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    Ron Paul Supporters Are Really Pissed That Rand Paul Endorsed Mitt Romney

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    Jun. 9, 2012, 6:56 PM


    Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul broke ranks with his father's political army this week and endorsed Mitt Romney as the Republican Party presidential nominee, setting off a firestorm of outrage in the Ron Paul Universe.

    Here's a sampling of the reactions from around the Internet:


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    As the comments suggest, Sen. Paul's endorsement appears to have seriously damaged his credibility within the Movement — at least among its most hardcore activists. The virulent backlash indicates that the endorsement could have harmful political ramifications for the Kentucky Senator, raising doubts about his ability to unite his father's grassroots army with more mainstream elements of the Republican Party base.


    "I think Rand Paul believed he could build from his father's base," said Brian Doherty, a journalist who has been covering the Ron Paul Revolution since the late 1990s. "But I think he has probably found in the last 24 hours that this might prove more difficult than he expected."

    But Doherty told Business Insider that he was not completely surprised that Sen. Paul opted to endorse Romney. Unlike his father, Paul has frequently shown a willingness to work with the GOP Establishment, and has previously indicated that he planned on getting behind whoever his party picked as the nominee.

    "There are a lot of Ron Paul people who like to think of themselves as a ragtag rebel army," Doherty said. "But Rand Paul is clearly positioning himself to play the part of the loyal opposition in the Republican Party. Emphasis on loyal."

    What was surprising about the endorsement, Doherty said, was its timing.

    Although Ron Paul has admitted he is no chance of winning the GOP nomination, he is still technically running for president and announced earlier this week that he expects to have 200 bound delegates at the Republican National Convention this summer. Moreover, his campaign is still encouraging supporters to try to get elected as national delegates at state and local party conventions.

    "It seems like a gratuitous kick in the face to his father's most ardent supporters," Doherty said, adding that the endorsement seems to indicate that "Rand Paul might have less respect for the grassroots movement than he ought to."

    It's possible, however, that Rand Paul knew he was going to piss off his father's die-hard fans — he just didn't care.

    "There's a lot more to the movement than the hard-core fanatics," Doherty said. "There are a lot of people who voted for Ron Paul [in the primaries] who are not writing angry things about Rand Paul on the Internet today."

    And Rand Paul's comments during his endorsement Thursday suggest that he was at least aware of the people he was betraying:

    "My dad has a legion of young followers who are on the Internet, and they think they rule the Internet," Paul told Fox News host Sean Hannity. "Maybe they do and maybe they don't."

    Hindsight may show that these remarks underscored some serious political hubris. Rand Paul's political clout depends, in part, on his ability to rally these grassroots Internet activists, and get them to make noise and moneybombs.

    Even if he has decided that he can give up on the most hard-core fanatics, his support for Romney threatens to hurt his credibility within the broader Liberty Movement, particularly among those who see Romney's hawkish foreign policy positions — and Bush-era national security advisors — as anathema to the movement's principles.

    Still, Rand Paul's endorsement does have some obvious political benefits, at least in the short-term. Already, the endorsement has raised the Kentucky Senator's national media profile, and sparked speculation about a possible VP nod. At Friday's Conservative Political Action Conference in Chicago, Sen. Paul came in fourth place in the vice presidential straw poll with 8% of the vote, coming in one point behind House Budget Chair Paul Ryan.

    When asked about a possible V.P. run yesterday, Sen. Paul told CNN "it would be a great honor to be considered."

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    The BIG Win that came out of this weekend!

    Submitted by The_Winds_of_Change on Sun, 06/10/2012 - 23:56
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    Drudgereport:

    Read more: Ron Paul Supporters Are Totally Pissed About Rand Paul's Endorsement Of Mitt Romney - Business Insider

    There are those who think what happened this weekend was a disaster for this movement. But my take is just the opposite. We as a whole did not waver or compromise, and that is what is being reported as news tonight.

    The entire Businessinsider article is a big win for us. It made it very clear to all that the Liberty Movement will NOT blindly support Mitt Romney as Rand Paul has done.

    I guarantee you the GOP was watching to see what our reaction would be. And they should be good and scared about the results they’ve gathered from this weekend.

