I wanted to. My records have been sealed by the courts. The only BC I have is with my adoptive parents' names.Quote:
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I am in no way supporting King Hussein O ... I am simply saying that if someone were to run for a public office, requiring the 'original long form' will be more difficult for foster children who were adopted. With 2 million kids in foster care at any given moment, I believe the situation might arise. I have even considered running for local town council, but this new law would hinder that possibility.
I don't know what the solution would be.
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I think the solution would be that within the language of the law, they include a clause that states something to affect that with the production of adoption papers and the original certified copy of the modified birth cert showing the adoptive parents names. They can then mandate that an officer of the court be able to unseal the original birth cert and release in affidavit form the date of birth and place (state or country) of birth. This would be used exclusively in cases of adoption and proof of that adoption MUST be submitted to go this route. This would ensure the original privacy guarantees that the original sealing had attempted to provide, while also proving eligibility for office.
I happen to be one of the few who knows their birth parents. While my birth father died in the late 80's, my birth mother lives five minutes away from me. I really think some provision of this type needs to be included. I'm sending it along to Daryl Metcalfe.Quote:
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You are lucky, I have two adopted cousins, both who have sealed records and my aunt refuses to give either boy (now men in their 30's) any info. I was there when the youngest was adopted and remember his birth name. My aunt has not talked to me in 5 years because as his 30th birthday present, I told him all I knew. I felt he was now an adult and this was his right.Quote:
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I am aware that he was adopted by his step-father, but that wouldn't seal his original documents.Quote:
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Excuse me. You say above that you are aware that Obama was adopted by his step-father?
Do you realize that the Obama camp denies that Obama was ever adopted by his stepfather, Soetoro?
My point is this: If Obama ever admits that he was adopted by Indonesia n citizen stepfather Soetoro, then that would cause chaos into the issue of whether or not Obama is eligible to become President of the United States.
This is a complete travesty.......I have no other words to explain how bad I feel right now.....The American constituntion has been trampled on and we the people have been told to accept it and shut up. Obama is above the law, so is his family.....i think we have all been tricked into believing that our govt. even enforces any law unless it inconvenience and tear American family's apart just to keep cops employed and to keep the money flowing in!!
Im done with our leaders and our judges, I thought that you have to have your head attached to your shoulders to be a judge but in reality it seems that it needs to be attached to your butt. :evil: :x :cry:
GOOD article..!! :wink:Quote:
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[quote="cayla99"][quote="MinutemanCDC_SC"][size=117]Note: LINKS in the embedded text below :wink::
Except for the diehard kool-aid merchants, most people who have read the extensive documentation on this are convinced that Sen. Obama et al are hiding something very damaging. He has sealed not only his long form Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth, but his medical records, his admission and financial aid records from Occidental College, Columbia University, Harvard Law School - indeed, any record that might have required the original long form "vault copy" of his birth certificate.
A lawsuit in Honolulu in the First District Court is seeking a court-order to open Obama's sealed birth records. Obama has thus far neglected a Freedom of Information request for the records at two hospitals in Hawaii.
Lawsuits in Washington, Georgia, California, Florida, Pennsylvania, New York, Connecticut, and Ohio have sought or are seeking state Superior Courts to force the states' Secretaries of State, as the chief state elections officers, to perform their state constitutional duties to require original certifying birth records from Mr. Obama that would verify his birth in Hawaii.
Philip Berg's months-long lawsuit in Federal Court in Philadelphia reached a dramatic plateau as Mr. Obama and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) failed to respond to the court that Mr. Obama is not a natural born U.S. Citizen and therefore not qualified to run for office of President of the U.S. They admitted to Obama's non-qualification by their failure to respond to a 30-day court ordered discovery in which Obama and the DNC were ordered to answer a petition by Berg. [url=http://comments.obamacrimes.com]After the Federal court dismissed the case for “lack of standing,â€
The King Hussein O camp denied all kinds of things. What's your point? Just because they're in denial doesn't mean it isn't true.Quote:
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I believe Atty Philip Berg over an Obot any day.
Besides, I've SEEN that school record from the school in Indonesia. It says his name was Barry Soetoro and his religion listed as MUSLIM, citizen of Indonesia. I followed links from here at ALIPAC and found it just last week.
Citizen Wells
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The King Hussein O camp denied all kinds of things. What's your point? Just because they're in denial doesn't mean it isn't true.Quote:
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I believe Atty Philip Berg over an Obot any day.
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I guess I didn't make myself clear: I agree with Atty Berg that Obama is not eligible to be president of the United States.
Until I see Obama's long Hawaii birth certificate---the one with names of the birth doctor and the birth hospital from Aug. 4, 1961--- I say that Obama is trying to hide some details on that long form birth certificate that could hurt his chances to be the next President of the United States.
My point is this: No one could be aware that Obama was adopted by his Indonesian citiizen stepfather Soetoro, because no one has ever claimed to have seen any adoption papers nor has anyone been able to prove that they even exist.
Wow, ..there's a TON of info JUST ON the ‘Citizen Wells’ site..! 8OQuote:
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PS: Click ‘Front Page’ at the top for the most current info.. :wink: