Thread: Arguement to use against the illegal advocates

Currently, there are 193 recognized countries in the world. All 193 of those countries have established immigration policies. All 193 of those countries view illegal entry into their country as a crime. Therefore, all 193 countries take the stance that illegal immigration is not conducive to their well being. Nor is to be tolerated. The U.S. is one of those 193 countries. Should we not agree with 99.5% of the rest of the world?

Immigration is to be for the benefit of the country.....not for the immigrant. I mean please......don't you think throughout history....if" for the need of the poor" was the reson for immigration....we'd have had TONS of anchor babies.....there would be no need for immigration policies......just send us your poor....drop a baby,.....whatever... But it never was that way.....not until now...


I read in the paper everyday where someone needs help. It doesn't mean every person who applies gets the job. People wouldn't put it in the paper if that was the rule they had to abide by.....

People SCREEN people.....whether it be a job or a renter or anything....what they want to do is deny this country the right to screen who we take and who we don't.

How about the immigration laws of the country that is sending us the greatest number of illegals - Mexico? Mexico's immigration laws are very strict from what I understand. Perhaps we should make ours more like theirs?

Originally Posted by patbrunz

How about the immigration laws of the country that is sending us the greatest number of illegals - Mexico? Mexico's immigration laws are very strict from what I understand. Perhaps we should make ours more like theirs?

Mexico's Immigration Law: Let's Try It Here at Home
by J. Michael Waller
Posted: 05/08/2006

Mexico has a radical idea for a rational immigration policy that most Americans would love. However, Mexican officials haven’t been sharing that idea with us as they press for our Congress to adopt the McCain-Kennedy immigration reform bill.

That's too bad, because Mexico, which annually deports more illegal aliens than the United States does, has much to teach us about how it handles the immigration issue. Under Mexican law, it is a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico.

At a time when the Supreme Court and many politicians seek to bring American law in line with foreign legal norms, it’s noteworthy that nobody has argued that the U.S. look at how Mexico deals with immigration and what it might teach us about how best to solve our illegal immigration problem. Mexico has a single, streamlined law that ensures that foreign visitors and immigrants are:
ï‚· in the country legally;
ï‚· have the means to sustain themselves economically;
ï‚· not destined to be burdens on society;
ï‚· of economic and social benefit to society;
ï‚· of good character and have no criminal records; and
ï‚· contributors to the general well-being of the nation.
The law also ensures that:
ï‚· immigration authorities have a record of each foreign visitor;
ï‚· foreign visitors do not violate their visa status;
 foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country’s internal politics;
ï‚· foreign visitors who enter under false pretenses are imprisoned or deported;
ï‚· foreign visitors violating the terms of their entry are imprisoned or deported;
ï‚· those who aid in illegal immigration will be sent to prison.

Who could disagree with such a law? It makes perfect sense. The Mexican constitution strictly defines the rights of citizens -- and the denial of many fundamental rights to non-citizens, illegal and illegal. Under the constitution, the Ley General de Población, or General Law on Population, spells out specifically the country's immigration policy.
It is an interesting law -- and one that should cause us all to ask, Why is our great southern neighbor pushing us to water down our own immigration laws and policies, when its own immigration restrictions are the toughest on the continent? If a felony is a crime punishable by more than one year in prison, then Mexican law makes it a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico.

If the United States adopted such statutes, Mexico no doubt would denounce it as a manifestation of American racism and bigotry.

We looked at the immigration provisions of the Mexican constitution. [1] Now let's look at Mexico's main immigration law.

Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:
ï‚· Foreigners are admitted into Mexico "according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress." (Article 32)
ï‚· Immigration officials must "ensure" that "immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance" and for their dependents. (Article 34)
ï‚· Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets "the equilibrium of the national demographics," when foreigners are deemed detrimental to "economic or national interests," when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when "they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy." (Article 37)
ï‚· The Secretary of Governance may "suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest." (Article 3
Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:
ï‚· Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73)
ï‚· A National Population Registry keeps track of "every single individual who comprises the population of the country," and verifies each individual's identity. (Articles 85 and 86)
ï‚· A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).
Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:
ï‚· Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)
ï‚· Foreigners who sign government documents "with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses" are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)
Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:
ï‚· Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)
ï‚· Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 11
ï‚· Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121). Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico -- such as working with out a permit -- can also be imprisoned.
Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,
ï‚· "A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally." (Article 123)
ï‚· Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)
ï‚· Foreigners who "attempt against national sovereignty or security" will be deported. (Article 126)
Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:
ï‚· A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)
ï‚· Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)

All of the above runs contrary to what Mexican leaders are demanding of the United States. The stark contrast between Mexico's immigration practices versus its American
immigration preachings is telling. It gives a clear picture of the Mexican government's agenda: to have a one-way immigration relationship with the United States.

Let's call Mexico's bluff on its unwarranted interference in U.S. immigration policy. Let's propose, just to make a point, that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) member nations standardize their immigration laws by using Mexico's own law as a model.

This article was first posted at CenterforSecurityPolicy.org .


1. "Mexico's Glass House," Center for Security Policy Occasional Paper, April 3, 2006.

