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As opposed to "statutorily a natural-born citizen"? :lol: 8O :roll: :lol:Quote:
http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200804/041008c.html
EXCERPT OF SECRETARY CHERTOFF TESTIMONY FROM APRIL 2, 2008: (Resolution 511)
Chairman Leahy. We will come back to that. I would mention one other thing, if I might, Senator Specter. Let me just ask this: I believe–and we have had some question in this Committee to have a special law passed declaring that Senator McCain, who was born in the Panama Canal, that he meets the constitutional requirement to be President. I fully believe he does. I have never had any question in my mind that he meets our constitutional requirement. You are a former Federal judge. You are the head of the agency that executes Federal immigration law. Do you have any doubt in your mind–I mean, I have none in mine. Do you have any doubt in your mind that he [Sen. McCain] is constitutionally eligible to become President?
Secretary Chertoff. My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen.
Chairman Leahy. That is mine, too. Thank you.
Sec. Chertoff's definition or understanding does not by itself rule out the alternate possibility, derived from British Common Law, that a person might be a natural-born citizen by birth on U.S. soil alone, regardless of the citizenship status of one or both parents. But such a definition inappropriately equates Amendment 14 citizenship with natural born citizenship.
"Natural born citizen" status occurs naturally at birth, without the application of any statute to make it so. To rule that out requires something additional (not a statute), although I'm not sure what that would be, given that "natural born citizen" is a status which is axiomatic, that is, not defined by statute.
Does anyone have an update on this case?
http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-179675.html
Formal treason charges filed against Barrack Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, reach Monroe County Tennessee Grand Jury - Tuesday December 1, 2009
BORN IN THE USA?
Scalia: You need 4 votes for Obama eligibility case
Lawyer confronts justice about prez's qualifications
Posted: March 10, 2009
9:19 pm Eastern
By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily
Antonin Scalia
A lawyer lobbying the U.S. Justice Department and the U.S. Supreme Court
for a review of Barack Obama's qualifications to be president says a key conservative justice has hinted that another conservative justice has been voting against hearing the dispute.
According to Orly Taitz, a California attorney working through her Defend Our Freedoms Foundation on several cases challenging Obama, said she was presented with an opportunity to ask a question of Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia yesterday.
The issue of Obama's eligibility has been raised before the Supreme Court at least four times already but has yet to be given a single hearing. Cases have been brought by Taitz, Philip Berg, Cort Wrotnowski and Leo Donofrio.
While the requests have been heard "in conference
" by the justices, no hearings have resulted on the evidence. WND previously has reported that cases brought to individual justices on an emergency basis can be discussed in such conferences, but they need the affirmative vote from four justices before a hearing on the merits can be scheduled.
The Supreme Court today is considered to have mainly a 4-4 conservative-liberal split, with one swing vote on most issues. On the conservative side generally are Chief Justice John Roberts, Justice Samuel Alito, Scalia and Justice Clarence Thomas. Justice Anthony Kennedy often is the swing vote. The liberal side frequently includes Justices Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, David Souter and John Paul Stevens.
Where's the proof Barack Obama was born in the U.S. or that he fulfills the "natural-born American" clause in the Constitution? If you still want to see it, join more than 300,000 others and sign up now!
No explanations on the court's response to the Obama citizenship issue have been offered until now.
Taitz reported she attended a reception for Scalia and stood "right by the mic, just to make sure I have an opportunity to ask a question. Only four lawyers out of about 300 in the audience got to ask their questions and I was lucky to be one of them."
She said, "I told Scalia that I was an attorney that filed Lightfoot v. Bowen that Chief Justice Roberts distributed for conference on Jan. 23 and now I represent nine state reps and 120 military officers, many of them high ranked, and I want to know if they will hear Quo Warranto and if they would hear it on original jurisdiction, if I bring Hawaii as an additional defendant to unseal the records and ascertain Obama's legitimacy for presidency."
Taitz said she had some worries asking the question.
"I have to say that I prepared myself to a lot of boo-ing, knowing that Los Angeles trial lawyers and entertainment elite are Obama's stronghold, however there was no boo-ing, no negative remarks," she said. "I actually could see a lot of approving nods, smiles, many gasped and listened intensely. I could tell, that even Obama's strongest supporters wanted to know the answer.
"Scalia stated that it would be heard if I can get four people to hear it. He repeated, you need four for the argument. I got a feeling that he was saying that one of these four that call themselves constitutionalists went to the other side," Taitz said.
"He did not say that it is a political question, he did not say that it is for the legislature to decide. For example, right after me another attorney has asked him about his case of taxing some Internet commerce and right away Scalia told him that he should address it with the legislature. He did not say it to me. He did not say that Quo Warranto is antiquated or not appropriate. No, just get four," she said.
She then bought Scalia's book and waited in line to get it autographed.
"I gave him the books to sign and asked, 'Tell me what to do, what can I do, those soldiers [her plaintiffs] can be court-martialed for asking a legitimate question, who is the president, is he legitimate.' He said, 'Bring the case, I'll hear it, I don't know about others.'"
Taitz' latest effort is a case of Quo Warranto submitted to U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder.
The legal phrase essentially means an explanation is being demanded for what authority Obama is using to act as president. An online constitutional resource says Quo Warranto "affords the only judicial remedy for violations of the Constitution by public officials and agents."
The plaintiffs allege Obama failed to submit prima facie evidence of his qualifications before Jan. 20, 2009.
"Election officers failed to challenge, validate or evaluate his qualifications. Relators submit that as president elect, Respondent Obama failed [tO] qualify per U.S. CONST. Amend. XX [paragraph] 3," the document said.
