Thread: I'm in favor of deportation, but...

How is it that we can and do deport so many that keep coming back? Once they're deported, how can we keep them from returning?

http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/370235.html

Published: Nov 23, 2005 12:30 AM
Modified: Nov 23, 2005 05:17 AM


Oft-deported man charged in DWI
UNC-Charlotte student killed

Hernandez-Soto has been deported 17 times.

The Associated Press
A Mexican native charged in a drunken-driving wreck that killed a student of the University of North Carolina at Charlotte had been arrested previously on impaired driving charges and has been returned to Mexico 17 times, according to authorities.Jorge Humberto Hernandez-Soto was arrested on charges of impaired driving in Colorado and Tennessee; he has been deported from Tucson, Ariz., twice and once from El Paso, Texas, and was voluntarily sent back to Mexico another 14 times after being caught near the border, immigration officials said.

"We have no idea how he's getting back in" the country, said Jeff Jordan, assistant special agent in charge of North Carolina for the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency. Authorities said Hernandez-Soto, 35, has used other names than his real one.

Hernandez-Soto faces a second-degree murder charge in the death of Min Chang, 18, early Friday. Authorities have said he was driving a sport-utility vehicle at more than 100 mph the wrong way on Interstate 485 when he collided head-on with Chang's Nissan 350Z around 12:40 a.m.The state Highway Patrol said officers were signaling Hernandez-Soto to pull over from across a median when the wreck occurred.

In a hospital interview Saturday, Hernandez-Soto told The Charlotte Observer he drank six beers before Friday's wreck. He said he lived in Lake City, S.C., and planned to be in Charlotte just for the day, to pick up a Ford Expedition for a friend.

Hernandez-Soto was flung from the vehicle during the wreck, hitting his head and breaking an ankle. He is being held at the Mecklenburg County jail.

Immigration spokesman Tim Counts told the Observer that when Hernandez-Soto is released from custody, he will be deported.

In an earlier incident, an illegal immigrant was responsible for a July 16 wreck in coastal Brunswick County that killed a teacher from Gaston County.

Ramiro Gallegos, an illegal immigrant from Mexico with three previous driving while intoxicated convictions, was at the wheel of a truck that struck a car driven by Scott Gardner and carrying Gardner's family. Gardner's wife was seriously injured in the accident.

Responding to that incident, U.S. Rep. Sue Myrick, R-N.C., proposed legislation that would require the deportation of any undocumented immigrants convicted of drunken driving.

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Does this substantiate that a border fence is the best idea, because manpower alone can't keep fools like this out of the country?

The reason they keep coming back is because big corporations want them. The hands of our Border Patrol agents are mostly tied. We've learned the border can be secured, when citizens are watching.

W

And because the government wants them.

I'm not quite getting the big business connection?
These multiple deportees have only contributed mayhem to the country.

http://azstarnet.com/allheadlines/109058

Man freed before cops linked him to slaying
By Alexis Huicochea
ARIZONA DAILY STAR
Tucson, Arizona | Published: 12.29.2005
advertisementA 19-year-old man wanted in connection with the slaying of an ice-cream vendor was detained by police several weeks after the July 25 shooting, a detective said Wednesday.
But Felix Gaxiola-Flores hadn't been identified as a suspect in the death of vendor Cosme Encinas-Valenzuela at the time he was taken into custody by officers investigating a stolen vehicle at a South Side motel.
When another person was arrested in connection with the stolen vehicle, Gaxiola-Flores, a Mexican national, was released to the Border Patrol and sent back to Mexico.
He hasn't been seen since, Tucson police homicide Detective Fabian Pacheco said Wednesday.
Police say Gaxiola-Flores approached Encinas-Valenzuela while the latter was working at the Casa Grande Village Apartments, 5950 S. Park Ave.
"He went up to him, demanded money at gunpoint, and (Encinas-Valenzuela) refused," Pacheco said.
Encinas-Valenzuela was then shot to death.
The investigation led police to Gaxiola-Flores, who is now wanted on a first-degree-murder warrant.
Police have learned that Gaxiola-Flores had come to the United States about 13 times illegally and was voluntarily returned each time, Pacheco said.
He is known to steal cars and is involved in drug activity, he said.
Anyone with information on Gaxiola-Flores' whereabouts is asked to call 911 or 88-CRIME. The suspect should be considered armed and dangerous, police said.

Big business wants cheap labor and to expand the consumer markets. You can prop up the economy in the short term by flooding the country with more people that need food, shelter, vehicles, and other consumer goods.

Big business has the Bush administration under their thumb.

That is why the US Border Patrol is "Catching and Releasing" illegal aliens instead of turning them back.

That is why Immigration and Customs Enforcement has stopped fining employers they bust hiring illegal aliens.

That is why almost every bank is advertising in Spanish.

That's my opinion.

W

"We have no idea how he's getting back in" the country, said Jeff Jordan, assistant special agent in charge of North Carolina for the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency.

Maybe we should hire someone who has a clue.

I get all that William, but deportation appears to be a failure when that is what I want them to do. Once deported, a person isn't supposed to be able to return.

"That is why the US Border Patrol is "Catching and Releasing" illegal aliens instead of turning them back."

Turning them back is like deportation. They just come over again.

Mapwife:

Our plan is simple. Enforce and strengthen our existing immigration laws.

We need to

1. Secure the Border and the Minutemen proved that could be done.
2. Remove all benefits and incentives and welfare that attract illegals to the US.
3. Crack down on employers that hire illegal labor.
4. Enable our local and state police to deport illegals apprehended for crimes including driving without a license and DWI while in the US illegally.

It's like building a chair. A chair without 4 legs is not a chair.

If we do these four things, then millions of illegal aliens will leave the US on their own. We call this auto-deport or auto-repatriation.

For the rest, we will have a shrinking population of illegal aliens.

Once the border is secured and illegals that have been in the states for years are returned home with a message to their home communities that their illegal methods DID NOT pay off then we can get out of these woods.

Only be reversing the polarity of the flow across our border can we rectify this situation.

Anything else only means more and more illegal immigrants in the US.

W

mapwife--the reason that big business does not want to see this invasion stopped can be explained with one word--GREED.

Deporting them right now DOES seem like an exercise in futility BUT all of the other steps have to be taken along WITH deportation for it to work. NO ONE STEP will solve the problem. It is going to take a coordinated effort to insure that there will be no way nor REASON for them to continue to break the law and come BACK. It's a multi-step approach that WILL WORK.