Dr. Waller is vice president for Information Operations at the Center for Security Policy. A journalist and author, he brings expertise in terrorism, intelligence, the former Soviet Union and the Americas. He previously served as a consultant to the U.S. Department of State.

Let's call Mexico's bluff on its unwarranted interference in U.S. immigration policy. Let's propose, just to make a point, that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) member nations standardize their immigration laws by using Mexico's own law as a model.

...I suggest we all contact our Senators and Congressmen and state we want the U.S. to adopt the same immigration policy as Mexico, since their policy serves them well. After all, our government's incompetence has enable the Mexican invaders to shape our policies, laws, economy, neighborhoods and culture. They are letting Mexico shape the U.S. in it's own image. Well, then it's damn time we adopt their IMMIGRATION policy too.

Originally Posted by zeezil

Let's call Mexico's bluff on its unwarranted interference in U.S. immigration policy. Let's propose, just to make a point, that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) member nations standardize their immigration laws by using Mexico's own law as a model.

...I suggest we all contact our Senators and Congressmen and state we want the U.S. to adopt the same immigration policy as Mexico, since their policy serves them well. After all, our government's incompetence has enable the Mexican invaders to shape our policies, laws, economy, neighborhoods and culture. They are letting Mexico shape the U.S. in it's own image. Well, then it's damn time we adopt their IMMIGRATION policy too.

I had the opportunity awhile back to talk with the Hispanic liaison who was instrumental in getting the Mexican consulate opened here. The topic of unbridled immigration into the US from Mexico came up, and I asked him how Mexicans would feel if the shoe was on the other foot. Shifty and disingenuous as he appeared to be, he admitted that was a very good point----and that Mexico wouldn't tolerate it.

Mexico’s Glass House
How the Mexican constitution treats foreign residents, workers and naturalized citizens
By J. Michael Waller·
http://centerforsecuritypolicy.org/home ... wsid=11942
Introduction
Every country has the right to restrict the quality and quantity of foreign immigrants entering or living within its borders. If American policymakers are looking for legal models on which to base new laws restricting immigration and expelling foreign lawbreakers, they have a handy guide: the Mexican constitution.1
Promulgated in 1917, the constitution of the United Mexican States borrows heavily from
American constitutional and legal principles. It combines those principles with a strong sense nationalism, cultural self-identity, paternalism, and state power. Mexico’s constitution contains many provisions to protect the country from foreigners, including foreigners legally resident in the country and even foreign-born people who have become naturalized Mexican citizens. The Mexican constitution segregates immigrants and naturalized citizens from native-born citizens by denying immigrants basic human rights that Mexican immigrants enjoy in the United States.
By making increasing demands that the U.S. not enforce its immigration laws and, indeed, that it liberalize them, Mexico is throwing stones within its own glass house. This paper, the first of a short series on Mexican immigration double-standards, examines the Mexican constitution’s protections against immigrants, and concludes with some questions about U.S. policy.

Summary
In brief, the Mexican Constitution states that:
• Immigrants and foreign visitors are banned from public political discourse.
• Immigrants and foreigners are denied certain basic property rights.
• Immigrants are denied equal employment rights.
• Immigrants and naturalized citizens will never be treated as real Mexican citizens.
• Immigrants and naturalized citizens are not to be trusted in public service.
• Immigrants and naturalized citizens may never become members of the clergy.
• Private citizens may make citizens arrests of lawbreakers (i.e., illegal immigrants)
and hand them to the authorities.
• Immigrants may be expelled from Mexico for any reason and without due process.
J. Michael Waller, Ph.D., is the Center for Security Policy’s Vice President for Information Operations.
1 The official text of the Constitution of Mexico appears on the Website of the Chamber of Deputies, or lower house of Congress, of the United Mexican States: http://www.cddhcu.gob.mx/leyinfo/txt/1.txt. An authoritative English translation of the Constitution of Mexico, published by the Organization of American States, appears on the Website of Illinois State University: http://www.ilstu.edu/class/hist263/docs/1917const.html. Quotations in this document arefrom the OAS translation.

The Mexican constitution: Unfriendly to immigrants

The Mexican constitution expressly forbids non-citizens to participate in the country’s political life. Non-citizens are forbidden to participate in demonstrations or express opinions in public about domestic politics. Article 9 states, “only citizens of the Republic may do so to take part in the political affairs of the country.â€

Yes, it is a very good argument. In fact, those that think our immigration laws are "racist," "xenophobic," or "isolationist" are the ones who live in a bubble and think everything revolves around this country. Those of us who understand immigration policy, understand that there are other nations in this world, we understand the issue more globally. We take into consideration the views and behaviors of other peoples.

Without question America's LEGAL immigration policy is the most liberal in the world. We let in more immigrants than the rest of the world COMBINED. If we are nativists and racists for wanting a regulated immigration policy, the rest of the world is Adolf Hitler.

I am sick of our generousity, openess, and kindness being used as a tool against us. We have to draw the line somewhere. We should not play by rules that go unheard of in the rest of the world. Same goes for trade. America is a nation, like all others. We should be playing by the same rules. A little reciprocity and balence is needed here.