John Eidsmoe, an expert on the U.S. Constitution working with the Foundation on Moral Law, said the demand is a legitimate course of action.
"She basically is asking, 'By what authority' is Obama president," he told WND. "In other words, 'I want you to tell me by what authority. I don't really think you should hold the office.'"
Taitz said Americans should flood Holder's office with calls, e-mails and faxes, urging him to take action on the case.
WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption
of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."
Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.
Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.
Although Obama officials have told WND all such allegations are "garbage," here is a partial listing and status update for some of the cases over Obama's eligibility:
* New Jersey attorney Mario Apuzzo has filed a case on behalf of Charles Kerchner and others alleging Congress didn't properly ascertain that Obama is qualified to hold the office of president.
* Pennsylvania Democrat Philip Berg has three cases pending, including Berg vs. Obama in the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, a separate Berg vs. Obama which is under seal at the U.S. District Court level and Hollister vs. Soetoro a/k/a Obama, (now dismissed) brought on behalf of a retired military member who could be facing recall to active duty by Obama.
* Leo Donofrio of New Jersey filed a lawsuit claiming Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. His case was considered in conference by the U.S. Supreme Court but denied a full hearing.
* Cort Wrotnowski filed suit against Connecticut's secretary of state, making a similar argument to Donofrio. His case was considered in conference by the U.S. Supreme Court, but was denied a full hearing.
* Former presidential candidate Alan Keyes headlines a list of people filing a suit in California, in a case handled by the United States Justice Foundation, that asks the secretary of state to refuse to allow the state's 55 Electoral College votes to be cast in the 2008 presidential election until Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office. The case is pending, and lawyers are seeking the public's support.
* Chicago attorney Andy Martin sought legal action requiring Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle to release Obama's vital statistics record. The case was dismissed by Hawaii Circuit Court Judge Bert Ayabe.
* Lt. Col. Donald Sullivan sought a temporary restraining order to stop the Electoral College vote in North Carolina until Barack Obama's eligibility could be confirmed, alleging doubt about Obama's citizenship. His case was denied.
* In Ohio, David M. Neal sued to force the secretary of state to request documents from the Federal Elections Commission, the Democratic National Committee, the Ohio Democratic Party and Obama to show the presidential candidate was born in Hawaii. The case was denied.
* Also in Ohio, there was the Greenberg v. Brunner case which ended when the judge threatened to assess all case costs against the plaintiff.
* In Washington state, Steven Marquis sued the secretary of state seeking a determination on Obama's citizenship. The case was denied.
* In Georgia, Rev. Tom Terry asked the state Supreme Court to authenticate Obama's birth certificate. His request for an injunction against Georgia's secretary of state was denied by Georgia Superior Court Judge Jerry W. Baxter.
* California attorney Orly Taitz has brought a case, Lightfoot vs. Bowen, on behalf of Gail Lightfoot, the vice presidential candidate on the ballot with Ron Paul, four electors and two registered voters.
In addition, other cases cited on the RightSideofLife blog as raising questions about Obama's eligibility include:
* In Texas, Darrel Hunter vs. Obama later was dismissed.
* In Ohio, Gordon Stamper vs. U.S. later was dismissed.
* In Texas, Brockhausen vs. Andrade.
* In Washington, L. Charles Cohen vs. Obama.
* In Hawaii, Keyes vs. Lingle, dismissed.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=91345
Big Obama Treason Grand Jury Today in Tennessee (Update: Decision Expected Next Week)
By Roy Edroso
Tuesday, Dec. 1 2009 @ 2:24PM
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninsca ... _treas.php
Well, now we're finally getting somewhere with the patriotic movement to remove traitor Barry Soetoro from the White House! Mother Jones reports a cowboy named Walter Fitzpatrick III, aka The JAG Hunter ( http://thejaghunter.wordpress.com/?s=dale ), has filed a complaint in Monroe County, Tennessee and will address a grand jury hearing today ( http://www.motherjones.com/politics/200 ... roe-county ) -- and not before one of those "citizen grand juries" ( http://www.motherjones.com/politics/200 ... roe-county ) that were the thing last summer, but a real inside-the-courthouse deal. In fact, Monroe County has been most obliging in this matter, as Fitzpatrick got to read his accusation of treason ( http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory ... 755&cat=14 ) in Monroe County courthouse in August. No indictment was returned at the time, but Fitzpatrick is doubtless better prepared now.
"The road to justice has been bumpy," reports a sympathetic Canada Free Press ( http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/17303 ): "Fitzpatrick had to go so far as to file criminal obstruction charges against Grand Jury Foreman Pettway before he would gain access to the court." Our Northern patriot allies offer legal analysis, too: "If the Grand Jury has any doubts about Fitzpatrick's testimony, they must arrest him for perjury on the spot. If they don't arrest him for perjury, they are accepting his testimony as true and accurate."
God, Guns and Free Speech ( http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/17303 ) approves and adds a friend's comment: "It's a sad testament to a FREE America when we have to get any truth from the news media from another country."
We will provide coverage later of Obama being hauled off to prison on the inevitable Monroe County warrant.
Update: They only offered Fitzpatrick a three-man panel today, says WVLT, which he took amiss; nonetheless he spoke to them and findings are expected on December 7th. ( http://www.volunteertv.com/home/headlines/78267717.html )
"Walter really went into detail about his continuing fight on the Treason and Fraud charges," a supporter reported afterward ( http://www.volunteertv.com/home/headlines/78267717.html ), "and also about the Pendleton Eight" -- Marines and a Navy corpsman charged with the murder of an Iraqi citizen in 2006; they pleaded out in 2007 ( http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19543 ) . "I can not see how the Monroe County Jury could even contemplate not returning a TRUE BILL in favor of handing down the charges..." The correspondent reported the presence of other supporters, including "representatives" of the Constitution Party and the Tea Party Nation.
