Thread: America's Majority?

PhredE-Yes the Liberterians are for absolutely no borders and no government interference. We have quite a few up here in New Hampshire and while I am all for limited government involvement in our lives, I am not a Liberterian. There is a Liberterian newspaper up here and one woman wrote a letter saying the only reason that she was against amnesty and the ONLY reason was because if amesty were granted, it would be admitting that these people had broken a law in the first place. Also a few years ago a Liberterian who won a state position was booted out of office after his website was discovered and he promoted complete anarchy and murder of law enforcement.

It is at the same time weird and refreshing that people who are totally opposite on every other issue, can come together to help save our country in the fight against illegal invaders.

Nicole ...(another thanks)

patbrunz - Ah, yes, that's another good point - just because some people in certain can align themselves philosophically in unexpected combinations certainly does not mean that there are tendencies or even majorities within those groups of people that have biases one way or another.
I also agree that more conservatives are more likely to be of like mind as us, and that, more liberals are more likely to be sympathetic to the OBL view of the world. It's the sub-groups (eg. dissenters) within those larger groups I find to be the most interesting...

patbrunz,

It is so disgusting when they refuse to distinguish between illegal aliens and legal immigrants, isn't it? That makes me so angry

I know-hubby and I both work with those liberal OBL types. They drive us crazy!

I do agree, that in general, real conservatives are for fighting to secure the border more than liberals do. It is just refreshing to me that people of all political persuasions want to save our country from invasion.

It has been interesting to see the evolution of this fight. I only joined ALIPAC in May, but have been following the illegal problem and the NAFTA Free Trade issue since the 90's when I first watched Pat B. When I would speak to people back then about illegal aliens, I was a right wing nut job, racist, etc. I would call my elected officials and they would blow me off. I seldom received a letter back from them either. Newspapers seldom ever printed my letters. It is just refreshing to have people of all political persuasions now in the fight. It is a big difference from 10 years ago when I felt like other than Pat Buchanan only me and my hubby cared.

Nicole

Originally Posted by PhredE

There are Progressive Democrats, Green Party(ers), Socialists, etc. that will NOT support amnesty nor the importation of greater workers with the knowledge that the US working AND middle classes are suffering while the rich and ultra-rich, are cashing-in at our expense.

Doesn't Ralph Nader even fall under this category?

This is an interesting topic, and I hope ALL are listening......unfortunately most Americans believe that the Republican Party is the patriotic party, and the Democratic Party is the traitorous party......some even on this site......I think some people have some kind of senitimental attachment to the Republican Party, and believe they will still save the day.

I am a former Republican, but my patriotic views have NEVER waivered....I have just come to see the Republican party for what it is -- the party for the wealthy. And in many instances that includes selling out our middle class to the Third World.....oh and I HATE libertarians....with a few exceptions of course.

Of course the Democratic Party has sold out to multi-culturalism and I will never forgive them for that. But one just needs to look back into history to see that the Democratic Party has a good tradition and some really great presidents.....almost all Reps would credit Reagan for winning the Cold War. But I would give most of the credit to Harry Truman, and JFK, BOTH Democrats. The party began with great men like Thomas Jefferson, and was opposed to the elitist ideals of the Federalists. The backbone of the Republican Party, the South, was strongly held by Democrats for the vast majority of this nation's history. I would say they were a very good party all the way up until 1972, when the liberals took over....when they flip-flopped from a party of strong national defense to a pacifist party....it USED to be that the Reps were the isolationist party (Ron Paul refers to this A LOT in the debates). That is also when the Dems began pandering to radical feminism, multiculturalism etc. They turned their backs on the cultural conservatives in the South, and the Reps were there to pick them up.

Most Republicans IMO are mainly social conservatives, who go along with the rest of the partie's ideals because long ago they fell in love with their
culturally conservative rhetoric. But that is all that it is RHETORIC. Like Jack Caffery said to Lou Dobbs yeasterday, the only thing separating the two parties are wedge issues, like flag burning, gay marriage, and abortion....issues neither party cares about legislating. The Republican Party is an elitist party that plays on the social conservative thing, wraps themselves in the flag, to win votes...but it is only the business lobbies who pay their salaries that they care about, and legislate in favor of.....the Democratic Party as well has been increasingly bought off by corporations, leaving the American people NO choice at the polls.

IMO, most people just need to get a better historical perspective on the situation, and need to realise when they have been hood-winked. We need a new party in this country, because NEITHER even remotely has our best interests. IMO most Americans want the same things that neither party is adressing. We are by and large a socially conservative nation, and an economically populist nation. Which I believe explains the popularity of Lou Dobbs -- who is the only public figure i can think of who articulates all of my views.

Well, this open borders group certainly does NOT represent the majority of American's views on this issue. They are engaging in a full scale assault to defame those of us who do represent the majority of citizen's views on this issue -- who are against amnesty and pro real border security. We can't let these open borders, cheap labor shills frame the debate improperly and get away with their anti-American nonsense.


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Call the Senate: NO AgJOBS or Dream Act Amnesties !

I did a little research and found this:

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/read ... 448&Disp=1

". . . Last night I heard the biggest propaganda piece to come down the pike! It was put out by America's Majority, Richard Nadler, also former Political Director of the front group Republican Leadership Coalition – which made Public Citizen's 2002 list of "shadowy" 527 organizations.

I thought the ad was a parody, it was so blatantly incorrect. They said the majority polled (their own internal poll that defies all others!) want amnesty......democrats, independents, republicans....and by golly, talk radio has distorted the truth about the public opinion!"

Who's this Nadler guy and who is the Republican Leadership Coalition?

patbrunz:

Hi there.

Re:

they said the majority polled (their own internal poll that defies all others!) want amnesty

Any organization that publishes 'poll results' and won't disclose - in intimate detail - facets such as: sampling strategy, contact method, numbers / nature of the question asked, population of potential recipients, and, most importantly, the raw data - and not a summary of the presumed results - you can patently disregard. No reputable polling organization that wanted to remain in business would ever do such shoddy work. You have my permission to simply press the 'flush' lever on this poll (if you need it).

Originally Posted by BearFlagRepublic

I am a former Republican, but my patriotic views have NEVER waivered....I have just come to see the Republican party for what it is -- the party for the wealthy. And in many instances that includes selling out our middle class to the Third World.....oh and I HATE libertarians....with a few exceptions of course.

I used to be a Republican once...I agree with you that they are the party of the rich. Both the Republicans & the Democrats seem to work for the corporations. Neither party cares about this country. Later on I registered as a Libertarian but I've never liked their views on open borders...too many anarchists in that party. Bleh.

Originally Posted by BearFlagRepublic

Of course the Democratic Party has sold out to multi-culturalism and I will never forgive them for that...The party began with great men like Thomas Jefferson, and was opposed to the elitist ideals of the Federalists....

Yup

Originally Posted by BearFlagRepublic

IMO most Americans want the same things that neither party is adressing. We are by and large a socially conservative nation, and an economically populist nation. Which I believe explains the popularity of Lou Dobbs -- who is the only public figure i can think of who articulates all of my views.

I agree. How about the Patriot Party?

Originally Posted by John-Henry

I agree. How about the Patriot Party?

YES.......is this an actual party, or the same name for a proposed party that everyone (including myself) keeps throwing around?

Who's this Nadler guy and who is the Republican Leadership Coalition?