Thread: The battle over illegal immigration will be won or lost with employers

Originally Posted by MW

As I explained to you in a previous thread, email address and telephone number are not required for E-Verify. As for American citizens, the information checked is already on file. It wasn't put together for E-Verify .... the information is already part of the databases checked. You're sadly mistaken if you think the E-Verify request gives information not already known by the feds. E-verify doesn't provide information to a database, the information is checked against active databases. I hope those black helicopters your hear in your dreams don't suddenly materialize over your house.

What about the databases the FBI uses to do gun background checks. Do you feel those databases are also used to cause you future harm?

Sigh, no the data is not already there or they wouldn't need E-Verify to begin with. It's also not cross-agency available which it is for the unfortunate souls who are already entangled in this E-Verify web.

The E-Verify process forces employers to enter all the data on their I-9 forms into the E-Verify system database which is then stored and cross-checked with SSA, but is also available to DHS, DOJ and any other agency they want to give access to. That data is not presently available and what information is available through SSA is not available to any other agency, so there is no existing database of this information. That's why ICE agents do employer audits at the work place.

I've always opposed federal gun background checks, gun registration and waiting periods. It's none of the federal government's business who has a gun or when they bought it. They can ask store dealers and sellers information as part of any type of an actual bona fide murder investigation or other gun-related crime, but otherwise, no federal government official should know who has a gun or guns and who doesn't.

It always tickles me how conservative authoritarians who care little or nothing about civil rights and spend their lives whining about big government and the expense of it think the massive government they built has "black helicopters". If the government has "black helicopters", I suggest they move them to the southern border to stop illegal immigration.

Originally Posted by MW

As for American citizens, the information checked is already on file. It wasn't put together for E-Verify .... the information is already part of the databases checked.

Then employers should be able to query DMV for verification of citizenship and ICE for verification of immigration/visa verification. We should not need a new government program to duplicate, and database information already out there.

Originally Posted by MW

You're sadly mistaken if you think the E-Verify request gives information not already known by the feds. E-verify doesn't provide information to a database, the information is checked against active databases.

You are sadly mistaken if you think the E-Verify request doesn't give information not already known by the feds. In addition to your citizen/immigration status, it tells them where you have worked, at least for the last three years. Now it is true the IRS most likely already has that information, but you also must know that IRS is supposed to keep all of that information confidential.

Originally Posted by MW

What about the databases the FBI uses to do gun background checks. Do you feel those databases are also used to cause you future harm?

There you go! The big objection is that government wants to know as much about you as they can. Your blood is no longer yours. They want a sample of that for their database.

You apparently forgot that the CIA just lost the authority to collect phone records. They justified monitoring phone calls as for security. The American people see it as spying on them. So courts ruled they could not do that. Of course, I'm sure you agree with James Clapper that it isn't "spying"! BUT IT IS!

Originally Posted by lorrie

If we want to end illegal immigration once and for all, however, it's clear that not only illegals, but also their enablers, need to face justice.

Isn't this what I've been saying all along? Yes, yes it is.

And by the way, good article.

Originally Posted by hattiecat

The construction industry is what brought and keeps a bulk of the illegals and their families here. Worksite enforcement on the construction jobs , with employers held accountable on a consistent basis , would do much to curb illegal alien employment .

Exactly. We need to target the source of the problem, which is the people who employ illegals.

Their ENABLERS are employers and our OWN State and Federal government!

Lock them up in general population with the gangs!