Commander Fitzpatrick Grand Jury hearing - a report from Phil Dedrick who was there
December 1st, 2009
http://americangrandjury.org/commander- ... -was-there
newsletterGreetings everyone,
We are getting lots of emails asking what happened today at the Monroe County Courthouse where Lt. Commander Walter Fitzpatrick III was scheduled to testify before the Grand Jury.
The Jury will not decide for a few days but an American Grand Jury member, Phil Dedrick was there.
Here is what Phil had to say:
Bob,
Just got back from Commander Walter Kitzpatrick’s county of Monroe, 270 miles one way and I am really tired… My 86 yr.old father in law who fought in France, Germany, and Italy during WW2, my wife, and myself made the trip leaving at 2:30AM CST this morning and we are just now getting back at 4PM CST…
Walter really went into detail about his continuing fight on the Treason and Fraud charges and also about the Pendleton Eight..
Outside the courthouse with 36 supporters who showed up from Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama, and Iowa… I also advised the crowd that The AGJ will be incorporating the Pendleton 8 in it’s next Jury… Even Channel 10 WBIR from Knoxville showed up and listened to all of Walter’s story today… With the big box and back pack that had all of Walters evidence, I can not see how the Monroe County Jury could even contemplate not returning a TRUE BILL in favor of handing down the charges…
Representatives who showed up are from these following organizations:
(Tennessee Patriots from ResistNet.com)
(2 Un-Named individuals with Tennessee OathKeepers)
(TN. SonsOfLiberty.org President, Phil Hoffman, (Constitution Party of Tennessee 1st Vice State Chairman, Mr. Jim Headings, Mr. Doyle Pritchard and 6 more member un-named, they are also with the Tea Party Nation)
(Unknown??? County, Chairman from The Constitution Party of TN., Mr. Corky McDonald)
(Mike Williams, McMinn County, TN. Tea Party)
(Dorothy Cook, John Coker, and Barry Toomey with the TeaPartyNation, Athens, TN.)
(Jerry Henderson, Unknown Organization)
(Naomi Swanson with Chattanooga Patriots, but from Dalton, GA.)
(Joy Duval with Chattanooga Patriots/SmartGirlsPolitics.com)
(J.K. Williams and several other Smokey Mountain 9/12′ers)
(Glenda Marshall with Unknown Organization)
(and several un-named supporters totaling 36 supporters)…
My group left after Walter went into the Grand Jury room because we learned today that the Grand Jury will give their decision in a few days and not today…
Phil Dedrick
[quote="HighlanderJuan"]Commander Fitzpatrick Grand Jury hearing - a report from Phil Dedrick who was there
December 1st, 2009
http://americangrandjury.org/commander- ... -was-there
newsletterGreetings everyone,
We are getting lots of emails asking what happened today at the Monroe County Courthouse where Lt. Commander Walter Fitzpatrick III was scheduled to testify before the Grand Jury.
The Jury will not decide for a few days but an American Grand Jury member, Phil Dedrick was there.
Here is what Phil had to say:
Bob,
Just got back from Commander Walter Kitzpatrick’s county of Monroe, 270 miles one way and I am really tired… My 86 yr.old father in law who fought in France, Germany, and Italy during WW2, my wife, and myself made the trip leaving at 2:30AM CST this morning and we are just now getting back at 4PM CST…
Walter really went into detail about his continuing fight on the Treason and Fraud charges and also about the Pendleton Eight..
Outside the courthouse with 36 supporters who showed up from Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama, and Iowa… I also advised the crowd that The AGJ will be incorporating the Pendleton 8 in it’s next Jury… Even Channel 10 WBIR from Knoxville showed up and listened to all of Walter’s story today… With the big box and back pack that had all of Walters evidence, I can not see how the Monroe County Jury could even contemplate not returning a TRUE BILL in favor of handing down the charges…
Representatives who showed up are from these following organizations:
(Tennessee Patriots from ResistNet.com)
(2 Un-Named individuals with Tennessee OathKeepers)
(TN. SonsOfLiberty.org President, Phil Hoffman, (Constitution Party of Tennessee 1st Vice State Chairman, Mr. Jim Headings, Mr. Doyle Pritchard and 6 more member un-named, they are also with the Tea Party Nation)
(Unknown??? County, Chairman from The Constitution Party of TN., Mr. Corky McDonald)
(Mike Williams, McMinn County, TN. Tea Party)
(Dorothy Cook, John Coker, and Barry Toomey with the TeaPartyNation, Athens, TN.)
(Jerry Henderson, Unknown Organization)
(Naomi Swanson with Chattanooga Patriots, but from Dalton, GA.)
(Joy Duval with Chattanooga Patriots/SmartGirlsPolitics.com)
(J.K. Williams and several other Smokey Mountain 9/12′ers)
(Glenda Marshall with Unknown Organization)
(and several un-named supporters totaling 36 supporters)…
My group left after Walter went into the Grand Jury room because we learned today that the Grand Jury will give their decision in a few days and not today…
Phil Dedrick[/quote
Thanks Highlander but please expand as best you can on what this means in real life? Is this an exercise in rhetoric or futility? Not trying to sound defeatist but just want to understand the real world implications of such an effort.
Posting updates on that thread now butterbean.Quote:
Originally Posted by butterbean
The rest of you might also want to take a peak, I am just being nice to W and not posting in both places
Actually, Cayla's post gives us some answers to your question.Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasBorn
My take is that Cmdr Fitzpatrick isn't putting up with any crap (that's one reason why I love the military - they are usually very task oriented), and he's now going after the Grand Jury foreman who resisted him in the beginning. That's a good thing.
