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    Born in the USA

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    Born in the USA
    TODAY'S COLUMNIST
    By Frederick Grab
    April 3, 2007




    I make no claim to a solution to the confounding issue of illegal immigration in this country. Others with far more at stake personally, better information and at least the potential power to do something about it have tried for years and failed to come up with one. But I believe that one aspect of the charged controversy -- the question of the American-born children of illegal aliens -- is considerably less problematic than it is made to appear.

    The 14th amendment to the U.S. Constitution, fully ratified in 1868 as one of the three "Civil War Amendments," provides that "all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" are U.S. citizens. Without recourse to legislative history, it seems obvious that the main purpose of this provision was to afford citizenship to former slaves emancipated by the previous amendment.

    It seems equally clear that it was never intended to legitimate the citizenship of children whose parents are this country illegally. Indeed, a rational argument can be made that such children are not actually subject to the jurisdiction of the United States due to the status of their parents: being in flagrant violation of an unenforced immigration law and living under false identities, it can be argued that the parents are not, as a matter of fact, under U.S. jurisdiction.

    This is not a strong position, however. If we desire to change this situation, it would appear that only an amendment or new Supreme Court interpretation could revise that standard to require that the birth mother be in the United States lawfully. So for the foreseeable future, we are faced with the unpleasant dilemma of the child-citizen whose illegal parents are being deported.

    To be sure, the prospect of children being wrenched from their parents is troubling. But what are the options open to these parents? First, it was their choice, not the children's or the U.S. government's decision, to enter this country in violation of U.S. law. If American citizen-parents violate the penal law and are sent to prison, the very same consequences apply: Their children must be cared for by friends, relatives or by the system.

    The same is true of parents who are killed or die in accidents. The immigrant parents had the option of attempting to enter this country legally, and the problems they face in this regard are of their own making.


    And what exactly are these consequences? The deported illegals, first of all, have the absolute right to take their children with them back to their countries of origin. The U.S. government is not breaking up the family: The choice to do so rests with the parents.

    The loss of local educational opportunities and friends is no different for children of citizens who relocate. I submit that the root of the immigration dilemma lies elsewhere and that the sad consequences for these children, as well as their deported parents, are real, sometimes tragic, but totally beside the point.


    When this country exploded into civil war in 1861, the popular focus was on slavery. But President Lincoln -- personally opposed to slavery -- wrote to Horace Greeley early in the war that his guiding principle was the preservation of the Union. And if he could do so "without freeing any slave... by freeing all the slaves... [or] by freeing some and leaving others alone," he stated that he would.


    Despite the passions raised now by the immigration issue on both sides of the debate, there seems to be little thought given to the values which underlie it, akin to Lincoln's commitment to the Union. We talk about jobs, national language and culture, historical inequities, crime, etc.

    But for those already in this country lawfully, these are really details, peripheral considerations. Instead, there appears to be something more central and fundamental -- akin to Lincoln's devotion to this great experiment called the United States -- which citizens inchoately rely upon as worth preserving and many see as threatened by runway immigration.


    Rather than hurling epithets at each other, both sides in the controversy might do better trying to clarify this core value and forming the debate around it. As every fund-raiser knows, the key to success lies with the children. We shouldn't be distracted by the unpleasant consequences of our immigration policy until we determine what exactly it is meant to preserve.

    Frederick Grab is a former California deputy attorney general.
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    And it has been debated in the passed, and the 14th Amendment is supposed to be there for the "American" people, and not to those who are non-citizens. Why don't these news reporters do their himework before they hit the keyboard. They want to force their opinion down your throat without backing, or opposing the issues at hand with the facts of history, or even Supreme Court decisions that should end these debates.


    "When this country exploded into civil war in 1861, the popular focus was on slavery."

    No it wasn't. It was States Rights that were at issue, but it has been turned into a "slavery issue" by those who would glorify Lincoln, the man who started this whole mess that has been dumped into our laps. All you have to do is read the letters that were sent to the legislaters, and the correspondences between the elected officials of the time.

    "President Lincoln -- personally opposed to slavery -- wrote to Horace Greeley early in the war that his guiding principle was the preservation of the Union. And if he could do so "without freeing any slave... by freeing all the slaves... [or] by freeing some and leaving others alone," he stated that he would."

    This is correct. What drove Lincoln was the preservation of the Union. And after the un-Civil War ended, guess what. The States, and States Rights, and We the People's Rights went down the tubes.

    They were replaced by Privelages. There is a huge difference between Privelages, and Rights. The 14th Amendment needs to be re-written, and worded so that everyone born here to Citizens, or Naturalized Immigrants, is afforded the same Rights and Protections by the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. Those who are born here of Foreign Nationals are not afforded those provisions since their parents are not of American Heritage, or Nationality. All other rules of the law do apply in the case of legal actions.

    This would remove the racist views that were built into the 14th Amendment. The Officials at that time couldn't bring themselves to raise the freed slaves to the level of the citizens, so with the 14th Amendment, they reduced everyone to same level, and made everyone subservient to the Federal Government. The States, and We the People. This turned everything topsy turvy. No longer was the Government accountable to the States, and the People, but instead, the States, and the People became the submissive of the Federal Government.

    And ever since then, it's been a downhill stretch.

    I know this is hard to swallow, but if you read the history very carefully, you will see for yourself.

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