    I’m so proud of everyone, not only on this site but everywhere else on the internet (many sites) who voiced their outrage over Rand’s decision to support Romney. Or what we would be reading as headlines tonight would be more like “Rand supports Romney, Ron Paul supporters ready to follow”

    So think about what was accomplished here this weekend. We won this round for the movement.

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    Lawyers for Ron Paul Ask Delegates to Join the Federal Law Suit Being Filed Today


    Submitted by GingerTaylor on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 00:10
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    If you are a delegate or an alternate, they ask you to please join the suit.



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    Ron Paul will win if we influence 644 delegates!

    Submitted by We the People on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 00:33
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    644 people is not very many.

    Ron Paul says that he expects to have 500 delegates and 1144 are needed to win. 1144 - 500 = 644.

    All we have to do is educate these delegates on both Mitt Romney and Ron Paul. That's not too hard is it? Especially given the fact that Obama agrees with Mitt Romney!

    "I agree with Mitt Romney." - President Barack Obama, on government mandates

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    actually ...

    1. RMoney A.K.A. Mittens will not have the 1144 Delegates needed to lock up the Nomination

    2. Delegates are not bound to any politician

    3. Round 2 at a Brokered convention and all bets are off

    Go Ron Paul!!!!




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    Lawsuit being filed in Federal Court by Lawyers For Ron Paul on behalf of American voters.

    Here is the Lawsuit FAQ in PDF format.


    http://www.toolsforjustice.com/LFRP_....6.10.2012.pdf
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    Election Fraud Lawsuit in the works, Need Your HELP!

    Submitted by chris_ciwi on Tue, 06/05/2012 - 19:12
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    Dear fellow members of WatchTheVote2012,

    Are you FED UP with the fraud of the GOP in this election??

    …Become informed of a LAWSUIT BEING FILED soon in federal court - CIVIL RIGHTS AND VOTER FRAUD VIOLATIONS.

    A group of attorneys have come together – “LAWYERS FOR RON PAUL” (https://www.facebook.com/groups/188334154612254/) and will be on a huge conference call on Wednesday 06/06/2012 @ 7:00 pm (PST) / 10:00 pm (EST), to explain this “Heart-Pounding” event.

    These attorneys have expressed that without this lawsuit, Ron Paul will NOT be able to win the nomination at the Tampa GOP National Convention in August because the election is so wrongly rigged for Romney. Adding further, the attorney spokesman said, “There is no chance of Ron Paul winning the election without the lawsuit.”

    The core-team members of “Watch the Vote 2012” are asking other WTV members to attend this conference call. Why?

    LAWYERS FOR RON PAUL needs assistance in finding more “Injured Parties”, anyone who is a victim of election fraud, witnessed election fraud, and ALL Ron Paul delegates.

    Right now there are over 60 testimonies from Arizona alone. People from 10 states have already submitted their “Testimonies” of election fraud. More are needed.

    We need the help of Watchthevote2012 members to perform a “Manhunt” to find injured parties for submitting “Testimonies” to include in the lawsuit. These “Testimonials” can arise from huge violations to even small testimonies smelling of fraud.

    We are also seeking voters and Ron Paul Delegates of any level.

    (Due to the fraud that has occurred at the conventions, ALL Ron Paul Delegates are injured parties.)

    This is a “Manhunt” that will make history!!! It is a “hands-on” effort you can help with so please join us!! We, at the WTV core team, are beyond excited after Monday night’s conference call with LAWYERS FOR RON PAUL.

    Please come to the conference call Wednesday night @ 7:00 pm (PST), 8:00 (MST), 9:00 (CST), 10:00 (EST) and become informed on how you can help!!! Join us in helping Ron Paul win this!!!!

    The conference call number is: 805-399-1200 Pin: 412531#

    CHECK IT OUT ON Facebook with “LAWYERS FOR RON PAUL.”

    Testimonies can be submitted at: www.electionfraudremedy.com


    For Liberty and Justice, The WTV Core Team

    Updated 6/7/2012

    The legal team is Hope Henley, Jerry Davis, David Callihan, Richard Gilbert who is the actual lawyer filing the case.