In general, my feelings and beliefs are that if we have any amount of justice left in America, this effort will show some results. I get very concerned about intimidation of the judiciary by the Chicago administration, and we may see some side effects of that if the grand jury indictment goes through. Remember, this is not an eligibility question Fitzpatrick is trying to answer - he has filed treason charges against Obama, and that is a whole different kettle of fish.
Further Highlander sayeth not.
Thanks everyone! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by cayla99
The hearing, presumably on Dec. 7, ("a date that shall live in infamy,") is in Madisonville, Tennessee, 40 miles southwest of Knoxville (towards Chattanooga). It is a 65 minute drive from Knoxville by way of I-75; take the Sweetwater exit.
The Monroe County hearing is before three representatives of a Grand Jury, not a citizen grand jury. Some relevant links:
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/17303
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/site/comments/
obama-treason-charges-advance-in-tennessee-grand-jury/P72
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/american-grand-jury
http://americangrandjury.org/forum/blogtalk/chat.php
Whatever your opinion of citizen grand juries, American Grand Jury has a good presentation page at
http://americangrandjury.org/public/
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=117857
The military's moral dilemma
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Posted: December 04, 2009
1:00 am Eastern
By Herman Welch
© 2009
If President Obama wants any credibility among our warfighters, he must perform an "about face" and show himself as an example to follow.
Why was there noticeable awkwardness and silence when the president addressed our future officers at the United States Military Academy? Maybe our warriors are looking for a commander who is on the same leadership journey they are, but, the best that they try, they can't make the connection – because he doesn't share their experience or understand the character of their calling.
Today, all American citizens and legal immigrants volunteering to serve in our Armed Forces must first present their original birth certificate, naturalization certificate or alien registration card along with other required marriage, medical and education documents when applying. Next, they complete, in transparent detail, their personal history in a National Security Questionnaire. Finally, they sign both general and medical release of information authority over to the military. These volunteers are vulnerable to the scrutiny of police record checks and further security investigations. Lying, to include nondisclosure, is a felony. Military recruiters then set off to gather any and every necessary document to qualify our youth to serve in their elected branch of our armed services.
After joining and completing initial training, many new service members deploy to war; some don't return. Very few others, but some, will be discharged for lying on enlistment records. Others will be denied security clearances or have them revoked for reasons of false or misleading information or criminal conduct. Military commanders address these types of offenses within their command authority and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
Whether a three-year enlistment or 30-year career, service members live under military authority and law their entire time in service.
Moments of self-inflicted discomfort preside when President Obama is around those in the military. The reason: Many in uniform look up and honestly ask how their commander in chief passed muster to serve at the head of their ranks by averting reliable disclosure of very basic entry-level documentation and screening.
Check out WND's full line of eligibility products – bumper stickers, post cards, DVDs and more!
There are no conspiracy theories. No politics. Military service members strongly desire that their highest leader inspires with unshakeable candor and decisive competence. Soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines understand the accountability required of them for the honor of wearing their uniforms and reasonably expect the same from their CinC.
The president chose not to set an example by evading legitimate congressional verification of his eligibility to run for the office he now holds, especially when facts surrounding his candidacy call many legitimate eligibility and character issues into question. Nondisclosure of the president's education, medical, passport and other records raises far more questions than provides answers. Why are documents related to relevant questions withheld from many lawful public requests for inspection, and why is every attempt for court rulings silenced? Furthermore, the president has not released the first document presented by the overwhelming majority of our children when they join the military – a full birth certificate. This behavior is alien to military culture.
Where was he born? How does anyone honestly know?
Obama's campaign, his family and other media sources each cited his birth at Queen's Medical Center, Hawaii, until that claim was investigated and the assertions dropped. Then-Sen. Obama next published an official short-form record alluding to his birth being at Kapi'olani Hospital, Hawaii. Interestingly, Hawaiian residents born the day after him in 1961, at the same hospital – and who were his school classmates – have had their full birth certificates publicly revealed. Hawaii government officials have verified the president's birth but cannot release his documents for reasons of privacy. Yet Hawaii state personal records are easily and legally acquired by civilian lawyers and military recruiters on behalf of others quite frequently.
Is the president a U.S. Citizen? Probably. Is the president a natural-born citizen? Possibly. Is the president setting an example our military can follow? No.
In the U.S. Military, the burden of proof for establishing all qualifications rests with the applicant. The Defense Department has a tangible interest and legal standing to indisputably verify the character, health and background of all who serve in it. When questions arise during the accessions process, greater disclosure is mandated and further investigation required.
(Column continues below)
Seventeen-year-old military enlistees easily and quickly provide their original full citizenship verification documents when asked. Why can't a grown man, former senator and current president do the same? What is he hiding? It is the president who has created the integrity and trust gap between himself and our service members fighting our wars.
City hall records departments, hospitals, universities and agencies in various states will release President Obama's records if he signs a release of information to do so. Strange that everyone serving in our nation's defense has no choice but to sign full releases regarding their private information – but the president exempts himself.
During the four years of this administration, military recruiters will sadly deny many living in America the right to serve in our Armed Forces due to valid disqualifications. Likewise, military commanders and courts will punish, and sometimes imprison, service members due to misleading and criminal behavior. Yet honor, integrity, courage and selfless service will still be the high calling of all attending our military academies, ROTC programs and basic-training centers.
The very cadets looking up at the president as he spoke at West Point will one day take command. They will be leaders exercising the president's authority in justice over infractions of their own soldiers.
How can we effectively maintain military morale and discipline when our service members look all the way up through the chain of command – and the man at the top of that list will not step on the road of transparency, accountability and integrity they each must walk on and possibly give their lives on?
