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12-12-2007, 10:37 PM #91Originally Posted by jabwocky
Yes, he modeled his campaign immigration platform around Mark Krikorian's positions, but then he added Visa Expansions, expedited entry, and the leave and quickly return touch back provision. These items are NOT FROM KRIKORIAN and nullify almost all of Krikorian's suggested enforcement provisions.
This is a trick we saw the Open Borders lobby attempt out of DC earlier this year. They took a bill and filled it with enforcement promises that the elites might or might not enforce and then worked in the dressed up amnesties that remove the need for enforcement against the 12-20 million illegal aliens currently in the US.
They are trying to arrange the game so that their side wins no matter which party you chose after the Primary. Huckabee is their new man up front after McCain and Guilliani hit the illegal immigration wall and their numbers fell.
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12-12-2007, 10:43 PM #92
Re: Mike Huckabee
Originally Posted by Mason
Huckabee's campaign added visa expansions, expedited entry, and the touch back Pence plan that we have seen before earlier this year. Those that were pushing the failed amnesty bills tried to spring this on us before.
If Huckabee is on board with this plan then he is showing that he is willing to trick and decieve the nation. If the illegals line up, sign up, walk out for a few hours or a day, and walk back in saying hey "I'm legal and on the path to citizenship" then they will be VOTERS within a few years and millions of more illegal aliens will be on their way to America because the worst that could happen to them in their eyes one day is someone may charge them a fine and make them skip across the Mexican border one afternoon to pick up their new ID card.
All of your proposed resolutions on the county level will be rendered useless and mute.
All of your illegal aliens in your county will become untouchable by ICE unless they murder someone once they sign up under Huckabee's plan.
All of your illegal aliens will be gone for a day and back to stay.
All of your illegal aliens will vote for elected officials and and proposals in the future that are 180% different than your attempted restrictions and that are in favor of La Raza.
It is unlikely that there will be any chance at a peaceful and political resolution to stop the next wave of millions that will follow with the way paved by the first 20 million anchored in under the Huckabee plan.
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12-12-2007, 10:49 PM #93
Re: Mr. Bill Goes to Iowa
Originally Posted by Mason
He was one of only two GOP Candidates at the Univision debates that promised a "path to citizenship" for the illegal aliens.
Why don't you contact them Mason and ask them how fast the illegal aliens will be able to cross back into American territory.
Then you look at every enforcement promise Huckabee is making and ask if any of those provisions would then apply to the former illegal aliens and the answer is NO.
This is not a case of us being picky about small details.
This Huckabee thing is a 1st class Open Borders Lobby con job and if we don't put a stop to it we are screwed and the public will be told they can pick a Dem or Rep and the AMNESTY will still happen.
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12-13-2007, 12:33 AM #94
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DO NOT LET HUCKABEE PULL THE WOOL OVER YOUR EYES
Mason:
You have a point in saying : "Without the conservative Christian right, a Republican will not be elected. Face it, the only way to stop the open door is with a GOP president (GW Bush excluded)."
But that is just the point. I liken Huckabee to George Bush. To me they are both big business Republicans pandering to special interests. And 4 more years of another Bush-like President is something that will wipe the economy of America off this map. Terrorists know our Southern border is open also, just like the rest of the world. They also know that we throw our own US border guards in solitary for shooting at agents out to destroy us.
The conservative Christian right is presently grabbing at straws, and I don't blame them, but they will soon be forced to come down to earth. They know that it takes Independents to win an election and Huckabee is not electable because the more you know about him and his past actions the more you shrink away in disgust.
Wasn't it the conservative christian right who put Bush in and isn't it the conservative christian right who now regrets this as much as anyone else?
In a way, I wish Tancredo would run as an independent, except that that risks fracturing the Republican party right in two and then nobody wins except either Hilary or Obama. It is only through such fracture, in fact that the Republicans will loose.
Mitt Romney is an intelligent, clean man, who aside from Tancredo is as honest as you will get. Lou Dobbs is probably better than the lot of them, but will not run. Romney, a galvanizing man, will win and moreover Romney will be the only candidate that can defeat Hilary (or Obama) in 2008. Romney will be a Democratic nightmare, Huckabee a Democratic dream.
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12-13-2007, 12:39 AM #95AprilGuestOriginally Posted by JAK
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12-13-2007, 01:45 AM #96
RINO or Liberal?
IT IS BETTER to have a Democrat in the White House (with a Republican Congress) than to have another open-border RINO in the White House in 2008.
Why?
Because it will finally force each party to take two, separate, CLEAR positions on immigration.
The Dem president will shout "Amnesty now!" and almost by instinct, the Republican House/Senate will shout "Enforcement now!" And finally the public will have a choice.
If we allow the McCain-Giuliani crowd to run the GOP, there will continue to be four more years of mass confusion on the issue, the public will not know which party supports illegal aliens, and it will continue to be impossible to create a consensus.
Point in fact, many Californians believe that the Republicans want amnesty and that electing a Democrat would result in border security! Even though everyone there understands that open borders are destroying that state, the politics on this issue have been too confusing for voters living far away from Washington.
So unless we elect Hunter-Dobbs-Tancredo-Thompson, etc., we're in for more of the same. It would be better to have a Dem in the White House.
Perhaps we need to start an "Immigration Pledge" that will keep the ultimate winner on track.
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12-13-2007, 01:52 AM #97
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William and I don't have a horse in this race.
Pat Robertson supports former Mayor Rudy Giuliani.
Jim Gilchrist supports Gov. Mike Huckabee.
William and I don't have a horse in this race.
If I believed in the Global Warming religion (which I oppose), I would be looking for real estate on the Antarctic Peninsula around Jan., 2009. I think I could learn to like an all-fish diet, plus some home-grown vegetables.
God save these United States.One man's terrorist is another man's undocumented worker.
Unless we enforce laws against illegal aliens today,
tomorrow WE may wake up as illegals.
The last word: illegal aliens are ILLEGAL!
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12-13-2007, 01:58 AM #98
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Originally Posted by usanevada
Jim Gilchrist speaks on behalf of Gov. Huckabee only for himself, not for the Minutemen. I know of no other Minuteman who supports Gov. Huckabee.One man's terrorist is another man's undocumented worker.
Unless we enforce laws against illegal aliens today,
tomorrow WE may wake up as illegals.
The last word: illegal aliens are ILLEGAL!
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12-13-2007, 02:19 AM #99
Re: DO NOT LET HUCKABEE PULL THE WOOL OVER YOUR EYES
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12-13-2007, 03:24 AM #100
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