Thread: Americans against the wall??

I've heard the Israeli analogy multiple times, but it is really not the same thing. The wall will not do for us what it did for the Israelis. So I disagree.

The point of having a physical wall is the same though, which is to help regulate the flow of incoming immigrants.
Its pretty obvious to all us that NOT having a wall doesn't work, so how could the opposite not also work?
I do not want the wall to keep them entirely out, but if the wall is build and we can control who enters and exits, this would be the ultimate outcome of the wall, and it would work.

Originally Posted by Alia_of_the_knife

I want illegal immigration reigned in, but I definitely don't want the wall.

First of all, the wall scheduled to be built is only half a wall. Why would anywone think foreigners would migrate to Mexico and be put off by half a wall to cross over??

Second of all, the wall will cost over 1 billion dollars in our tax dollars.

Third of all, the only reason the government is "giving in" and building the wall is because it will not affect businesses, who will still have access to illegal labor.

So, yeah, there are a lot of us who are sick and tired of illegal immigration but do NOT believe in a partial wall that is meant to placate the anti-illegal immigration lobby. The half wall is an amazingly idiotic barrier to a people who eat cactus for Pete's sake!

The wall has worked in San Diego and it shall be a beneifit to the Border Patrol.
Of course the wall will not stop all crossers but it is just one more tool the Border patrol needs to stop the Drug/coyotes runners from just operating at their own free will. As it is now we have little control of this border and that must change.

Originally Posted by sippy

Its pretty obvious to all us that NOT having a wall doesn't work, so how could the opposite not also work?

You realize, I hope, that you are assuming that the absence of a wall is the root of your problem. It's that assumption which we are disagreeing on.

Originally Posted by Rockfish

odiesback wrote:

There are areas along the border that have
unforgiving terrain and would be very costly to have a fence there
and even more costly for someone to try to cross it.

I say if they can build interstates across mountain ranges, then they can build fences there too. This is just another excuse. If the will was there, it would get done.

Totally agree America has the ability to put a stop to this in a very short time. If we really wanted a wall it could be built very fast, I would venture to say some people would even volunteer to provide labor and materials. Our only problem really is the people running this Government now.

Originally Posted by Alia_of_the_knife

Originally Posted by sippy

Its pretty obvious to all us that NOT having a wall doesn't work, so how could the opposite not also work?

You realize, I hope, that you are assuming that the absence of a wall is the root of your problem. It's that assumption which we are disagreeing on.

We will never stop all Illegal Immigration into this country ever. The wall provides security for the Border Patrol and it will slow down the amount of illegal aliens entering.

We don't need a wall, even thought we could build it to the moon if we really wanted to. But we don't need a wall, a fence, cameras, nothing.

What we need is the government to go after the employers BIG TIME. Then the illegals would go home in a flash.

Rockfish wrote:

We don't need a wall, even thought we could build it to the moon if we really wanted to. But we don't need a wall, a fence, cameras, nothing.

The drug cartels, Mexican government, open borders crowd, pro-illegal immigrants activist, and potential terrorist will be glad to hear that. They're really sweating the possibility of fencing along the borders.

a lot of people have been conditioned by the constant repetition in the mainstream press that the American "Berlin Wall" will not work... but nobody ever explains why that would be the case since the Berlin wall did the job perfectly for 25 years.... with at the most 200 successful crossings per year.... that's a damn good record.... and only 200 casualties over 25 years...

Originally Posted by Rockfish

We don't need a wall, even thought we could build it to the moon if we really wanted to. But we don't need a wall, a fence, cameras, nothing.

What we need is the government to go after the employers BIG TIME. Then the illegals would go home in a flash.

Sorry to tell you Rockfish, but we need everything you say, and the wall. We need the wall because drug smugglers, assassins, thieves, rapers, don't look for jobs, they come just to committ their crimes. Without a wall, we will have those kind of elements coming in. Think about that. I also think that even with the wall, they will find their way in, but with the wall it would be a little more difficult.

Originally Posted by Rockfish

We don't need a wall, even thought we could build it to the moon if we really wanted to. But we don't need a wall, a fence, cameras, nothing.

What we need is the government to go after the employers BIG TIME. Then the illegals would go home in a flash.

San Diego, CA most defiently needed a wall and it has worked perfectly. Well actually we need sysmographic equipment to find all of the tunnels now. I am sure there are other places along the southern border where a wall will provide safety for the community.
Thats like saying gated communities should remove all of their fences.

It sure would be nice if the Mexican government weren't such crocks. Really then we would not need a fence. I'm always amazed at how the true problem is never discussed on the News.