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Herman Welch is a 28-year veteran of the U.S. Army who resides in Hawaii. The views expressed in this article are those of the author and are not the official views of the Department of Defense.
Timothy Baldwin believes our Constitution is dead. Do you?
http://www.scribd.com/doc/23709885/Timo ... nstitution
I realize that this is included in the attached website but I believe it bears repeating. If this is true, is seems to me to be damning evidence that we are in a world of hurt!! If Fox News indeed conducted this investigation, why didn't they air it?
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NOBODY REMEMBERS OBAMA AT COLUMBIA
Looking for evidence of Obama’s past, Fox News contacted 400 Columbia University students from the period when Obama claims to have been there, but none remembered him.Wayne Allyn Root was, like Obama, a political science major at Columbia who also graduated in 1983. In 2008, Root says of Obama, “I don’t know a single person at Columbia that knew him, and they all know me.
I don’t have a classmate who ever knew Barack Obama at Columbia
. Ever! Nobody recalls him. I’m not exaggerating, I’m not kidding.â€
As a comment at orlytaitzesq.com, Bob wrote:
From [U.S. DIstrict Judge David O.] Carter's Ruling :
[quote][size=117]After reviewing the moving and opposing papers, the Court finds no factual, legal, or bias grounds upon which to grant the motion for reconsideration. Counsel largely repeats the same arguments made in her briefing and oral argument on the Motion to Dismiss, which is prohibited. To the extent that she does present new argument, it is without merit and does not meet the standard for reconsideration. The Court’s ruling that it lacks jurisdiction, and that Plaintiffs have failed to state a claim on their remaining causes of action, stands.â€
[quote="MinutemanCDC_SC"]As a comment at orlytaitzesq.com, Bob wrote:
From [U.S. DIstrict Judge David O.] Carter's Ruling :
[quote][size=117]After reviewing the moving and opposing papers, the Court finds no factual, legal, or bias grounds upon which to grant the motion for reconsideration. Counsel largely repeats the same arguments made in her briefing and oral argument on the Motion to Dismiss, which is prohibited. To the extent that she does present new argument, it is without merit and does not meet the standard for reconsideration. The Court’s ruling that it lacks jurisdiction, and that Plaintiffs have failed to state a claim on their remaining causes of action, stands.â€
What will Obama say to Nathan Deal?
OFFICIAL REQUEST BY CONGRESSMEN TO SEE OBAMA’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE WILL BE THE STRAW WHICH BREAKS THIS CAMEL’S BACK
Political analysis by John Charlton
Obama's presidential campaign was hailed for its forceful imagery, but after 11 months the public has come to understand the undisputed facts about him, don't fit the requirements of the U.S. Constitution.
(Dec. 4, 2009) — Georgia’s representative in the U.S. House, Nathan Deal announced in early November that he and 10 House colleagues were going to sign a joint letter, asking Obama to publicly reveal his birth certificate,.
The simple enough question was rebuffed and ridiculed by the Main Stream Media, and even the Savannah Morning News, as if a birth certificate was some sort of private journal or diary of past affairs.
The mere fact that the liberals and progressives ridiculed Nathan Deal — whose only interest is to quiet the nation — shows that they have no substantive reason to oppose the request. It further shows that they know that Obama cannot oblige Deal and his co-signatories, for in Democratic circles nothing is a secret.
What will Obama say to Nathan Deal?
The answer must come soon. Deal said that he was to send his letter after Thanksgiving. Any delay on the part of Barack Hussein Obama to oblige Deal, will only further erode his political influence in Washington, D.C..
Obama has been effectively checkmated by the concerted effort of public support, publicized lawsuits on the eligibility question, publicity campaigns such as those of World Net Daily and Charles Kerchner to put the issue in the face of liberals on a constant basis, and blogs and bloggers the world over.
If Obama obliges him, then the online image of a Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) provided by his campaign will be proven a forgery, according to the consensus of opinion of citizens who have studied the images posted on the net and found some images of the allegedly same document, contain a HI State seal and some do not.
If Obama does refuses, however, it will only further confirm that he has something to hide.
Palins remark that it is a valid issue and Ogden’s resignation as Deputy U.S. Attorney General in the same week, following the sending of Nathan Deal’s letter, appear to be diagnostic signs that the political establishment understands the risks and imminent crisis about to break. The publicity garnered by the testimony of the U.S. Marine, who goes by the nik, Race Bannon, only further tilt the Obama regime towards political implosion.
Even the pulse of Obama’s political support on the net tells the tale: a lull and quiet among them posting comments at opposition blogs is noticeable. There remain only the violent, the perverse and the somewhat mad to carry on the cheers of “Change,â€
Leo's back. Well, almost back. 'NBCitizen' is accumulating his docs and listing them at:
http://nborncitizens.wordpress.com/
Interestingly enough, the first reference is my doc up on Scribd dubbed: Leo Donofrio - Quo Warranto expanded.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/23227876/Leo- ... o-expanded
What a kick.
Quote:
Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan
We should be surprised? You have many good posts, because you are diligent, focused, motivated, and well-spoken.
Thanks, MinuteMan. I was told yesterday by an online attorney that I just don't understand the law. I confirmed his opinion of me by admitting that I am dumber than a post. Made him happy, I'm sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC
Good words are always appreciated. Thanks again.
Sarah Palin Goes 'Birther': Obama Birth Certificate 'A Fair Question' (VIDEO)
Sarah Palin declared on Thursday that the legitimacy of President Obama's birth certificate is "rightfully" an issue with the American public, and that it is "fair game" for politicians to question Obama's citizenship.
The comments came during an interview with conservative radio host Rusty Humphries, who asked Palin whether she planned to "make the birth certificate an issue" if she runs for president in 2012.