    UNDERSTAND THIS: THE GOP, RON PAUL, AND ROMNEY STAFF ARE AWARE OF THIS LAWSUIT, THIS HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR MONTHS NOW.

    Many of us listened to the incredibly thorough conference call last night and learned about the lawsuit that is being filed on MONDAY. For those who missed the call, I urge you to learn about what is happening right now.

    Lawyers are working for our cause - without pay - to get a federal COURT ORDER to ORDER the RNC to allow delegates to vote freely. It is illegal to bind delegates. This IS a fact.

    They are filing Monday, and a 9th Circuit judge is extremely likely to rule that all delegates MUST be unbound according to federal law. This has nothing to do with Rule 38 or any hypothetical situation. It is a matter of FEDERAL LAW and the RNC is VERY MUCH subject to it. The lawyers on the call assured us that THIS COURT ORDER WILL BE DONE BEFORE THE CONVENTION.

    Anyone and EVERYONE who had an experience or witnessed election fraud or intimidation of ANY kind - AND - ALL delegates - even those that are currently considered BOUND need to sign on as a plaintive by submitting their account to the secure website. The legal team will prepare your legal affidavit based on the testimony that you have entered - along with any evidence you may have.

    If you are worried about the implications of being named in the suit – i.e. becoming a target and systematically removed from delegation - ask someone in the group to explain to you how you are MORE protected if you are involved in the suit then if you weren’t. There is a long and lengthy legal explanation for how that works.

    It is also possible that the judge will order a reversal of some of the damage already done, time permitting, if there is enough compelling testimony and evidence to the events.

    As I understand it, EVERY delegate who has attended these conventions has suffered ‘damage’ under the law, again, long and lengthy explanation better answered by someone in the group.

    So, here is what you need to do:

    1. Join the facebook group and ask questions if you have them: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1883...12254/members/

    2. Go to this site NOW and enter your evidence to the appropriate state in which the issue took place, along with your contact information, so the attorneys can contact you if the need arises!! * Please utilize and add to the "RESOURCES Vote Fraud - What You Can Do!" File - Enter your testimony or witness account under your state, you will need to ‘join’ the site to do this. Here, all the testimony is being reviewed by a legal team and followed up on – they will put your testimony into affidavit form for legal purposes.

    Enforce Your Legal Remedy for Election Fraud Violations

    3. All others that have not been involved directly – SPREAD THE WORD, time is short!!

    This is the first of MANY lawsuits that will be filed as a results of these violations at every level of this election cycle. BUT THIS is the MOST critical as it will directly affect the Convention in August.

    One of the greatest things any of us can do for this movement RIGHT NOW is to support the class action lawsuit currently being filed – the other is to urge ALL delegates at upcoming conventions to ATTEND and GET ELECTED.

    We have been duped for far too long and the truth is now coming out.

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    Public Delegate Lists +Texas Ron Paul video and Super Brochure=Win In Tampa

    Submitted by karenabcde on Sun, 06/10/2012 - 23:52
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    Remember how the lady in Texas heard Ron Paul for the first time and started crying saying she was "duped"? We have to "get to" the Romney, Gingrich, Santorum, Huntsman, and Bachmann delegates

    BEFORE TAMPA...here's how:

    l. a lot of states post their delegates--we get their names from the posted list. We get their addresses any way possible...peopledata.com is good source for homeowners.

    2. We send them a superbrochure and a video link to Ron Paul's Texas speech....

    3. We call them and follow up or stop by and canvas them.

    We will convert a certain percent.

    Please help us gather a list of delegate links for states that post their delegate names.

    Here's the link to California delegates which includes the Romney delegates! How great is this?

    http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/2012...-delegates.pdf

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    Rick Santorum says he is going to silence Ron Paul people at convention!

    Submitted by NaturalOrder on Sun, 06/10/2012 - 20:29
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    Since Rick Santorum had dropped out of the race a few weeks ago, it has been wonderful. I no longer had to see or hear him, it was like a vacation. Well, he is back, this time saying that he is going to make sure that he stomps out the heart of true liberty at the GOP convention.

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