"I think the public rightfully is still making it an issue," Palin said. "I don't have a problem with that. I don't know if I would have to bother to make it an issue, because I think that members of the electorate still want answers."
Humphries -- who began the interview with a rendition of the song "Sarah, Queen Of The Wild Frontier" -- followed up: "Do you think it's a fair question to be looking at?"
"I think it's a fair question just like I think past associations and past voting records. All of that is fair game," Palin responded, adding that "the McCain-Palin campaign didn't do a good enough job in that area. We didn't call out Obama and some of his associates on their records and what their beliefs were, and perhaps what their future plans were, and I don't think that was fair to voters to not have done our job as candidates and a campaign to bring to light a lot of things that now we're seeing manifest in the administration."
Palin later referenced "that weird conspiracy theory freaky thing that people talk about that Trig isn't my real son, and a lot of people that went 'Well, you need to produce his birth certificate, you need to prove that he's your kid,' which we have done, but yeah, so maybe we can reverse that, and use the same [inaudible] thinking on the other one."
UPDATE: At 1:16 AM ET, Palin posted the following on her Facebook page:
Stupid Conspiracies
Voters have every right to ask candidates for information if they so choose. I've pointed out that it was seemingly fair game during the 2008 election for many on the left to badger my doctor and lawyer for proof that Trig is in fact my child. Conspiracy-minded reporters and voters had a right to ask... which they have repeatedly. But at no point - not during the campaign, and not during recent interviews - have I asked the president to produce his birth certificate or suggested that he was not born in the United States.
FactCheck.org has done the most comprehensive debunking of the various conspiracy theories related to Obama's citizenship. Here is their bottom line:
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."
We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/0 ... 79634.html
12/7/09 6:33pm - No news from Madisonville, TN, about Commander Fitzpatrick's petition
to the Monroe County grand jury to indict Mr. Obama for treason.
Several days after a visit by two Secret Service agents and two DHS law enforcement officers,
the Rev. James David Manning of http://www.atlah.org has been "suspended" from YouTube.
I would not expect Huffington and Factcheck to give fair reviews of the eligibility subject matter or Sarah Palin's comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by 93camaro
For example, another 'serious' article on Huff's site indicated that Palin left Hawaii because of the Asian influence. Really?
Quote:
"But Palin's father, Chuck Heath, gave a different account to Conroy and Walshe. According to him, the presence of so many Asians and Pacific Islanders made her uncomfortable: "They were a minority type thing and it wasn't glamorous, so she came home." In any case, Palin reports that she much preferred her last stop, the University of Idaho, "because it was much like Alaska yet still 'Outside.' ""
This is how character assassinations get started. The big joke is that the Asians are already hugely prejudiced against other nationalities and races as described in "The Asian Mind Game" by Chin-Ning Chu, and so I'm not certain how effective this bogus Huff message will get across to the Asians.
It's all liberal crap.
Pat Condell was also banned from YouTube for his comments on the Islamist problem in the UK and in Europe, but he's back. Apparently too many viewers complained. Maybe we'll see the good reverend again soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC
Post script:
He's back, with comments about his having been banned five times from YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/user/ATLAHWorldwide
with a whole bunch of clients!
http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-7715 ... -and-Obama
Cars, quo warranto, and Obama
With so many lawsuits filed every day in America, one more might seem irrelevant. There is one however that should be watched, but will most likely escape notice. For a little while at any rate…
Last summer, hundreds of Chrysler and GM Dealers lost their franchises in the Chrysler bankruptcy sale. Many of those dealers vowed to fight what they saw as a heavy miscarriage of justice. It was simply un-American, and shocking to find that something like this could happen here, that the government could take over a private business, and then take that business away from hundreds of private dealerships. Many of those dealers had profitable businesses; in some cases those businesses had been run by families successfully for 50 years, in some cases more.
Neil Cavuto welcomed former Chrysler dealer James Anderer to his show on Fox Business News Daily to talk about a case that has been filed by a group of dealers who lost their businesses in the Washington D.C. District Court. (Update: Cavuto's show was guest hosted by Charles Payne who did the interview) Lead Plaintiff Anderer mentioned a team of legal experts while describing the case to Cavuto, and an anonymous source has named Leo Donofrio and Steve Pidgeon as having been retained by a group of Chrysler dealers who lost their franchise in the Chrysler bankruptcy sale. They have been retained to bring two actions:
1. A motion to reconsider the Court's approval of the dealer rejections.
2. A quo warranto in the D.C. District Court pertaining to Obama and his administration.
The Bankruptcy case will be brought in the Southern district of New York Bankruptcy Court, the Quo Warranto will be brought in the Washington D.C. District court, the only court in the nation where a Quo Warranto can be filed against a sitting President.
This case may initially slide under the MSM radar; however, it may be the single most serious case to be brought against The Obama Administration and the President himself to date.
:D
It's probably why he stopped blogging and also blocked off the old articles. No need to share the strategy with opposing counsel?
Leo is a pretty high exposure target, and I would think the Obamabots already have a copy of everything he has ever published. He also hasn't been very reserved in his own comments... or maybe he has, and we just thought he was open... Ah, the age of deceit... what would we do without deceit and conspiracy? No new books?Quote:
Originally Posted by FreedomFirst
This will be a really great case to follow.
Praise the Lord! And OOOOH-RAH!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Examiner
Leo Donofrio and Steve Pidgeon together at one venue, backed by auto franchise ex-owners with DEEP POCKETS!
This looks like the main event! Where can we get advance tickets?
Quote:
Originally Posted by CCUSA
Great article CC! It's a wonder how any of our military could serve this usurper POTUS and be able to sleep at night.
Minuteman, Manning has a very good video on Obama at:Quote:
Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC
http://atlah.org/atlahworldwide/?p=1998
He believes that we are being deliberately distracted by the Tea Parties, etc. This man may sound crazy to some but I believe that he just might be a genius.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasBorn
Texas, he may or may not be a genius, but he is certainly NOT crazy. Pastor Manning is on fire with the Holy Spirit.
Download and keep. Replay as needed to fire yourself up. This is truth red-hot from the furnace.
http://www.atlah.org/amnFeaturedVideos/ ... gtodie.flv
A former government bodyguard said, "There is no defense against an enemy who is willing to die for his beliefs."
http://www.atlah.org/amnFeaturedVideos/ ... drawal.flv
If you listen to nothing else, hear this.
http://www.atlah.org/amnFeaturedVideos/ ... erHero.flv
Pastor Manning says the Tea Parties are a diversion that are putting a freeze on the revolution.
http://www.atlah.org/amnFeaturedVideos/ ... lution.flv
Pastor Manning explains that Barack Obama is trying to make peace with the Mus|ims to destroy Israel.
http://atlah.org/amnFeaturedVideos/vide ... fPeace.flv
http://www.atlah.org/amnFeaturedVideos/ ... rorist.flv
Other featured videos from Atlah: http://atlah.org/atlahworldwide/?cat=58
The Google Ad in the banner at Atlah.org reads,
"Official Obama Website
Barack Obama Needs Your Help to
Change Washington. Sign Up Today!
www.BarackObama.com "
A new recruiting strategy? Neutralize your enemies by signing them up?
The statute on QW carves out an exception for "interested party" to file or for anyone who first goes to the AG and is then declined to file - Orly Taitz's problem (one of "too many irons in too many fires") never followed through after AG Holder failed to act. She probably should have noted the defense being entered by Justice Dept. for Obama in every case where DOJ has entered an appearance, the silence from Holder, the need for the AG to appoint a Special Prosecutor due to conflict of interest, and a whole lot of other things besides.Quote:
Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/2401 ... ts?page=58
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/show ... ?p=6059014
http://www.devvy.com/new_site/chrysler_120709.html
[quote][size=150]By: Devvy
December 7, 2009
Two attorneys who have been prominent in the court battles regarding whether Obama is Constitutionally eligibile to be President have joined forces. Leo Donofrio and Stephen Pidgeon represent a group of former Chrysler dealers. These dealers lost their businesses as result of the federal government's intervention and partial take over of Chrysler.
This is a complicated legal undertaking and as I have said in other columns, another learning experience for those of us who are not attorneys and have no legal training. In an effort to make sure I have my facts straight, Leo was gracious enough to spend some time with me this morning on the phone. He would like to make it very clear that this new legal undertaking is on behalf of clients (former Chrysler dealer James Anderer and others) who have retained him and Stephen to act on their behalf and in the best interests first and foremost. If that means settling the case in their best interests of their clients, that is their obligation.
As reported by Dianna Cotter in her December 5, 2009, piece, I specifically asked Leo about the two proposed actions:
1. A motion to reconsider the Court's approval of the dealer rejections.
2. A quo warranto in the D.C. District Court pertaining to Obama and his administration.
Those of us following all these cases have learned the core traditional use of the Quo Warranto is for removing a usurper from office. But Leo has pointed out other traditional uses for the writ of quo warranto as codified in the DC Code:
§ 16-3501. Persons against whom issued; civil action
A quo warranto may be issued from the United States District Court for the District of Columbia in the name of the United States against a person who within the District of Columbia usurps, intrudes into, or unlawfully holds or exercises, a franchise conferred by the United States or a public office of the United States, civil or military. The proceedings shall be deemed a civil action.
Leo points out that the statute not only applies to eligibility, but also to the unlawful "exercise" of authority via public office. At the common law, quo warranto was not only used to challenge usurpation of office but also to challenge illegal government actions and the current quo warranto statute was written as a catch all in this regard. So Leo and Steve will bring two counts under 3501, eligibility and illegal use of Government funds. The second count refers to the use of TARP funds to facilitate the Chrysler Bankruptcy sale.
The 2d Circuit Court of Appeals dealt with this issue as raised by creditors of Chrysler in an appeal of the Sale transaction to which the dealers were not a party. In that decision, the Court of Appeals stated that the issue raised "interesting and unresolved issues", but the appellants did not have standing based upon their limited injuries. The Chrylser dealers have the requisite injury - loss of their franchises - to meet the standing requirements. They will raise the issue in the quo warranto petition before the DC District Court.
You may recall that former Treasury Secretary Paulson refused to use TARP funds to bail out the auto industry indicating that to do so was not proper under the statute. A Congressional bill to allow TARP funds to be used for that purpose failed in the Senate, but the Obama administration went forward with it anyway.
Donofrio and Pidgeon also plan a third quo warranto count based upon 16-3521(2) of the quo warranto statute which states:
A quo warranto may be issued from the Superior Court of the District of Columbia in the name of the District of Columbia against...
(2) one or more persons who act as a corporation within the District of Columbia without being duly authorized, or exercise within the District of Columbia corporate rights, privileges, or franchises not granted them by law in force in the District of Columbia. The proceedings shall be deemed a civil action.
In other words, the actions taken by the government were an illegal exercise of corporate authority. The government has acted as a political agent (acting as board of directors) against corporations using taxpayer money to restructure the auto industry under their vision.
As to the time frame for filing of these lawsuits, Leo indicated it would be soon. He isn't trying to be vague, but rather it is important sometimes for lawyers in these types of high profile, complicated cases to keep things 'close to the vest' until the actual date of filing. Additionally, situations can be fluid and attorneys have to adjust their strategy to deal with changes as the situations develop.
Obama was and always will be constitutionally ineligible to serve as president of these united States of America because he was not a natural born citizen at birth. However, one step at a time as we see how this effort develops.
Related links:
Senators seek answers on auto dealer closures
"The Obama administration is not directly involved with the negotiations, and would disagree with any congressional action to overturn what it called “exceptionally complicatedâ€
http://www.therightsideoflife.com/2009/ ... authority/
[quote][size=150]Tuesday, December 8, 2009 update:
Attorneys Leo Donofrio and Stephen Pidgeon recently spoke with Bob Unruh at WorldNetDaily.com (h/t @KatyinIndy):
As part of the demand for information about the authority used, Donofrio confirmed, there will be questions about Obama’s eligibility to be president. Donofrio contends that since by Obama’s own admission his father never was a U.S. citizen, Obama was born a dual citizen. The framers of the Constitution, he argues, did not consider a dual citizen to be a “natural born citizenâ€
[quote="FreedomFirst"]http://www.therightsideoflife.com/2009/12/08/donofrio-pidgeon-on-quo-warranto-eligibility-illegal-use-of-funds-exercise-of-authority/
[quote][size=150]Tuesday, December 8, 2009 update:
Attorneys Leo Donofrio and Stephen Pidgeon recently spoke with Bob Unruh at WorldNetDaily.com (h/t @KatyinIndy):
As part of the demand for information about the authority used, Donofrio confirmed, there will be questions about Obama’s eligibility to be president. Donofrio contends that since by Obama’s own admission his father never was a U.S. citizen, Obama was born a dual citizen. The framers of the Constitution, he argues, did not consider a dual citizen to be a “natural born citizenâ€
No way of knowing ... what would be the fate of the dealerships if there had NOT been TARP money thrown out at the auto manufacturers? One thing for sure, if you take on a client then you're duty bound to communicate all offers from the opposing party and abide by what the client wants done.Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasBorn
The court is going to need to figure out the "what if" of what might have happened without intervention and without TARP funds? That "what if" would be to look at likely outcomes (I suppose) of either a voluntary reorganization in bankruptcy or an involuntary. I'd imagine that such a result was unthinkable to Obama because it would have allowed for abrogating union contracts, and he was too deeply "in to the unions" for their campaign support to ever allow the ordinary workings of the law take place.Quote:
So Leo and Steve will bring two counts under 3501, eligibility and illegal use of Government funds. The second count refers to the use of TARP funds to facilitate the Chrysler Bankruptcy sale.
I'm certain you are right on that point. In some ways, Obama, the man of mystery, is as transparent as glass.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreedomFirst
BORN IN THE USA?
Sean Hannity: 'Where's the birth certificate?'
Talk-show star defends WND's pursuit of eligibility story
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=118435
________________________________________
Posted: December 08, 2009
10:49 pm Eastern
Sean Hannity
WASHINGTON – Sean Hannity today defended Sarah Palin's recent comments about Barack Obama's constitutional eligibility for the presidency and WND's pursuit of the story.
He said the question about his original, long-form birth certificate has still not been answered.
"What was so wrong in saying that, 'Can we see your birth certificate?' ... We were told early on that, in fact, somebody else had looked at it and confirmed that it was legitimate. So, I mean, what was wrong with people saying, 'Wait a minute. You know what? In light of the fact of where your, your father came from, et cetera, uh, let's just make sure that this is a legitimate birth certificate'? ... It was not asked by the mainstream media. It was asked by places like WorldNetDaily, who, I think, were just doing due diligence considering it's a constitutional mandate. ... I think a lot of people were just afraid to ask the question."
Last week, Palin, the former Alaska governor and vice-presidential candidate in 2008, said the public is "rightfully" asking questions about Obama's eligibility.
"Would you make the birth certificate an issue if you ran?" Palin was asked in an interview on the Rusty Humphries national radio show.
"I think the public rightfully is still making it an issue. I don't have a problem with that. I don't know if I would have to bother to make it an issue, because I think that members of the electorate still want answers," she replied.
Humphries asked: "Do you think it's a fair question to be looking at?"
"I think it's a fair question, just like I think past association and past voting records – all of that is fair game," Palin said. "The McCain-Palin campaign didn't do a good enough job in that area."
Palin said it was legitimate to question Obama's eligibility, referring to "the weird conspiracy theory freaky thing that people talk about that Trig isn't my real son – 'You need to produce his birth certificate, you need to prove that he's your kid,' which we have done.
After Humphries' interview, however, Palin posted a message on her Facebook page under the banner "Stupid conspiracies," clarifying that she has not and will not press the issue of the president's eligibility.
"Voters have every right to ask candidates for information if they so choose. I've pointed out that it was seemingly fair game during the 2008 election for many on the left to badger my doctor and lawyer for proof that Trig is in fact my child. Conspiracy-minded reporters and voters had a right to ask ... which they have repeatedly," she wrote.
"But at no point – not during the campaign, and not during recent interviews – have I asked the president to produce his birth certificate or suggested that he was not born in the United States."
________________________________________
Can you say 'it's about time Fox got involved?'
Was Hannity's comment on TV or radio? As far as I'm concerned he only gave it a glancing lip service. Nothing substantial or meaningful. Where are the investigative journalists? Are we all crazy or is this a vast conspiracy to cover up the biggest scandal in U.S. history and we are all doomed?Quote:
Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan
I wish I was crazy and this was all nothing more than a schizophrenic experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasBorn
Here, here!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by cayla99
It feels like some kind of weird "Twilight Zone" story. I wish I would wake up and this was all a bad dream.